History Channel-2012 Nostradomas.

[kimmerspixelated]

I have noticed that whenever a show that involves Nostradomus is aired, they tend to forget the sensationalism edit button, but other than the overly dramatic part they always like to embellish, I thought the upcoming galactic planetary alignment event was covered in an interesting way, when they discussed the astrological signs,etc. I think that there will be a disruption of electrical devices, etc. for a day or so, and then things will go back to normal, or maybe....who knows...to hear them go on anD on, it sounded like, forget about paying off your bills, we're all friggin' doomed!

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

1. It's on again?

They were playing that crap on and off all weekend.

[Jack from Charlotte]

7. This plus Bermuda Triangle crap is the stupidest subject....

they do. I guess, moronic Republic Party members have to have their shows on History Channel, as well.

[kimmerspixelated]

12. I wouldn't say they are stupid subjects, but

the way they sensationalize, detracts from the interesting facts they are trying to present!

[ReliantJ]

2. Get a blog Groucho.

But yeah, we know when the world will end but we're going to write a book about it rather then spend time doing stuff we love. I am writing a book about this set to be releases in 2090.

[Motown_Johnny]

3. this is right up there with the "Harmonic Convergence" this won't have any effect

at all on anything.


Maybe something else will happen at the same time (I think that was their point) but the fact that the sun will rise in a direct line with the galactic plane means nothing.

[Codeine]

4. The History Channel

has become useless by showing all this bullshit 24/7. How god-damned idiotic do you have to be to think the movement of planets or the passing of an arbitrary calendar date has anything at all to do with your life or the flow of civilization?

Too many imbeciles.

[ReliantJ]

5. It'll make sells on crap

go through the roof though so I'm all for it. I heard Home Depot had record sells in December of 99.(I made that up)

[kimmerspixelated]

13. I believe you just insulted the crap out of me.

Thanks, tops off my day.

[tjwash]

36. I like modern marvels, the universe, and gangland

the rest of the shows blow chunks

[valerief]

6. The History Channel should call itself The Pretend History Channel.

It has no basis in reality. It's crap for people who like to devour authoritarian content.

[Silent3]

10. There are a few good shows on there...

...they're just mixed in with a boatload of crap, pretty much like any other channel.

[kimmerspixelated]

14. Thanks for not being mean.

With all the other responses, geesh! I just thought the subject of 2012 was interesting!

[Zhade]

27. Interesting only if you're not informed enough to know it's all horseshit.

No offense. But there's nothing behind all that hoopla.

[valerief]

15. I'll take your word for it. I only see the crap. Of course, some people

turn to MSNBC and only see Lockup! Talk about crap. They'd be better off show infomercials. Or better yet, Thom Hartmann or Cenk Ughur!

[Silent3]

29. One show I like a lot...

...is Modern Marvels. Some of the more recent shows have been part infomercial for various industries, but there's still a lot of good info on the history of technology and modern industrial methods.

And even if it gets old the Nth time around, at least the first time around I've found a lot of the shows on the history of WWII to be interesting. Recently History International has been replaying an old miniseries about the American Revolution that I like.

[valerief]

30. You know, I don't think I've met a single woman who's enjoyed watching war shows.

Guess it's a male thing.

[edhopper]

8. The effect the Planets have

on us so so minute that this "alignment" will be inconsequential.
Try astronomy instead of astrology, it's real for one thing.

[muriel_volestrangler]

9. Can you actually describe "the upcoming galactic planetary alignment event"?

and why you think it is of any interest to an observer on Earth, at all?

[kimmerspixelated]

11. You're kidding me, right?

Maybe I expressed it badly, but I was talking about Dec. 21, 2012 when the planets line up in a position that hasn't been repeated in , did they say, 26,ooo years!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. Pff.

Nothing to do with the planets. This is supposed to be the date that the solar system passes through the galactic equator, an imaginary plane dividing the galaxy evenly in half.

The problem is, nobody knows exactly where the galactic equator is (and where ever it is is completely unimportant), and the uncertainty in its position is about 40 years wide.

So when people saying this special alignment occurs on December 21, 2012, they're completely full of shit.

And just trying to make the Mayan calendar look more important than it really is.

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. No, I want to know how many planets you mean, and how closely they 'line up'

and maybe a comparison with previous "once in a lifetime" line-ups we've had in the past few years, such as May 2000, when the 7 classical sky objects got closer, in terms of where they are in Earth's sky, than they will again until 2675.

So 2012 is going to be more impressive than that, then - can you give details?

[kimmerspixelated]

20. No, I don't have the details, actually.

I would like to learn more, much more than was depicted in the History channel's version. I'm sure if I were to go to the library I could find something. So many books, so little time!

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. Well, this thread inspired me to install some astronomy freeware

on my PC - 'Stellarium' seemed to get good reviews on websites, so I tried that (if you want to try too).

