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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 11:24 AM
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Please define Us and Them. Who exactly is the enemy?
I think the real enemy is ignorance, and also perhaps war.

A positively inspiring article on/of education, and peace: Louise Richardson:
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Us and them

By Jennie Erdal

Published: March 7 2009 02:00 | Last updated: March 7 2009 02:00

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Everywhere Richardson went, people seemed to be asking the same question: which single book should we read to get a handle on terrorism? There wasn't one. And so Richardson wrote What Terrorists Want - a freethinking examination, informed by three decades of research, of this complex subject. It was her counterblast - if it's possible to have a peaceful, measured counterblast - to what she calls America's "absolutely catastrophic" response to September 11. Her book became that rare thing in academic publishing - a bestseller with no trade-off between accessibility and scholarly rigour.

Which is not to say it was uncontentious. Richardson holds that, despite the dreadfulness of their deeds, most terrorists are neither "crazy" nor even "amoral". On the contrary, most terrorists see themselves as altruistic and noble - Davids against Goliaths - and their objectives are rationally calculated. "Terrorism is a tactic," Richardson says, "and terror is an emotion. It makes no sense to declare war on either." While arguing that terrorism cannot be defeated, Richardson believes passionately that it can be contained. The first step is to understand its appeal to those who practise it, and on the basis of this understanding to devise effective counter-terrorist policies.

Some critics, however, took the view that to try to understand terrorism is to sympathise with it. "I reject that utterly," she says. "I reject equally the notion that all terrorists are evil monsters or psychopaths." Her voice is distinctive - lilting Irish cadences overlaid by what phonologists call the broad Bostonian A.

Richardson's book was in part addressed to those policymakers who believed that the September 11 attack was a security breach to be solved by means of superior force, moral posturing and tough-guy sloganeering - "simplistic formulas of good and evil", she writes. She advocates a more modulated approach, drawing on the counter-terrorism experience of other countries, such as Britain dealing with the IRA, or India responding to Sikh terrorism in Punjab. Instead, what happened was what she describes now as "American exceptionalism run amok" - the refusal to derive any lessons from the experience of any other country. It became a simple case of deploying the military and "beating the bad guys".

While acknowledging the pressure on governments to react forcibly and speedily in the wake of an attack, she believes that to be effective, the response should be as nuanced as the problem. This would include understanding, instead of simply demonising, the enemy, isolating terrorists from what she calls their "enabling communities" and above all living by our principles - "no more Abu Ghraibs", as she puts it now. Her book draws on powerful historical examples of principled American behaviour, notably George Washington's instructions to the officer in charge of the 221 British soldiers taken prisoner at Princeton: "Treat them with humanity, and let them have no reason to complain of our copying the brutal example of the British army in their treatment of our unfortunate brethren."

~snip~

The way for an individual to acquire a lasting legacy is not to "speculate in derivatives" but to invest in libraries, laboratories and scholarships.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d96d0978-0ab6-11de-95ed-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 11:36 AM
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1. Thanks for bringing that book to my attention....
It deserves a look. . . k&r
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 11:42 AM
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2. Ignorance and apathy
those who martial those forces for their cause are my intractable enemies.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 11:48 AM
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3. The real enemy
is our way of thinking, and seeing things in duality. Imagine a world where everyone sees everything as interconnected--all are related--that what you do to the least of these you do to yourself. This day is coming, I feel, for the old way of thinking has just about worn itself out.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 12:11 PM
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4. Someone trying to kill myself or my family/friends I would consider an enemy
the same goes for someone trying to kill a bunch of innocents.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 12:16 PM
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6. Likewise, those whom you seek to kill see you as an enemy..
The US has killed myriad innocents, which is one reason why many see us as an enemy.

Our government has not acted in the best interests of the majority of Americans for a very long time, the fruits of our government's actions are now coming back to plague us.



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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 02:07 PM
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11. Is the US -you and me- past trying and is actually killing bunches of innocents
and acknowledge it as just collateral damage? No big problem?

Is the US your enemy? Are you the enemy? Am I for funding it?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 12:12 PM
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5. I sometimes like to reply before reading the article. Based on the subject
Edited on Sun Mar-08-09 12:23 PM by peacetalksforall
heading, the enemy, for me, has come to be that tier of rulers that cause wars even it they have to invent the war, then tell us who the enemy is - which is always, in reality - THEIR enemy. (Drug wars?)

The word 'rulers' doesn't necessarily mean heads of state. Rulers mean the wealth machine (corporate/foundations/councils/monetary world financier, etc.). They attempt and succeed in owning the world - physically and humanely based on the resources they want.

Commerce and trade is not good enough for them. They do not recognize that the earth below and the sky over the head of the people who live in any particular area or within borders are the ones who own the earth.

The enemy for me are those who colloborate to own and control us and our rights for their own needs or power and greed. They are warring against us.

It comes down to war between rulers-little people. Kings-serfs. Slave masters-slaves.

Now, I'll go read. Thanks for posting. Looks great.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 12:21 PM
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7. Pogo said:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 12:25 PM
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8. inherited wealth
is the enemy of the planet and of the people.
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 12:49 PM
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9. And wealth accumulation is what business "persons" were created for.
Business "persons" that value money over life and get to kill stuff legally and without compunction are enemies to the survival of all life. The legal system has made a very grave error in conferring human rights onto corporations.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 12:52 PM
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10. corporate perosnhood
is like legalized serial killing.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 02:10 PM
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12. The Wealthy. nt
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