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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:47 AM
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"For ten years before coming to Washington, I taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago. I loved the law school classroom: the stripped-down nature of it, the high-wire act of standing in front of a room at the beginning of each class with just blackboard and chalk, the students taking measure of me, some intent or apprehensive, others demonstrating their boredom, the tension of my first question – ‘What’s this case about?’ – and the hands tentatively rising, the initial responses and me pushing back against whatever arguments surfaced, until slowly the bare words were peeled back and what had appeared dry and lifeless just a few minutes before suddenly came alive, and my students’ eyes stirred, the text becoming for them a part not just of the past but of their present and their future.

"Sometimes I imagined my work not to be so different from the work of the theology professors who taught across the campus – for, as I suspect was true for those teaching Scripture, I found that my students often felt they knew the Constitution without having really read it. They were accustomed to plucking out phrases that they’d heard and using them to bolster their immediate arguments, or ignoring passages that seemed to contradict their views. …..

"So if we all believe in individual liberty and we all believe in these rules of democracy, what is the modern argument between conservatives and liberals really about? If we’re honest with ourselves, we’ll admit that much of the time we are arguing about results – the actual decisions that the courts and the legislature make about the profound and difficult issues that help shape our lives. … More often than not, if a particular procedural rule – the right to filibuster, say, or the Supreme Court’s approach to constitutional interpretation – helps us win the argument and yields the outcome we want, then for that moment at least we think it’s a pretty good rule. If it doesn’t win, then we tend not to like it so much." -- Barack Obama; The Audacity of Hope; pages 86-88.

Last week, after Senator Obama appeared on CNN’s Larry King Live, a few participants on the Democratic Underground expressed the opinion that his performance would damage his candidacy. One discussion thread went so far as to say the show had eliminated him from serious consideration in the democratic primaries. I found that curious – perhaps these were the thoughts of those political students that Obama had noted were "demonstrating their boredom" – although I would wager that these were not the heart-felt opinions of individuals who were giving Obama serious consideration before the Larry King interview.

I thought it would be interesting to spend a few minutes looking at two issues that seem related to the debates regarding how well or how poorly Barack Obama may have done on the show in question. The first has to do with the significance the public places upon how polished any one candidate appears. It has to do with the marketing of a candidate: do we eliminate a candidate from serious consideration if they have an off night, where they seem to struggle to answer questions?

One of my favorite politicians was Senator Robert Kennedy. I have a "Kennedy ‘64" tie clip, shaped like New York State, that he handed out on the Chenango County Courthouse in Norwich, when he was running for the senate. Robert did not enjoy his brother John’s communication skills. Where JFK seemed always at ease, RFK often appeared slightly nervous. John’s appearance gave him an advantage in debates, as Richard Nixon found out. Robert was a powerful presidential candidate in 1968, although he lacked Eugene McCarthy’s debating skills.

There are advantages to being a gifted communicator. I think that all of the democrats who are in the presidential race are talented at communicating their ideas to the public. There may be times when each has the experience of being tired, possibly being hoarse, and of having an interview or speech that exposes them as being a human, rather than a plastic product such as Mitt Romney.

The more important issue has to do with each candidate’s understanding of the US Constitution. It’s too easy to say that all of the candidates in the presidential race, republicans as well as democrats, believe "in individual liberty and … these rules of democracy." In fact, as the Scooter Libby trial demonstrated, there is a group of Americans who believe that constitutional rights should apply to their exclusive group, but not to the larger population.

The Libby Defense Trust was composed of individuals who were very vocal about Scooter’s right to a fair trial. Yet these are the same people who self-righteously believe it is their right to deny constitutional protections to other people. And they become enraged when Libby was held responsible for some of the crimes he committed.

This view of exclusive ownership of constitutional rights came to a head in the 2000 presidential election. Not only did republicans coordinate the disenfranchisement of black voters in Florida, but the US Supreme Court endorsed their actions. In their selection of George W. Bush as president, the five "justices" decided that "the individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for President of the United States…" Harvard’s Alexander Keyssar (who wrote "The Right to Vote: The Constitutional History of Democracy in the United States") noted that this decision was "one of the stranger developments of the post-election conflict: the blunt expression of a legal argument denying that Americans actually possess a right to vote in presidential elections."

Kevin Phillips discussed this topic in "American Dynasty," a book that discussed the threat to democracy posed by "aristocracy, fortune, and the politics of deceit." At the end of chapter 3, he tells of how Antonin Scalia amplified his objection to democracy a year after selecting Bush for president. At a January 2002 Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, Justice Scalia expressed his opinion that the Constitution as written in 1787 reflected divinely inspired law, and that the state was an instrument of God. "That consensus has been upset by the emergence of democracy. … the reactions of people of faith to this tendency of democracy to obscure the divine authority behind government should not be resignation to it but resolution to combat it as effectively as possible," he said.

