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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 10:26 AM
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Krugman: "policymakers refusing to face hard facts, & are dithering while the world economy burns"
March 2, 2009, 8:43 am
Failing the test
It’s a depressing spectacle: on both sides of the Atlantic, policy-makers just keep falling short — and the odds that this slump really will turn into Great Depression II keep rising.


In Europe, leaders rejected pleas for a comprehensive rescue plan for troubled East European economies, promising instead to provide “case-by-case” support. That means a slow dribble of funds, with no chance of reversing the downward spiral.

Oh, and Jean-Claude Trichet says that there is no deflation threat in Europe. What’s the weather like on his planet?

On this side of the Atlantic, Tim Geithner seems committed to the view that banks should stay private even if they’re bankrupt, because — well, just because. James Kwak is driven to exasperation:

To be blunt, it sounded like the “private is better” mantra we heard from the Bush administration, and (to a slightly less extent) the Clinton administration before them. Sure, most people agree you don’t want all individual lending decisions being made by bureaucrats in Washington, but that’s just a straw man. There are valid reasons to debate whether nationalization is the best solution; in particular, if you were to take over Citigroup, even for a short period of time, would that immediately weaken Bank of America so much that you would be forced to take it over the next day? And what about JPMorgan Chase? But that’s not what Geithner said. He said “private is better.”

And so is the extremely moderate Tim Duy, over the insistence of policymakers that the “true value” of assets is higher than anything the market is actually willing to pay:

Policymakers are assuming that restoring proper functioning in credit markets - and confidence in general - is equivalent to a housing price rebound. They seem incapable of envisioning a world in which this is not the case. This tunnel vision prevents policymakers of trying to devise policy which assumes that the many of the assets in the banking system are simply “bad.” For Bernanke and Geithner, there are no bad assets. Only misunderstood assets.

And we have the spectacle of James Baker — James Baker! — attacking the Obama administration from the left, calling for temporary nationalization of zombie banks as part of the recapitalization process.

The sickening feeling of drift — the sense that policymakers are refusing to face hard facts, and are dithering while the world economy burns — just keeps getting stronger.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/02/failing-the-test/

Right winger James Baker is now calling for temporary nationalization....or as he states it "temporary injection of public funds to clean up problem banks and return them to private ownership as soon as possible."

How Washington can prevent ‘zombie banks’
By James Baker

Published: March 1 2009 19:38 | Last updated: March 1 2009 19:38

Beginning in 1990, Japan suffered a collapse in real estate and stock market prices that pushed major banks into insolvency. Rather than follow America’s tough recommendation – and close or recapitalise these banks – Japan took an easier approach. It kept banks marginally functional through explicit or implicit guarantees and piecemeal government bail-outs. The resulting “zombie banks” – neither alive nor dead – could not support economic growth.

A period of feeble economic performance called Japan’s “lost decade” resulted.

Unfortunately, the US may be repeating Japan’s mistake by viewing our current banking crisis as one of liquidity and not solvency. Most proposals advanced thus far assume that, once confidence in financial markets is restored, banks will recover.

But if their assumption is wrong, we risk perpetuating US zombie banks and suffering a lost American decade.

Evidence – a mountain of toxic assets, housing market declines, a sharp economic recession, rising unemployment and increasing taxpayer exposure through guarantees, loans, and infusion of capital – strongly suggests that some American banks face a solvency problem and not merely a liquidity one.

We should act decisively. First, we need to understand the scope of the problem. The Treasury department – working with the Federal Reserve – must swiftly analyse the solvency of big US banks. Treasury secretary Timothy Geithner’s proposed “stress tests” may work. Any analyses, however, should include worst-case scenarios. We can hope for the best but should be prepared for the worst.

Next, we should divide the banks into three groups: the healthy, the hopeless and the needy. Leave the healthy alone and quickly close the hopeless. The needy should be reorganised and recapitalised, preferably through private investment or debt-to-equity swaps but, if necessary, through public funds. It is time for triage.

To prevent a bank run, all depositors of recapitalised banks should be fully guaranteed, even if their deposit exceeds the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation maximum of $250,000 (€197,000, £175,000). But bank boards of directors and senior management should be replaced and, unfortunately, shareholders will lose their investment. Optimally, bondholders would be wiped out, too. But the risk of a crash in the bond market means that bondholders may receive only a haircut. All of this is harsh, but required if we are ultimately to return market discipline to our financial sector.

