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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 11:52 AM
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Would GHAP's PRIVATIZATION/“voucherization” of MEDICARE permanently DOOM Universal Single Payer?
Edited on Fri Mar-06-09 12:04 PM by Faryn Balyncd


Would the Emanuel/Fuchs GHAP PRIVATIZATION/(“voucherization”) of MEDICARE permanently DOOM Universal Single Payer Healthcare?

(Contrasting the views of Howard Dean & of Zeke Emanuel)





Howard Dean proposes allowing younger Americans who choose to “buy in” to Medicare. He estimates the number choosing such a “public option” will increase as private insurance prices continue to escalate.

While Dean does not advocate a strictly Single Payer solution at this time, he strongly believes that:



Howard Dean: Real Health Reform ‘Rises And Falls On Whether The Public Is Allowed To Choose Medicare’


“If Barack Obama’s bill gets changed to exclude the public entities, it is not health insurance reform…it rises and falls on whether the public is allowed to choose Medicare if they’re under 65 or not. If they are allowed to choose Medicare as an option, this bill will be real health care reform. If they’re not, we will be back fighting about it for another 20 years before somebody tries again.”



VIDEO






What are we to conclude, then, from the administration’s snubbing of Howard Dean, even as they have hired a “White House adviser” who proposes the PRIVATIZATION of MEDICARE?

As proposed, the well-intentioned, but misguided, Emanuel/Fuchs GHAP (Guaranteed HealthCare Access Plan) envisions vouchers which would cover private purchase of insurance for basic defined services with the option of additionally purchasing various (more expensive) services.

A striking aspect of such a plan is the ease with which benefits could be curtailed by future administrations or Congress:





How would private insurance vouchers differ from Medicare?



Under Medicare, the retiree’s financial obligations are limited to his deductibles, which are known. The political hazards associated to politicians considering reneging on Medicare obligations affords retirees a measure of stability.

In contrast is the utter ease with which such a privatized, voucher based system could be transformed by a future Republican administration into a system in which the voucher only covered a portion (or even a small portion) of the price of even the most basic insurance coverage.

Once Medicare is privatized, all that would be required for such a transformation would be for a right wing administration (or Congress) to keep the vouched funds constant in the face of rising insurance prices.

Once Medicare is privatized,and replaced with a (well meaning) voucher system (in which the retiree must purchase a private policy using the voucher supplemented by his own funds {for “upgrades”, etc}, how would a hypothetical future right wing administration/Congress respond to higher prices by insurance companies?

Would a right wing Congress and/or the administration readily adjust voucher funds to meet higher prices?


. . . . . . . . . .


Today, under Medicare (or any Single Payer system), the federal government must deal with increased medical prices through negotiations, politics and/or regulations.

In a post-Medicare world, by writing vouchers the government would pass the burden of negotiation to individual retirees.

Could there be a greater power mismatch than retirees negotiating with insurance corporations (corporations that will then possess the ultimate trump card - - - the fact that consumers are ultimately required to purchase one of their policies, regardless of price)?

If a future Congress/administration does not increase voucher funding to meet rising insurance prices, what will prevent insurance prices from consuming a major portion (or more) of a retiree’s Social Security (or other) pension?


. . . . . . . . . .


How ironic is it that a right wing Republican administration would have NEVER have had the political capital to privatize Medicare, but if Democrats actually privatize/"voucherize" Medicare for them, a future Republican majority could easily destroy the value of those vouchers incrementally through inflation and inaction.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5180499&mesg_id=5180499





When Howard Dean stated that reform will rise or fall depending on whether younger Americans are allowed to opt-in/buy-in to Medicare, he predicted that a defeat (of a Medicare buy-in option) would likely result in a 20 year delay in future attempts (to move toward Medicare-for-all/public universal health care/single payer).

But even Dean’s dire prediction did not reckon with the possibility of Medicare itself being PRIVATIZED/(“voucherized”) with NO PUBLIC OPTION.

If Medicare, our most successful public medical plan is thus privatized, what is the likelihood that Single Payer reform could EVER be achieved?

If Medicare is privatized, how will we ever be able to apply the 31% “administrative” cut now reaped by insurance companies, & apply it to actual health services.

If Medicare is privatized, how will we ever achieve cost effective medical care for all Americans, and allow our productive industries, now hobbled by escalating insurance prices, to once again be competitive?




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From another perspective, if you were an insurance lobbyist hoping to design a POISON PILL to destroy forever the possibility of public Single Payer Universal Healthcare, could you design a plan more effective than the PRIVATIZATION/(“voucherization”) of Medicare as proposed in the well-intentioned, but misguided, Emanuel/Fuchs “Guaranteed Healthcare Access Plan”?

And, if you were an insurance lobbyist, what would you fear more than Howard Dean’s proposal to allow younger Americans the option to buy-in/opt/in to Medicare?







