So, now we have three logging shows on teevee to enjoy.

[tabasco]

Heli-loggers, Ax-men, and Loggers, or some such tripe.

Is it just me or does this seem weird?

Will there be equal time for conservation shows?

[spanone]

1. i saw what passed for entertainment. 2 rednecks tearing apart a house by hand

teevee is a vast wasteland

[tabasco]

8. Worse than a wasteland.

It is active propaganda. MegaCorp teevee is like a disease.

The only difference between our current lineups and the telescreens is that we can still turn them off.

[alarimer]

50. Have you seen that Homeland Security one?

Pure propaganda.

[Liberal_in_LA]

29. How about that exterminator reality show

I can't watch that show.

[rurallib]

2. This is the kind of stuff Repugs say could replace public television

You know - for profit TV will fill the void.

[htuttle]

3. Well, who WOULDN"T want to be a lumberjack?

Leaping from tree to tree! As they float down the mighty rivers of
British Columbia! With my best girl by my side!
The Larch!
The Pine!
The Giant Redwood tree!
The Sequoia!
The Little Whopping Rule Tree!
We'd sing! Sing! Sing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zey8567bcg

[TahitiNut]

7. Suspendies...and a bra?

I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK
I sleep all night and I work all day.

Chorus:
He's a lumberjack and he's OK
He sleeps all night and he works all day.

I cut down trees, I eat my lunch
I go to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays I go shopping and have buttered scones for tea

Mounties:
He cut down trees, he eat his lunch
He go to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays he go shopping and has buttered scones for tea.

Chorus:
He's a lumberjack and he's OK
He sleeps all night and he works all day.

I cut down trees, I skip and jump
I like to press wild flowers.
I put on women's clothing and hang around in bars.

Mounties:
He cuts down trees, he skips and jumps
He likes to press wild flowers.
He puts on women's clothing and hangs around in bars.

Chorus:
He's a lumberjack and he's OK
He sleeps all night and he works all day.

I cut down trees, I wear high heels
Suspendies and a bra.
I wish I'd been a girlie, just like my dear pappa.

Mounties:
He cuts down trees, he wears high heels?
Suspendies...and a bra?

...He's a lumberjack and he's OK
He sleeps all night and he works all day.

...He's/I'm a lumberjack and he's/I'm OK
He/I sleep all night and he/I work all day.

[lumberjack_jeff]

15. Beats cutting hair. n/t

[tabasco]

20. Says you. n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

28. "he's a barber and he's okaaaay!"

... just doesn't have the same ring. :hi:

[DJ13]

4. Can we merge this topic with the "topless coffee shop in Maine" topic?

Now THAT would make for interesting TV!

Lumberjacks, not so much.

[Buns_of_Fire]

43. "Topless Lumberjack Ice Truckers"

It's got "hit" written all over it, I tell ya!:thumbsup:

[ProfessorGAC]

45. Hey That's Perfect

It's another show i would know to avoid just from seeing the title!

I hate all that stuff. I mean, really! Ice Road Truckers? My dad was a truck driver. I don't need to watch on TV to see that it's a hard and boring job. My dad already told me.
GAC

[tridim]

5. SciQ Sunday on Science channel is great tonight

It's all about time.

[tabasco]

6. That's great that there is a one-time episode about time.

However, I was wondering about the three continuing series on logging.

[XOKCowboy]

9. When conservation shows are entertaining?

The time will come. Right now it's loggers, truckers, crab fishermen and dirty jobs.

[tabasco]

10. How would you know?

You've never seen a conservation show, have you?

[XOKCowboy]

11. Living With Ed?

I love that show. I seem to be the only one though.

[tabasco]

13. Never heard of it.

Is it about a tree sitter or something?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

25. Ed Begley, Jr.'s show.

Each episode, he's talking about some green-related technology/concepts, but it's done in a sort of sitcom-type format with his wife.

[tabasco]

12. Maybe those shows are interesting for people who have never done any real work.

I've worked offshore, been a paratrooper, and had a lot of dirty jobs.