This is not a call for nationalisation but rather for a temporary injection of public funds to clean up problem banks and return them to private ownership as soon as possible. As president Ronald Reagan’s secretary of the Treasury, I abhor the idea of government ownership – either partial or full – even if only temporary. Unfortunately, we may have no choice. But we must be very careful. The government should hold equity no longer than necessary to restructure the banks, resume normal lending and recoup at least a portion of taxpayer investment.

After replacing bank management with new private managers, the government should have no say in banks’ day-to-day operations.

The FDIC can assist. Just this year, it has placed more than a dozen American banks – admittedly all small – into receivership. We might also consider setting up something akin to the Resolution Trust Corporation, created in 1989 to liquidate the assets of failed savings and loans. The RTC eventually disposed of almost $400bn in assets of more than 700 insolvent thrifts


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b3f299a6-0697-11de-ab0f-000077b07658.html
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 10:29 AM
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1. dithering is what politicians do best. 99.9% are morally corrupt politcal cowards.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 10:34 AM
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2. Baker should drown
in all the water he has carried for the Bush family over the years. :grr:
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 11:11 AM
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3. Obama should have a meeting with Krugman and others like him . . .
to get their views on the economic situation before advancing any particular policy initiatives . . . a few hours with him and the likes of Joseph Stiglitz should open his eyes a bit . . . and scare the crap out of him, at least enough to cause him to reconsider his current positions on matters economic . . .
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 11:46 AM
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4. Its like Obama simply outsourced finance to Geithner and Summers, the same idiots
who did this.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:32 PM
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7. You're right, but it's not outsourcing. It's payback to his biggest financial backers--
Wall Street and the banking industry. It's the way politics is controlled by the financial elites and President Obama is not going to break the mold until they tell him to.

For the financial elites there has to be an "up" side to this financial shell game. I haven't figured out if an actual depression would be better or worse for them. On the "up" side they could buy most of the property and manufacturing capacity on the planet at fire sale prices and then resell it to the "public" once the world economy improves. And, they could certainly tighten their grip on the masses by instituting martial law and totalitarian rule across the globe. Planetary social upheaval, disease, starvation, and reduced crop production worldwide would cull the weak from the herd and lighten the burden on the planet's natural resources (although, that may not enter into their equation). The end of democratic governments would make "managing" world affairs an easier task.

On the possible "down" side, this might backfire on them and spur revolutions around the globe, deposing the current power holders and stripping the financial elites of their wealth. (I find this to be a bit on the improbable side given the degree of military and police firepower that is now concentrated in the hands of the rulers and their lackeys). We proles might actually figure out ways to implement a globally connected network of local economies that do not ravage the planet vis-a-vis the current industrial-economic model. The resulting upheaval, illness, and destruction might reduce our planet to a charred cinder or a barren moonscape that is not hospitable to our species (and most others).

Oh well, enough philosophizing for one morning. Anyone else have any theories?

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:52 PM
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14. I think they want a depression
It will never impact the super rich, and that is what our policymakers and their constituents/corporate cronies are, super rich, robber barons and those beholden to them. "let them eat cake" sort of rings a bell here.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:32 PM
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23. If they do, then they're far more stupid than I had initially thought.
A Depression would bring Revolution.

I think they'd rather give up several million than lose their heads - literally.
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nbsmom Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:57 PM
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16. Cui bono indeed
If you follow the money...

When did the Carlyle group start shorting the Dow?

Greenspan joined with The Goldman Group in March 2008, and they immediately shorted Royal Bank of Scotland. Those are just two of the more egregious examples that come to mind.

The hedge funds started to cry poverty (but who was calling for redemptions anyway?)

There are folks have been making money, lots of it, even in this crap market. I still don't understand why they haven't called another timeout on shorts.

Leveraged ETFs are filled with 'hot' money. It's clear that TPTB aren't interested in protecting private small investors or even retiree pensions. Why?




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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 05:03 PM
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19. nbsmom, I'm high-finance illiterate. Could you please explain how "shorting" works?
Thanks.

P.S. I didn't realize Greenspan joined Goldman. Don't those old, rich fuckers ever retire?

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nbsmom Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 12:51 PM
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21. Shorting is what turned Wall St. into a casino
When most people think about investing, they think about a classic buy and hold strategy. I buy a share of stock for this price and when the price goes up, I make money. I am holding that stock in a 'long' position.

If, on the other hand, I am convinced that the price is too high, I can take the same amount of $$$ and take a 'short' position. If the price of the stock goes down from when I purchased it, then I make money.

There are no rules that stop me from owning both a short and long position (unless of course I'm a C-level or some such insider position.) And, as many have pointed out, hedge funds actually pay a MUCH smaller percentage of their profits on taxes (15%) then those folks who cure cancer or teach students or fight fires for a living.