It has told me that, on 21st Dec 2012, there will be no planetary 'alignment' whatsoever. For instance, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, the 3 planets further out than the Earth and visible to the naked eye, will be at Right Ascension (this is a coordinate for where the planet is in the sky - measured in hours, it's like a 24 hour clock following the projection of the equator in the sky) of, very roughly, 20 hours, 04 hours, and 14 hours respectively. This means they're very well spaced out.

I'm slightly puzzled that you said "I think that there will be a disruption of electrical devices, etc. for a day or so", when you didn't 'have the details'. How are you able to predict electrical effects from the planets, when you don't know where they'll be? :shrug:

[kimmerspixelated]

34. I'm sorry, See response number 23 near the end.

" The solar meridian crossing the galactic equator, and the earth aligning itself with the center of the galaxy". That's what I should have relayed.

But the solar flares, supposedly will be effecting the electrical magnetic field of Earth, more intensely.Or at least there is a great possibility of it. I am afraid to make any more statements! Sometimes I get too excited before I post, and don't re-read for clarity. I apologize profusely.

[Zhade]

28. The whole 2012 thing is paranoid nonsense. THERE'S NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT.

NT!

[kimmerspixelated]

35. Yes, it's paranoid to believe in the end.

But on said date-the "solar meridian crossing the galactic equator, and the earth aligning itself with the center of the galaxy" is not hogwash. That's a scientific fact. If anything happens, it will be the beginning of something better, not the horrible end. Maybe nothing will happen, but astronomically, I beg to differ.

[muriel_volestrangler]

41. No, it's not a 'scientific fact'; it's a garbled half truth

There are however a lot of theories knocking around the Internet which use the end of this calendar cycle to predict the end of the world. They often also mention the fact that Dec 21st is the winter solstice, and that the Sun on the solstice that year is "aligned" with the plane of the galaxy. On the winter solstice, the Sun always has a Declination of -23.5 degrees, and a Right Ascension of 18 hours, but exactly where this is on the sky relative to more distant stars changes very slowly due to the "precession of the equinoxes". We have a posted answer explaining this effect but how it's important in this answer (and how it was first noticed) is by the fact that it moves the position of the equinoxes, and solstices with a period of 26,000 years in a complete circle around the sky westward along the ecliptic. So the position of the winter solstice moves 360 degrees in 26,000 years. That means that it moves 360/26000 = 0.01 degrees a year. Defining an exact boundary for the plane of the Milky Way is tough, but it's at least 10-20 degrees wide across much of the sky, meaning that the solstice can be described as being "in the plane of the Milky Way" for 700-1400 years! To put it another way, the winter solstice that just past (2005) was only 0.1 degrees away from where it will be in 2012, a distance smaller than the size of the Sun itself (which is about 0.5 degrees in diameter). In any case the Sun crosses the plane of the Galaxy twice every year as we orbit around it, with no ill effect on Earth.

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=686

Today, yesterday, and tomorrow, the sun does not lie in the galactic midplane, but it is about 35-70 light-years “above” it (since there’s no “up” in space, you could also say it lies below it). It is also currently still traveling “upwards” in the direction of the North Galactic Pole at a rate of 7-8 km/sec.

It is also not on a perfectly circular orbit relative to the plane of the galaxy, moving presently inward at a rate of 10-11 km/sec. Its rotational velocity around the center of the galaxy is about 200 km/sec.

I should also note that the center of our galaxy, the supergiant black hole known as Sag A* (pronounced “Sag A-star” or “Sagittarius A-star”), is the celestial coordinates 17 h 45m 40s RA, -29° 00′ 28.00″ DEC. What those actually mean is unimportant at the moment, just keep it in mind.
...
Jenkins’ premise is actually somewhat correct in the sense that, yes, the Milky Way will be somewhat near the plane of the galaxy as seen from Earth around the winter solstice in 2012. But not anywhere near Sag A*. And there’s nothing mystical about the plane of the galaxy … in fact, the sun passes “through” it as seen from Earth once a year. It just so happens that for the last ~300 years through the next ~300 years, this will happen to coincide with mid-December - winter solstice in the Northern hemisphere and summer in the Southern. There is really NOTHING special about this other than New-Age woo and mysticism.

http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/planet-x-and-2012-the-pseudoastronomy-or-just-plain-wrong-astronomy-about-a-galactic-alignment/

(I believe the first sentence in the final paragraph ought to read "... the Sun will be somewhat near the plane of the galaxy as seen from Earth ..." - the Milky Way is the galaxy, after all)

I'm not quite sure what you mean by the 'solar meridian'. A meridian, in astronomy, is the line connecting due north, the zenith, and due south, for the observer. If 'solar meridian' means a similar line, but passing through the sun rather than north/south, then the meridian would cross the galactic equator (ie the line of it, as seen from earth) every day. As those excerpts point out, the sun itself crosses the line twice a year.

