Clean your toilet with electrolyzed water? Drink it?

[lumpy]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/living/2008791573_magicwater27.html

Excellent article regarding revolutionary way to sterilize using common table salt and water. Powerfull enough to kill anthrax spores, salmonella etc.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. I love the comments.........

I'm not a chemist, but it does sound a little fishy to me.

I own a part interest in a cleaning company, and the people who work for us use a ton of white vinegar. It cleans everything, and they swear by it. Can't get cheaper than that, and it stores very nicely.

[sendero]

2. It's amazing...

.. what you can do with vinegar, salt and baking soda. Add some orange oil, ammonia and bleach (not at the same time :)) and you can replace about 90% of your cleaning products.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

3. Absolutely

When I learned that about the white vinegar, I made sure I had a gallon of it on hand in my home at all times, with spray bottles everywhere, just in case.

It's spectacular on windows, mirrors, any surfaces, except wood, of course. And how come it doesn't get more publicity?

I have orange oil for the wood furniture, and it does a terrific job.

[lumpy]

4. I suggest you all read the article in the Times. This is being used

already in this country, for instance in Santa Monica at Sheriton Hotel and in other industries. Used in Japan for some time. This will be kicking Clorox and Mr Clean off the market. This is real.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

7. I did read the article

It's rather insulting for you to "suggest (I) read the article." If you hadn't noticed - and, obviously, you didn't - I commented on the comments.

I think it's a scam, but we'll see.

In the meantime, my little cleaning company goes through gallons of white vinegar and everyone is sparkling clean and happy.

[lumpy]

13. Forgive me, I didn't intend an insult.

I have used vinegar, ammonia, clorine for years and agree these are effective cleaners, although vinegar doesn't have the properties to kill certain germs such as salmonella. If this article speaks the truth and the claims therein are true, then yeah!, we will have the greatest way to do away with a ton of disease through safe 'green' sterilization.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

17. I hope it's true,

and I hope the technology can make it available to everyone.

What a great advance that would be. Boy, I hope it works..................

[Horse with no Name]

9. Also

it replaces Jet Dry in the dishwasher and does a fabulous job.
I also use it in my laundry.
There aren't enough good words about Vinegar.
There are some great uses for it in the Frugal Living forum.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

10. Wow!

I never thought about that. I have Jet Dry on my shopping list, so THANK YOU! Another chemical no longer needed.

I could smack my forehead, because using vinegar instead of Jet Dry makes SO much sense.

I gotta check out that Forum. Thank you A LOT!!!

:toast:

[Horse with no Name]

16. You will be SHOCKED

just as I was--how sparkling clean your dishes are with vinegar.
Especially the glasses. It was truly an eye-opener.

[Traveling_Home]

5. This stuff works - save your company $$$$

[lumpy]

8. Since you have interest in a cleaning company, you will be

interested in reading the article in the Seattle Times. This not so new technology is already being used in this country. Truly, the cleaning solution is made with tap water and table salt doused with electricity to change the ionic makeup of same (I am no chemist). It is tremedously inexpensive and equipment to produce the solution is already being produced and being use in the Sheriton Hotel in Santa Monica, other industries and in Japan for instance. It will kill anthrax, salmonella. Can be used to sterilize well water etc. Take a look, you might be spending a lot less for your cleaning solutions in the near future. I will be looking forward to dispensing with the use of Clorox to finish off my household germs. Read about it !

[Tangerine LaBamba]

11. Let me say it again,

v e r r r r r r r r r y s l o o o o o o o w w w w w w w l l l l l l y for you since you clearly don't read very well.

I did read the article.

I am more impressed by the comments.

You might try reading the comments, but I urge you to do it v e r r r r r r r r r y s l o o o o o o o w w w w w w w l l l l l l y.

[lumpy]

15. It pays to be open minded at times. If this new development is

being used and the article is true will you be less skeptical and more open to discussion about the subject at hand without feeling you are being insulted in some manner?

[Warpy]

14. I've started using vinegar, salt and baking soda to clear my drains

thanks to Kim and Aggie, and they're running better than they ever have in the past.

I do vinegar in the final rinse water when I wash clothes because the water here is hard as a rock and the vinegar dissolves soap scum.

I use a vinegar and water solution at the end of my shower for the same reason.

I buy white vinegar at Costco by the gallon and a half. That lasts only a couple of months.

However, salty water that's had an electrical current passed through it?

Useless.

[Catch22Dem]

6. Brawndo's got electrolytes (n/t)

[X_Digger]

12. Interesting discussion in the comments..

I have just enough chemistry to follow the gist of what the chemistry teacher is saying, but not what the CTO of the company is saying.

[lumpy]

18. I thought it interesting that Joellen Feirtag , a Minnesota

food scientist has found that it does kill E'Coli etc. and that she does believe that it will become mainstream. It is interesting that it is already being used in this and other countries. I will be looking forward to seeing more about it in other publications other than the LA and Seattle Times.

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. You mean 'chemistryman' and ' IETemmonsECAtechnology '

here: http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/reader_feedback/public/display.php?thread=85219&offset=0#post_245768 ?

I think what the chemistry teacher is missing is the "By utilizing ion permeable membranes" comment (which allows them to separate the alkali and acidic solutions as the current is put through the solution), and the teacher is also assuming the equilibrium state of the final mix - the article says "Electrolyzed water loses its potency fairly quickly, so it can't be stored long", which I think acknowledges that in the end you get what he thinks you would.

But at first you have hypochlorous acid, which, as the CTO claims, is widely acknowledged as the thing which actually disinfects:

Factors Influencing Chlorine Activity
Water pH

When sodium hypochlorite is added to water, it forms sodium hydroxide (NaOH) and hypochlorous acid (HOCl). All three forms of chlorine produce hypochlorous acid (also called available chlorine or active chlorine). Hypochlorous acid is what kills pathogens. In high pH solutions, most of the hypochlorous acid disassociates to form hypochlorite ion (OCl-) which is not an effective sanitizer. Testing kits for free chlorine measure both hypochlorous acid and hypochlorite ion and alone do not indicate the quantity of available chlorine that kills pathogens. Chlorine solutions with pH above 8 are relatively ineffective against pathogens. Below pH 6, chlorine is more corrosive to equipment and activity is rapidly lost. A pH of around 7 will maintain about 80% of the chlorine in the available (hypochlorous acid) form with very little gas formed (Figure 1). Thus, in order to know the sanitizing strength of ones chlorine solution, both pH and free chlorine must be measured.

Both water source and form of chlorine used will affect pH management. Fresh water in Florida may have a pH above 8.0 due to dissolved calcium carbonate. Adding either sodium hypochlorite or calcium hypochlorite will increase pH, while adding chlorine gas will decrease pH. After adding commercial chlorine, adjust the pH of the water to 7 by adding either acid or base. Muriatic (HCl) or citric acid are commonly used to lower pH while sodium hydroxide (lye) will raise pH. The pH of water can be determined by using an electronic pH meter.

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/CH160

(bold is in the original; I'm not trying to shout at anyone here)

What the electrolysing apparatus achieves is the same as adding sodium hypochlorite and hydrochloric acid to pools etc., in a convenient form.

[MattBaggins]

19. You have got to be kidding me

dihydrogenous oxide anyone?