I don't find any of those shows that you mentioned interesting in the least.

[havocmom]

14. Problem isn't 'never done any real work'. Most people never see any RESULT from their work

Not much satisfaction in cube rat land, with no real results ever actually seen. People are tired at the end of the day. They gave their all at the office. There just isn't any sign of FINISHING anything.

My guess it, the logging shows speak to that.

[tabasco]

18. I think there is a connection to the economy.

Just going off on a tangent but if more of our work hours actually produced something tangible, our economy would not be so fragile.

Please don't think I'm saying we need to go back to hunter/gatherer mode, but there is too much bullshit in the world that don't mean nothing!

[havocmom]

30. I absolutely agree with you. It is bad for the economy and bad for the human spirit

We KNOW there is something BIG missing in most of our lives. It is the satisfaction of seeing completion.

[Thothmes]

44. These shows do show modern timber cutting conservation

None of the stuff they are cutting is old growth. No clear cutting except in blow down salvage operations. The trees being logged are replant 2nd & 3rd growth timber in renewable forests. The gravity skyline logging does cause a little less damage to cut areas. You should see how bad a hi-lead clear cut looks once the logs are gone. The helo ops in British Columbia is an excellent example of conservation. No roads, no swaths of clear cuts in the old growth, minimal damage to the forest environment after the logs are removed. In the 60s & 70s, a most of the timber these people are taking out of Oregon forests would have been left on the ground. It was not worth the money to yard it and most of the mills did not wanted it because it was too small to saw or peel. JMO

[old mark]

16. You could have been watching the History Channel, with shows on

Nostradamus and the Apocalypse, or the Male Enhancement Hour or my favorite Your Baby Can Read!
(My neighbors can't even read, and they are well over 30.)

If TV were great, we wouldn't spend so much time here.

mark

[whoneedstickets]

17. I watched Whale Wars for a while, its a conservation show..

..but found it was mostly a 'star vehicle' for Paul Watson who seemed to display a creepy lack of concern over his human crew. I'm not sure sacrificing humans for whales is where I'm at in the whole anti-whaling debate.

[tabasco]

19. I need to check that out.

The fact that anyone is killing these endangered animals leads me to believe that we will eventually destroy our own species.

[whoneedstickets]

21. Yeah, it seems barbaric and very myopic..

..to be destroying these animals that are 'on the brink'.

I just don't know if sending naive, poorly trained (but photogenic) starry-eyed twenty-somethings into harms way is the best plan. It sure must be good for Watson's fund raising though. I found the show pretty compelling --though the first few episodes made even the experience crew look like keystone cops (swamping a boat at launch and nearly disabling their chopper).

I'd like to see a conservation show that involved the cleanup of some natural area (park, river, pond).. like an extreme GREEN makeover where the shows host lead a local volunteer team to restore some place. Not sure anyone else would want to watch but I bet a few would be inspired.

[tabasco]

23. You bet I'd like to see it!

Much more compelling than a meaningless makeover of some dipshit's living room.

[flvegan]

24. You realize that those "poorly trained starry-eyed twenty somethings"

are volunteer crew with much akin to zero on-water experience, right?

Yeah, it'd be nice if 15 Navy SEALS wanted to volunteer, but we can be realistic, right? Watson's fund-raising wasn't hurting too badly before the show. Thanks for your concern though.

[whoneedstickets]

27. I know that is exactly what they are...

..and I watch as Watson cleverly manipulates them into taking risks with their lives in one of the most remote and unforgiving places in the world. Risks that navy seals might not! Hell they were planning a night time radio-less boarding of a whaling vessel from a zodiac until they came to their senses. I love whales, but I love people a bit more.

[flvegan]

31. Manipulates?

Application to crew with SSCS is like enlisting. Crew knows what they're signing on for before they ever board the boat.

Some of us are happy to risk our freedom and/or life to stand up for what we believe in.