The earth will not "align itself with the center of the galaxy" in 2012, as the second excerpt points out; those coordinates for Sag A* are several degrees away from the Sun at winter solstice (18h 0m 0s RA, -23° 26’ Decl), and it can only get about 0.1 degrees closer between now and 012; if I've used the Stellarium program correctly, the winter solstice point won't even get to its closest to the galactic centre for another 200 years or so, although that's still a degree or two away (but I may have done that wrong).

Anyway, the winter solstice is the time when the earth's north pole is pointing as far away from the sun as it ever does; why would having the galactic centre, sun and earth in a straight line at that time mean anything special?

"astronomically, I beg to differ" - please, tell me you don't really consider what you have done as 'astronomy'.

[SpiralHawk]

40. No evidence to support Mayan mathematics and cosmology?

Hmmm, sounds like the argument of a republicon flat earther. Check the math and science out; the Mayans were WAY ahead of the Western world.

[TNOE]

16. The Mayans

were genius with their calendars and calculations - for such a supposed primitive people. Their calendars dated back 10 million years at that time. Personally (flame suit on), I think there is definitely something to this. But no doubt, its what float your boat, what you find interesting.

[a la izquierda]

38. 10 million years? Nope.

You read that wrong, wherever you read it.
The long count starts in 3114 bce.

You have to understand what the calendar MEANS before you say things; the calendar doesn't "end"...it cycles.

[TNOE]

19. Some of you may find this interesting

or helpful:

http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/Dec212012.htm

[kimmerspixelated]

22. WOW!

Thanks, TNOE! Interesting site. I've made a note of it. But I only got 1 of the 4. I'll have to make time to investigate further. It's so fascinating just from the astronomy point of view, let alone revelations! ...I particularly like the "universal frequency of synchronization" and "evolving beyond the constructs of man-made linear time".

I wonder if somehow we're all in for a bit of an electrical shock, but that it renews us to be what we were meant to be!

[SpiralHawk]

25. interesting

eom

[a la izquierda]

39. That website is...

a bunch of bullshit. Now, I didn't go through his/her numbers but...some of what he cites is based on pseudo-archaeology (Pakal Votan stuff, in particular). The Mayan "culture" adopting Christianity? Sure, some did-at the points of swords, willingly...and the the author of this website suggests that this should discount all other sources but Pakal Votan. This is utterly ridiculous, it is bad, bad scholarship. This is a web author who believes what he chooses to...and he chooses to ignore any knowledge of Mayan history, archaeology and actual culture. He also chooses to ignore Mayan elders and what they have to say on the subject.

You read this website, and the ruminations about the Maya, at your own peril.

[SpiralHawk]

21. What the Mayan elders say themselves. Coming to AZ in April

http://www.chiron-communications.com/blog.html

"Maya Kiche spiritual leader Grandfather Alejandro Cirilo Oxlaj, President of this Council, and also the official Ambassador Extraordinary Itinerant of the Council of Indigenous Peoples of Guatemala, will preside at the gatherings. He has observed that with only four years left to the Mayan Calendar, many people have been stirred to fear the end of the world. The calendar is not predicting the end of the world in 2012, he says, but rather the start of a new era. The April gathering in Arizona is intended to help usher in this new era."

[SpiralHawk]

23. Longer, more detailed story on Maya Daykeepers on the same blog

This goes into a lot more detail...and reports the actual prophecies by the actual people with actual responsibility for the Mayan cosmological tradition.

Lots of people are profiting off of saying a lot of wild things about the Mayan Calendars. I tend to pay more attention to what the Keepers of the Calendars have to say themselves...

"Anthropologists visit the temple sites," Mr. Barrios says, "and read the stelas and inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the signs correctly. It’s just their imagination...Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed. The indigenous have the calendars, and know how to accurately interpret it, not others...

"...It will change," Mr. Barrios observes. "Everything will change." He said Mayan Daykeepers view the Dec. 21, 2012 date as a rebirth, the start of the World of the Fifth Sun. It will be the start of a new era resulting from — and signified by — the solar meridian crossing the galactic equator, and the earth aligning itself with the center of the galaxy."

(snip)

http://www.chiron-communications.com/communique%207-10.html

[kimmerspixelated]

33. Yes, excellent!

[kimmerspixelated]

32. Now see, that's what I believe. Not the end but a beginning!

That apocolpyse- the real meaning of the word- does not mean destruction, but an unveiling.

[Zhade]

26. Why do they bother to call it the History channel, with so much religious/2012/Nostradamus bullshit?

NT!

[kimmerspixelated]

37. Yeah, that was sort of my point.

If only they had stuck to the astronomical part, there would have been more credibilty to the subject matter! I like to take the religious crap out, and just think how awesome the galactic movement will be!

[Javaman]

31. Nostrildomus: the man who smelled the future. "somethings on the wind!" nt