:kick:









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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 11:57 AM
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1. Recommended.
It's apparently okay if Democrats do it, though we fought the Republicans tooth and toenail. :shrug:

Very perceptive.
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:47 PM
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2. I do not understand how so many are just accepting whatever
is tossed out either. Makes no sense at all to me.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:20 PM
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10. You called it with FISA. I bow again. n/t
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:50 PM
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3. This so called transition plan which the WH calls it
will doom any single plan for single-payer. simple as that.

Why people are just accepting it is beyond words!!
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 01:12 PM
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4. No one is accepting this, we will overthrow the gov't if they do this.
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 01:50 PM
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5. LOL
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:21 PM
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11. People Should if They Screw Around With Medicare and SS
but we know from Bush v. Gore people are simply apathetic.

The powers-that-be are counting on it.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 01:52 PM
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6. Please tell me I'm pronouncing 'Fuchs' correctly
K&R
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:19 PM
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9. Yeah, I think you're getting the gist. n/t
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:00 PM
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7. Yep, the foxes are being let into the hen house now.
K&R
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:18 PM
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8. The Emanuel brothers should be required to register as Republicans. What a loathsome
idea. The one social net we have for our elderly, social security & medicare, is now being cleverly dismantled by our new president. Just lovely. I knew when he said he wanted to "start a conversation about Social Security" that we were screwed. I'm surprised the republicans aren't jumping for joy. They are probably not paying enough attention since they are so focused on their taxes. They will be absolutely thrilled when they figure out what he is doing.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 07:37 PM
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12. Recommended
If there's any chance of them succeeding with the privatization of our Medicare, thus locking in guaranteed profits for the health insurance companies but providing no longterm guarantee of health care access to all of us, then we need to fight back and stop it.

This scenario is truly frightening.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 11:12 PM
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13. Kick. (n/t)
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 11:56 AM
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14. "well-intentioned"? Please.
Another "illusion of choice" non-choice presented as an either/or option to ensure that the dominance over us is not threatened.
:kick:

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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 10:47 AM
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15. We should be making Medicare and Medicade the MODEL for public "insurance" as a FIRST STEP
and not what Dean and these fucking idiots are proposing!!!

Making everyone "covered" under a single medicade/medicare entity is the ONLY way to go - it would essentially be "single payer" but capitalizing on the agencies already in place!!!

What these fucks are proposing is UTTER DISASTER!

Why would ANYBODY want to even THINK of retaining ANY connection to insurance companies for HEALTH CARE?!!!!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 10:48 AM
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16. We should be making Medicare and Medicade the MODEL for public "insurance" as a FIRST STEP
and not what Dean and these fucking idiots are proposing!!!

Making everyone "covered" under a single medicade/medicare entity is the ONLY way to go - it would essentially be "single payer" but capitalizing on the agencies already in place!!!

What these fucks are proposing is UTTER DISASTER!

Why would ANYBODY want to even THINK of retaining ANY connection to insurance companies for HEALTH CARE?!!!!
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 11:42 AM
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17. HR 676 is basically medicare for all...March 10th is an action day...
Edited on Sun Mar-08-09 11:48 AM by maryf
and profit over people is what causes the utter disaster! you are very right there!

From progressive democrats:

March 10: 4th National Call-In Day and Fax your Health Insurance Bills to Congress!


As the new administration takes on the giant task of reforming health care, the Leadership Conference for Guaranteed Health Care must continue to keep up the heat in support of meaningful reform and the tremendous momentum for the only plan proven to work: Expanded and Improved Medicare for All.

On March 10th, 2009, we will host a deluge of activity in support of HR 676.

We plan to flood phone and fax machines in Congress demanding support of HR 676. We ask that you join with thousands of others to call Congress and also fax your health insurance bill or letter of denial to Congress. Click here to take action.

We also urge you to contact the new Secretary-designate, Kathleen Sebelius. In addition to congratulating her on her nomination, let her know you support HR 676 and single-payer national health care; click here.

Get out in the street! The American Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) is hosting a conference in Washington, D.C. AIHP is the trade group that develops the policies which keep profit first in our health care system while leaving over a third of the population uninsured or with completely inadequate coverage. Join with HR 676 advocates for a demonstration outside of the conference:

"Health Insurance NO! Health Care YES!"
11 a.m. March 10th
Ritz Carlton Hotel ( map )
Washington, D.C.

If you don’t live near Washington D.C., then walk your neighborhood and talk to your neighbors about HR 676. Order your materials here (at our cost).

The injustice in our health care system must end, and Congress must act now for real health care reform. If our Congress is serious about health reform, they will support HR 676.


Health and Justice,

Tim Carpenter
National Director,

Laura Bonham
Deputy Director,

Conor Boylan,
Field Coordinator
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 11:45 AM
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18. Isn't it the "voucher" idea that got less and less popular the more B*sh talked
about it?
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