“Free Republic” Site Kind Of Godless “Conservatism”

[RJ Connors]

I Am Thankful I Was Delivered From When I Was Made A Christian

While doing some wandering around the net today I found a series of sites I found extremely interesting. Seems there are some Christian sites out there who just despise FreeRepublic.com and had some interesting things to say about them.

Looks like it started when a guy named John Lofton said some true things about America, which of course the Freepers had a shit fit over and he ended up getting banned from the site. It seems that John is a writer of some sort for a publication called The America View and well wrote a story that was not real flattering of JimRob and some other dimwits at FR.

These lead to some other bulletin boards and blogs from "The Banned" on FR that brings some interesting perspective as to what normal people think about the "Freepers" and what they really are.

The main story can be found at: “Free Republic” Site Kind Of Godless “Conservatism” I Am Thankful I Was Delivered From When I Was Made A Christian

By John Lofton, Editor

I’ve been kicked off the “Free Republic” web site. No more posting allowed. The problem? The results of my brain scan. It revealed I had one — a definite no-no if you’re posting among the “FReepers.”

But, seriously……

Have any of you spent any time looking at the “Free Republic” web site? Yikes! If most of the folks posting on this site are what a “Free Republic” produces, then give me Communist Slavery every time. Just kidding— about the “Communist Slavery” crack. But, I’m not kidding about the “Free Republic” site.

So, why, seriously, was I dumped? Well, I posted this comment:

Vanity: Oh, No! Obama Pastor Says Something Which Makes Sense!!

“It was a horrible, shocking, unnerving experience. Reading some of the things Barack Obama’s pastor has said, I suddenly saw something with which I completely agree!! He said five days after 9/11: “We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye….” His point: Chickens were coming home to roost. I agree. We certainly committed terrorism and murder when we dropped two atomic bombs on open cities in Japan. And, as Ron Paul has said, correctly, re: 9/11: The terrorists were over here because, first, we were over there in their part of the world sticking our nose into fights none of our business. Finally, none other than God Himself tells us in Galatians 6:7: “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”

(con't)“Free Republic” Site Kind Of Godless “Conservatism” I Am Thankful I Was Delivered From When I Was Made A Christian

Also, check out the forum on this site at:

http://www.theamericanview.com/forums/showthread.php?p=27409&PHPSESSID=314e830bb2609f06f449577e2b4dc694

Particularly this post.

23rd April 2008
HenryAdams
Active Member +

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Physically: California -- Spiritually: Seated in the heavenly places. Ephesians 2:6
Posts: 567

I especially love your quotes of Mr. Robinson. How is it that a mind can be so warped to say that you, “As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life,… pro-Constitution….”, and not recognize how anti-God, anti-life, and anti-Constitution this current administration is?

How Orwellian is this statement “We support our military, our troops and our Commander-in-Chief and we oppose turning control of our government back over to the liberals and socialists who favor appeasement, weakness, and subserviency.”? Without any thought whatsoever, Robinson says he becomes strong and independent through his "subserviency" to the current government. Because of his fear and weakness, Robinson is willing to find comfort and security in an abusive, domineering government. Mr. Robinson, it is you who favors appeasement, weakness, and "subserviency"! You appease the government of GW! You are weak in your stand for freedom! You would rather be a slave and kept safe than to be free and face danger! You are the subservient! You stand by and applaud as the freedoms once guaranteed by the Constitution are stripped away in front of your very eyes!

Ah, Mr. Robinson, you are the perfect modern-day Oceania resident. Instead of being a Winston and questioning the "reality" provided for you, you repeat the mantra "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength" and you truly believe it.
Last edited by HenryAdams; 23rd April 2008 at 11:43. Reason: spelling

And also check out the blog at: http://jgrubbs.blogspot.com/2004/09/freerepublics-jim-robinson-on-bush.html

Looks like some of the Christians in America are starting to call FreeRepublic for what it is, a fascist website.

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. It's the US/western version of fundamentalist extremism. Thankfully

without any courage of their convictions.

[snowbear]

2. Ack, is that the site with "Responsibility2nd"? Some weirdo

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of some sort that is a cross between Michael Jackson and Mark Foley when it comes to his private pastime??

If they allow people like that on their site, I can see why they're being investigated!!