The republican tendency to exclude people from voting for president was not limited to the 2000 election. There were coordinated attempts to keep segments of the people of Ohio from voting in 2004. And while it no doubt pleases Justice Scalia that those who were disenfranchised in Florida in 2000 and in Ohio in 2004 were, by and large, the same groups denied protections by that 1787 version of the Constitution, it is vital to our democracy that we pressure the Congress to make sure that all Americans enjoy the right to vote for president in 2008.

True democracy is inclusive – not exclusive. We should be looking closely at the field of democratic candidates to see which ones are looking to protect citizens’ constitutional rights, rather than focusing on the packaging of the candidate. In each and every issue that is important in our culture today – no matter if we call these political or social issues – we do well to use the US Constitution as a guideline for framing the debate. This includes the war in Iraq; the "Patriot Act"; immigration; marriage; the attempts to put "bible studies" in public schools; the environment; and more.

Which candidates are advocating for the protection and indeed expansion of constitutional democracy? And which, if any, candidates are staking out positions that seem closer to the exclusive republican aristocracy that Scalia supports? These are among the most important issues we should consider in the primaries.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:02 AM
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1. This country needs to finally APPRECIATE its constitution and embrace the Open Government
issues that most politicians and lawmakers have long ignored in favor of MANIPULATION tactics.

Trust the voters as CITIZENS and respect them with the truth they need to BE informed citizens.

Instead we have too many lawmakers looking at people, not as citizens to be informed, but as voters to be manipulated.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:34 AM
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3. True.
Senator Robert Byrd encourages people to read the Constitution of the United States of America. I think that is a great idea. People should read it, and look at all of the candidates for national office -- for the House, the Senate, and those running for President -- and decide who is advocating for our Constitutional democracy, and who is not.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 11:55 AM
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4. !
:kick:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 01:37 PM
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7. GOP politicization of federal agencies is getting scary
Edited on Mon Mar-26-07 01:39 PM by EVDebs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=503905&mesg_id=506390

GSA, intell agencies, SCOTUS, you name it, they've packed it with rightwingnuts.

The question asked above needs the most press coverage however:

CUNNINGHAM SCANDAL FIGURE LINKED
TO IRAN CONTRA COCAINE TRAFFICKING
http://www.madcowprod.com/12072005.html

the article poses this important question:

"" Did U.S. intelligence agencies assist in funneling rivers of cash from suspect defense contractors into the campaign coffers of pro-war Republican lawmakers?

Was U.S. taxpayer money secretly used to subvert American democracy? ""

The Constitution is piece of paper to them in the GOP unless proven otherwise.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 01:44 PM
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8. Yes.
I think that it is very important for people to recognize that the neoconservatives do not respect the Constitution. On pages 103-104 of "Worse Than Watergate," John Dean lists 15 neoconservative beliefs; the last two are:

-- They view civil liberties with suspicion, as unnecessary restrictions on the federal government.

-- They despise libertarians, and dismiss any argument based on constitutional grounds.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 02:40 PM
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13. How can they argue for unrestricted govt and yet want it small enough to drown it in a bathtub?
In almost all cases, that which is unrestricted inevitably grows larger, and not necessarily with a positive outcome either.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 02:58 PM
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14. Good point.
They want to restrict everyone else, but to enjoy a lack of restrictions for their own behaviors. And that has proven to be a problem in every instance that it has been at issue in our nation's history.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 02:59 PM
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15. They really want to drown democracy, not govt., in the bathtub.
They've removed civics education and critical thought from the classroom too. Some information is too inconvenient for them to allow inquiring minds to see.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 07:15 PM
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23. Exactly.
This week's TIME has a terrible article endorsing the teaching of the bible in public schools. I think it is safe to say that those favoring such a thing belong to an exclusive group -- and while it may be that this group is a majority in the United States, they are asking for their religion to be part of every child's "education." They are Christians, and they believe that the bible is a sacred text.

Those opposed to teaching "bible history" in public schools include a wide range of people, including many Christians. But many others are not.

The excuse being used as the cover for the agenda to put one religion in schools is that the bible was one of, or even "the," foundation for our Constitution. However, having public schools teaching the bible is a clear violation of that Constitution -- except in the minds of those doing the violating.