In essence, that is what most hedge funds have been doing for the past 8 or 9 years. If you are a hedge fund and in Oct 2007 you see the Dow at 14000, then you start taking 'short' positions (as opposed to the 'long' positions that most pension plans and retirees are obligated to take) because you are about the short-term increase or manipulation of wealth. You start to bet that the Dow will be at 10000 (or 7000 or 5000), and then when the Dow hits that number (or shoots past it), then you simply cash out and run away from the table as fast as you can. Remember in the tech bubble there were a bunch of folks who were going around saying (in blind posts on investment message boards, etc.) that sockpuppet.com was going to be the next big investment? It's not too far a walk to imagine that there are many out there who would benefit (because of leveraged positions) far more if the market continues to drop, and continue to post their sage opinions to that effect.

I did come across an opinion by Robert Heller in a January issue of the San Francisco Chronicle that made a lot of sense:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/11/INUN1541J4.DTL&hw=PIE&sn=003&sc=708


Do I think this or any other sane solution will happen any time soon? Probably not. If they're having trouble staffing up the FDIC to handle the banks (which is naturally a bigger priority), I would imagine it's going to take a little longer to be able to put the resources behind a rethinking of our global market system.

Hope that's not too depressing.


P.S. No, but it's clear that there is never enough money for some folks. (And Andrea Mitchell still has a job without constraints, so there's that just to piss you off even more.)
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 01:16 PM
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18. He has also outsourced The WARS....
...to the people who helped start them.

This week, he is going to outsource HealthCare to the Insurance Corps & HMOs.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:11 PM
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5. "They seem incapable of envisioning a world in which this is not the case" n/t
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:21 PM
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6. "Private is better" is the change we've been waiting for?
nt
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:36 PM
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8. That's because the Friedman "free-market" disciples are still in charge.
In the Bush Ad. or the Obama Ad., the Friedmanite neoliberals still set economic policy. Wouldn't it be great if Krugman could get a position in the Administration?
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:43 PM
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9. I wouldn't want Krugman in the administration
He says: Do this and this.

He loses the policy argument.

Now what? Does he flak for a policy he thinks unwise? Does he resign?

Being outside he has an excellent forum for speaking his mind so it's probably for the best.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:47 PM
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10. I guess so
But I'd just like *someone* w/a different POV in the Administration. So far, all the Friedmanites create an echo chamber where they're not even aware that there's other solutions. I wonder if Obama is even aware of other solutions that are not so "market-friendly."
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:49 PM
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12. I am hoping Gordon Brown will be able to offer some direction from outside the echo-chamber
I am really looking forward to Brown's speech to congress.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:48 PM
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11. And I hope he gets more coverage as we move along as to pressure
Washington.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:50 PM
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13. Politicians are extremely adept at instituting FUBAR.
They are always eager to show that they are "doing something"...no matter how stupid or irrational it may be.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:53 PM
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15. I wonder if they feel like they'll be safe if they preside over another Great Depression
IMO they will be in grave danger. Yet they continue to steer us toward anarchy. What's up with that?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 01:01 PM
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17. Psychologists will be studying that for years.
Assuming "civilization" survives and we still have psychologists. If not perhaps there will be myths, oral histories transmitted down through the new stone age.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 05:17 PM
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20. What most of us forget is that the financial elites are the same people who have run
this planet since the Dark Ages or even before. The same families and bloodlines have been expanding their power and honing their ability to control their subjects, I mean, citizens, for millenia. The same dynasties that ruled China, Europe, Central Asia, and the Middle East are still with us today but are no longer called Kings and Queens (except in very rare instances).

Ruling is a craft, a skill, an art, and a science that is taken very seriously by TPTB. So, you're right to wonder, Doctor_J, why they would steer us on this course. My post #7 mentions a few possible reasons they might/will benefit from a Depression, but I'm sure that there are other more complex reasons.

Ironically, today Thom Hartmann was discussing why TPTB might want to destroy the middle class in America--and by extension, in other nations. I missed a lot of the discussion, but one part that I caught was when Thom explained that the Aristocracy have always felt that they were ordained to rule because they are smarter and are favored by God. Now they see the middle classes and democracies as a threat to their hegemony, so they have no qualms about eliminating both. His take was that the consolidation of power has been going on for millenia, but the ramping up in America began with the Reagan Presidency. Hard to argue against that position.

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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:30 PM
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22. All Krugman's ideas aside, the very FIRST thing we need to do
is tell the whining investor class to get over their bad selves and suck it up like the rest of us are having to do.

Then, we can move forward with change.
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