[whoneedstickets]

32. Yeah, he manipulates...

..did you watch the show? He takes on a naive and idealist crew. Fills them with tales of confronting those evil Japaneses whalers and then baits them into taking big risks for the 'cause' while he sits fat (and I mean fat! how do you get so fat eating tofu and chickpeas?) and happy safely in his boat. I watched as he complained about how many were sea-sick. When voices were raised about the potential dangers of the night raid, he played that little "I'll leave it up to you" game, followed with "but why did you bother to come if you weren't ready to sacrifice" and later "we'll have to get some new volunteers" . It was all subtle mind games.

Ultimately the actions of the Sea Sheppard won't do much to halt illegal whale killing, but Paul knows that's not the point. The whole game is free advertising for fundraising based on the outlandish risks he can prod his volunteer crew to take. He's a key and successful player in the green-activist-complex (the equivalent to the military-industrial-complex).

[flvegan]

33. Sorry, I'm vastly more familiar with Sea Shepherd outside of a tv show education.

Shame you feel that SSCS "won't do much". That it's a "game" for "fundraising". Shame because it shows you really have no fucking clue about which you speak.

Did I watch the show. Jesus. Yeah, I base my allegiance on a fucking tv show.

[whoneedstickets]

34. Wow, you're really touchy about any criticism...

..all swear words and insults. Are you a professional asshole or just doing this in your free time?

[flvegan]

35. You make baseless accusations.

Wait, no...not baseless. No. You watched a tv show. Good for you.

Ooh, and look at someone else using swear words and insults.

[whoneedstickets]

36. Hmm, the thread was about TV shows...

..I posted about a TV show that I watched. I though that TV show was somewhat less than compelling because as I watched this TV show I found the main charter on the TV show to be manipulative and self-aggrandizing.

I'm certainly not the only one who has noticed that the volunteers on this TV show were untrained. I though the interpersonal dynamics on board the ship depicted on the TV show were designed to put pressure on people to take risks with their lives. Wasn't it the case, after all, that the young man who risked the most in boarding that ship and getting arrested was the one who felt (or was made to feel) guilt for his accident with the chopper.

Need I remind you that this thread is about TV shows?

If you want to claim based on other info that the TV show has wrongly depicted Paul, then good for you. You can even swear while you do it.

[flvegan]

37. So you make claims about an organization

based on a tv show? You claim manipulation and sacrificing humans for whales based on what you saw through your little coax cable link?

Then you get pissed when you get called on it. Brilliant. No wait, I should swear now. Fucking brilliant.

[whoneedstickets]

38. You're really getting wound up..

about a few observations about a TV show/informercial for Sea Shepard. Lets see if I can prod you into blast-off..

Let's look at my baseless claims:

"it was mostly a 'star vehicle' for Paul Watson who seemed to display a creepy lack of concern over his human crew"
That seems mostly my impression watching the show... no claim about the organization. I thought Watson seemed creepy.

"I just don't know if sending naive, poorly trained (but photogenic) starry-eyed twenty-somethings into harms way is the best plan."
Ok, I questioned the activist plan.... I'm hardly the first.

"It sure must be good for Watson's fund raising though."
You seemed to agree on this one, but thought that I was somehow implying that his fundraising wasn't good before... a VERY interesting point ...hold that thought for later...

"I found the show pretty compelling --though the first few episodes made even the experience crew look like keystone cops (swamping a boat at launch and nearly disabling their chopper)."
Again mostly my observations from the show. Could this incompetence be editing or real? Shrug...

Ok then the 'manipulation' claim that got you riled up. Well we'll just have to agree to disagree on how the dynamics on board the ship where volunteers serve and stay at the pleasure of the Captain might lead to inordinate risk taking. I'd point you to psychological studies like the Milgram experiment on authority or the Standford prison experiments to point out how trying to please authority figures and fulfill social roles might lead to pressure toward certain expected behaviors....