They truly must be Godless!!

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[FatDave]

7. Please try not to insult the Godless.

Many on DU fit that description and will not like being lumped in with perverts and republicans.

[Chulanowa]

3. And amazingly, so many on the left continue to bash Jeremiah Wright...

Based entirely off the numbskulled claims made by freepers - that he hates America. That he's a racist. I just stare in amazement every time I see Wright-bashing going on here. I'd like to think they're pissed at him for "damaging Obama" but even then, he only damaged Obama becausethe right said he did! Everything wright said about the chickens coming home to roost is absolutely true, and his further speech that we have no right to ask god bless America is also true.

Wright may not be perfect, but he's hardly the angry black demon I've seen so many accuse him of being.

More to the subject... I was a long-time poswer on a right-wing message board. They also think Free Republic is a den of idiots. Don't be fooled - they were idiots, too. They just didn't like the freeper "style" of idiocy.

[Political Heretic]

5. Anyone who suggests AIDS was created by the government deserves a little more than a raised eyebrow

Wright was correct about many things - many inconvenient truths if you will. He was also bombastically outrageous in some of his other claims, and his ego and attitude itself (demonstrated in his last couple public appearances) is more than enough to warrant and little criticism.

As per usual, this subject like most other subjects isn't an either/or. He's not a demon or a saint.

[Chulanowa]

6. "Wright may not be perfect" I said...

Pat Robertson gives televised interviews with god from inside his own head that says women and gays caused 9/11 and he still makes millions. Wright says AIDS came from the government and he's run out on a rail.

The treatment I've seen of Jeremiah Wright has been one of the most blatantly racist things I've seen that didn't involve white hoods.

[mojowork_n]

9. What do Spike Lee, Bill Cosby, Grace Jones, Will Smith & Jeremiah Wright have in common...?

I agreed with your post so I just did some reading up on WHY someone might be led to suspect government involvement in AIDS. (As opposed to WHY someone might be led to suspect that women and gays caused 9/11 -- you know, just to "compare and contrast.")

It led to this long article, which is reasonably well written, cogent and rational in tone and style, and reasonably plausible. It's certainly not "proof positive" but it documents Wright's experience in the military, among other things. Rev. Wright did so well at "corpsman school" (he was the valedictorian of his class) he was assigned to Bethesda Naval Hospital and was on the "commander in chief's" medical team that treated Lyndon Johnson, after his surgery in 1966. Wright got 3 letters of commendation from the White House...

This is the link:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=34&contentid=5035&page=2

In the interests of balance -- and providing a complete bibliography -- here's a weblink to a Word doc that briefly summarizes, and provides links to, a whole host of entirely different AIDS origin theories. These range the whole gamut of intent, from 1.) man-made, genetically engineered genocide to 2.) accidentally transmitted from polio virus to 3.) the O.C.T. accidental species-jumping theory, in several variants:

faculty.fortlewis.edu/fox_j/Pol%20Psych/Student%20pages%202/Freed%20AIDS_conspiracy%5B1%5D.doc

[struggle4progress]

10. The fact that the 2001 anthrax attacks may have used material from US bio-weapons labs,

underscores a point often forgotten: some of the US bio-weapons scientists are really rather odd folk, whose fantasies make most of us cringe

I agree that it is unlikely that HIV/AIDS was designed in a government lab and then deliberately released into US minority communities -- because neither the pace of biological research in the 1970s, nor the currently-known epidemiological history of HIV/AIDS, lends plausibility to the theory

Nevertheless, although I disbelieve the theory myself, I find it easy to understand why a person, with a non-technical background and a certain knowledge of history, might regard the theory as plausible:

First, there is a long history of US officials experimenting with unwitting populations, including: a deliberate long-term non-treatment of African-American syphilitics so the US Public Health Service could determine by autopsy the effects of untreated syphilis, extensive experimentation (by the CIA) with the effects of LSD on unsuspecting persons, and deliberate exposure to radiation of large populations (by the Atomic Energy Commission)

Second, by the late 1960s, some bio-weapons researchers were considering the possibility of developing, within a decade, a new infectious disease that side-stepped existing immunological responses -- and HIV/AIDS was recognized approximately within that time frame

Thus, although Reverend Wright was probably completely wrong here, perhaps his beliefs do not prove him a total crack-pot but simply highlight his non-technical background

Links follow:

Aug 26, 2008 (CIDRAP News) – US Navy and Air Force officials recently reported a suspension of work in their biodefense laboratories to allow a thorough review of safety procedures, following the Army's announcement in early August that it would review security measures at the lab that housed the work of the late Bruce E. Ivins, whom federal officials believe played a role in the 2001 anthrax attacks.