Far better that our public schools increase the studies of the Constitution, including that Bill of Rights. Also, the Declaration of Independence, and other related documents.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 07:00 PM
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20. Seems to me what they want is
a small government but a frickin' HUGE president. This is what the "executive privilege" crazies seem to want.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 07:03 PM
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21. They are going
beyond the Nixon concept of an Imperial Presidency, to a Revolutionary Presidency. Very, very dangerous.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:24 AM
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2. It Is A Hair Raising Issue
but not in the way some would want. Appearance seems to play a part in all of this too. There have been discussions of who has the best hair, who would win if judged by hair, who gets expensive haircuts and who goes to a "regular" guy barber. Is her hair color different, her butt too big? JFK had beautiful communication skills but he and his wife were also far prettier and charming than tricky Dick. And of course there's the "who would you prefer to have a beer with" standard. Appearances can be deceiving.

One of the great ironies in the last year, brain dead David Brooks declaring that regular people shouldn't be allowed to vote. Yeah David, you got it, democracy is for the few, rather than the many.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 12:21 PM
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5. I saw a news
report that stated some of Mitt Romney's people are concerned that his hair is too perfect. I am not surprised that this is an issue for republican operatives. I'm sure they struggle with other totally meaningless issues.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 02:17 PM
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11. Don'tcha Know
that taking care of his hair will solve the problem of hunger in the world?
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 01:59 PM
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9. "Beauty contest"?
Edited on Mon Mar-26-07 02:01 PM by AchtungToddler
Your post reminded me of what Wes Clark said recently about his experiences in the 2004 primary campaign:

"We had a lawyer, a doctor, um, a general, we had an African-American man, we had an African-American woman, we had a governor. You know, we had everybody out there, and, it was like a beauty contest. And the amazing thing was that pretty soon, after about five or six debates, everybody started sounding just alike."
<snip>

"You were very generous to give me applause for what I said about education and health care and the work force, but I think almost every other Democratic candidate would say exactly the same thing. I know. I said it the last time I ran. It hasn't been done. It needs to be done.

"And we'd be making a big mistake if we made our decision between candidates on the basis of roman numeral three, sub-paragraph alpha... of their health care plan. You know, when you say you'll give fifty dollars deductable for people with incomes less than, than fifty thousand dollars a year, but he says he can pay that and there's no deductable, therefore I'll vote for him -- that's not what makes a successful president. What you've got to do is look at people's actions.


(pointing out that even when real issues are involved, people may still treat the decision like a beauty contest)
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 02:14 PM
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10. Yep
Haven't you heard people (pundits, politicians,commentators) say that issues like say health care just aren't sexy?
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 01:06 PM
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6. k&r
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 02:24 PM
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12. With you all the way on that.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 03:07 PM
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16. Ohio, Florida, New Mexico, Colorado -- where ever there are
colorful people.

:mad:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 03:36 PM
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17. Even some in NY.
This I know for sure.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 05:12 PM
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18. I probably should be better familiar with the Constitution




But popping into your thread anyway.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 06:56 PM
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19. I'm thinking that
today's news about Monica Goodling might inspire more folks to read that wonderful document!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 07:13 PM
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22. You can buy a Constitution booklet here:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 07:19 PM
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25. Great!
Many thanks.

Many years ago, as a young man, I worked in a "defense industry" factory. For some odd reason, the management made a rule that the workforce could not read inside the plant -- not even on their breaks or lunch hour. I used to carry a Constitution and Bible in my lunch bucket, and openly violated the rule. Had they fired me for reading either of these texts on my lunch hour, I would have contested it. I fully expected others to follow my example, but none did. The management opted to ignore me.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 07:29 PM
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26. You're welcome. I had to buy a copy for my son....he's in 8th grade
and picked up a copy for me and hubby. You never know when you'll need to whip that precious thing out and set someone straight.:) At $2.95 + $4.00 shipping each...it's a bargain. Something EVERY citizens should own!

I love this thread of yours, BTW.;)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 07:31 PM
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27. I like that
Senator Byrd carries one with him. Good sign.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:47 PM
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29. Thanks for the information
Wouldn't it be nice if they had those in motel rooms, instead of the bible.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 08:05 AM
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31. I LOVE the way you think!
Yes..That is a wonderful idea!

You're welcome for the info. :hi:
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 07:17 PM
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24. K & R. Keep fighting the good fight. nt
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 07:40 PM
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28. This is why Dennis Kucinich is a very special candidate.
Transparency in government, voting, and advocacy of each citizen's rights as outlined by the constitution.

Another very engaging essay H2Oman. K&R
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 11:35 PM
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30. K & R n/t
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 11:43 AM
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32. K&R - another great one H2O
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