Then I guess I really get apostate:

"Ultimately the actions of the Sea Sheppard won't do much to halt illegal whale killing, but Paul knows that's not the point. The whole game is free advertising for fundraising based on the outlandish risks he can prod his volunteer crew to take. He's a key and successful player in the green-activist-complex (the equivalent to the military-industrial-complex)."

So you're angry that I said this is all about posturing and fundraising. But didn't you just claim that Watson was doing great at fundrasing already! Doesn't that suppport my point that this really is all a game to generate more financial support?

Heck, I never claimed Watson was some sort of criminal, terrorist. I just said he seemed creepy and manipulative and a bit ego-involved (and Fat, that really seemed to goad you -- Paul is that you?)

[flvegan]

40. You get all your observations and in-depth thoughts from television?

Good for you.

"So you're angry that I said this is all about posturing and fundraising. But didn't you just claim that Watson was doing great at fundrasing already! Doesn't that suppport my point that this really is all a game to generate more financial support?"

No. Only a complete moron would think so. Oh, wait...here we are.

What makes you bring up the word "terrorist"?

My pic is in my Journal. I'm not Paul, but I'm flattered you might think so.

[whoneedstickets]

41. I see now, you're the self-appointed defender of all things...

..Sea Sheppard!
Sorry I dared to defame the chosen one.

Oh, and looking at your picture I guess that touchiness is just a bit of roid rage. With your name and all you really ought to think about lifting natural.

[BreweryYardRat]

42. Something for you to consider.

It is very easy to slant TV footage towards one opinion or another by only using select cuts from the total amount of footage taken.

Might want to consider that possibility. All it takes is a person or two with some sort of beef against Sea Shepherd (Lord knows progressives and environmentalists aren't immune to stupid factional infighting), and it comes out as a very skewed interpretation of actual events.

Now, it's possible you could be right. I haven't watched the show, so I can't say anything for certain about their behavior. But so far as I know, Sea Shepherd haven't had any fatalities in the what?...decade or two they've been running interference down there? Murphy's Law (anything that can go wrong will, and at the worst possible moment) in a place like the Antarctic Ocean isn't something to take lightly. If Watson were as callous about his crew's health and safety as you seem to think he is, I suspect he'd have had more than a few deaths over the years. I'm not aware of even one.

[zeemike]

22. I am so out of touch I don"t know what you are talking about

I don't have TV because I can't receive a signal and I got rid of my satellite dish some time ago.
But the last really stupid show I have seen was something about a millionaire that went undercover and pretended to be poor but at the end of the show he gave someone he deemed worthy a few bucks...And apparently the people in the poor neighborhood did not notice the camera crew that followed him around.
Is that still on?
But that was enough to make me turn on the radio and listen to some good music and wait for my netflix movie to come in.

[tabasco]

26. Oh my, you don't know what you're missing!

They even replay that shit like five times a day so you can catch all three logging shows!

[KharmaTrain]

39. And Don't Forget The "Tow Truck Drivers Go Wild" Show

It's real cheap to mount a camera...sure beats having to hire real writers or talent. The other night I saw one with tow truck drivers...giving the Lincoln Park Pirates their 15 minutes of glory. And for this I'm paying what per month?

But it beats watching the bobbleheads on the cables.

[leftyclimber]

46. This is what I don't get about these shows.

I go to work all day.

Why on earth would I then want to go home, turn on the television, and watch someone else work?

[Vinca]

47. Do the shows actually show loggers being squashed to death?

That's what I got from the advertising. Very strange.

[burythehatchet]

48. There is too much time to fill for the several hundred cable channels.

They have no money to produce any real, informative programs, so they go for what's cheap. Think about it, film a group of lumberjacks taking down a forest and then edit it to add some drama and voila! you have 30 minutes of filler.

Now what I really think is remarkable is that sentient human beings actually sit on their couches and watch this tripe. And by this tripe I mean American Idol, Ice Truckers, Loggers, and all of these "reality" shows. All of them except Flavor of Love. That one is really good.

[alarimer]

49. Watching environmental destruction is just so entertaining.

Of course there won't be any tree-hugger shows.