The FBI's Aug 6 announcement of its conclusion that Ivins was responsible for the attacks came 9 days after he apparently committed suicide. Ivins had worked at the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) for years, doing research that included work on anthrax vaccines. Shortly after the 2001 attacks he had also helped the FBI analyze anthrax samples, according to media reports.

The FBI's allegations about Ivins raised questions about how secure the USAMRIID facility was. , Reports of Ivins' past mental health problems also prompted questions about how well lab employees are screened before they are cleared to work with bioterror agents ...

Anthrax probe prompts concerns about military labs
Lisa Schnirring Staff Writer
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/bt/anthrax/news/aug2608security-br.html

The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
by Borgna Brunner

For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.

The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. “As I see it,” one of the doctors involved explained, “we have no further interest in these patients until they die” ...

http://www.tuskegee.edu/Global/Story.asp?s=1207586

Inside Mind Control

... The CIA was fascinated by LSD, and thought it a wonder drug that could be used not only to create zombie-like armies, but to drive enemy leaders like Fidel Castro insane. There were few willing subjects in the research — often, LSD was secretly given to a range of people, from CIA employees to prostitutes and the mentally ill. Sometimes, agents even posed as prostitutes and secretly drugged their clients, while fellow agents watched in two-way mirrors ...

http://science.discovery.com/stories/mkultra.html

Selected Descriptions of AEC Experiments involving Human Subjects

LANL-3. Radiation Exposure of Aircrews in Mushroom Clouds
LBL-17. A Physiological Study in the Peruvian Andes Using Iron-59
LBL-42. X-Ray Irradiation of the Normal Pituitary Gland During Conventional Cancer Therapy
LBL-70. Studies on Protein-Bound Iodine-131 in Children
OR-9. Studies Using Cobalt-57 Labeled Vitamin (B)12
OT-3. Use of I131-Labeled Protein in the Study of Protein Digestion and Absorption in Children with and Without Cystic Fibrosis of the Pancreas
OT-7. Uptake of Iodine-131 in Normal Newborn Infants in Iowa City
OT-14. Testicular Irradiation of Washington State Prison Inmates
OT-19. Radioisotope Studies at the Fernald State School, Massachusetts
UC-12. Study of Hormone Conversion During Human Pregnancy Using Carbon-14

http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/aec.html

... On June 9, 1969, Dr. Donald M. MacArthur, Deputy Director, Research and Engineering, Department of Defense, testified before Congress:

Within the next 5 to 10 years, it would probably be possible to make a new infective microorganism which could differ in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organisms. Most important of these is that it might be refractory to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease.

Whether the United States actually developed such a microorganism and what it did with it has not been reported. AIDS was first identified by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in 1981 ...

May 3 / 4, 2008
Rev. Wright, the CIA and the AIDS Thing
By WILLIAM BLUM
http://www.counterpunch.org/blum05032008.html

[MrModerate]

4. It's a fever swamp, which sensible people avoid.

DUers only go there to mock (talk about a target-rich environment!); regular (politically inclined) folks give it about 5 minutes before moving on to some healthier forum; and the true FReepers spend their lives there (a good thing, because otherwise they'd be in ours).

They have their moments of "glory" -- keep in mind that the ne plus ultra of FReeperdom was getting the Dixie Chicks to change from a country band to a pop band -- but it's all wankerville stuff that makes you reluctant to shake hands without gloves on when you see the 10s of their "activists" who show up for real-world events.

The scariest thing about FreeRepublic is the well of pure bile they bathe themselves in has *got* to produce at least a trickle of true psychopaths who could do real damage. That's what give me the creeps.

[jberryhill]

8. "a trickle of true psychopaths who could do real damage"

If that note left by the recent church shooter is any indication, there is no question that the rhetoric is inspirational to the feeble minded of a certain bent.