If anybody is surprised about Republicans fighting this tooth and nail

[nadinbrzezinski]

then you have not been paying attention

They fought the New Deal... tooth and nail

They called FDR a socialist, a marxist and a communist, sometimes in the same breath

So they are using the same old tricks...

So if anybody is surprised at what is going on... I suggest you pick a good comprehensive history of the New Deal and the legislative history of it.

The difference is that a FEW Republicans did vote for the New Deal... only thing that's changed

That is all...

Damn who claimed history does not repeat itself?

[polichick]

1. Wasn't it the president who thought they would change??

I don't believe for one minute they'll change.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. If anything they've gotten worst

after all the few rational country before party were purged after Newt took over

[mwb970]

28. Maybe the president knew they wouldn't change.

Maybe he knew that if he made a sincere effort to include them and was rebuffed, he would then be free to ignore them later with the agreement of the American people, who have (or will) come to see the Republicans as obstructionist. Maybe he knows that after 2010 there will be a lot fewer of them to deal with as a result.

Maybe the president is smarter than his critics. Ya think?

[mod mom]

2. They did a little more than call FDR names:

1934: The Plot Against America
DEPARTMENT No Comment
BY Scott Horton
PUBLISHED July 28, 2007

I’m back from the land of heather and thistles, not to mention wee drams and lukewarm ale, but on my way out a friend at the BBC alerted me to this, a not-to-miss program on the BBC this morning, accessible over the next several days by internet. It’s the story of the Plot Against America. I don’t mean the Philip Roth novel, nor even the Sinclair Lewis book, It Can’t Happen Here, but rather the historical events upon which these two works of fiction were based.

In November 1934, federal investigators uncovered an amazing plot involving some two dozen senior businessmen, a good many of them Wall Street financiers, to topple the government of the United States and install a fascist dictatorship. Roth’s novel is developed from several strands of this factual account; he assumed the plot is actually carried out, whereas in fact an alert FDR shut it down but stopped short of retaliatory measures against the plotters. A key element of the plot involved a retired prominent general who was to have raised a private army of 500,000 men from unemployed veterans and who blew the whistle when he learned more of what the plot entailed. The plot was heavily funded and well developed and had strong links with fascist forces abroad. A story in the New York Times and several other newspapers reported on it, and a special Congressional committee was created to conduct an investigation. The records of this committee were scrubbed and sealed away in the National Archives, where they have only recently been made available.

The Congressional committee kept the names of many of the participants under wraps and no criminal action was ever brought against them. But a few names have leaked out. And one is Prescott Bush, the grandfather of the incumbent president. Prescott Bush was of course deep into the business of the Hamburg-America Lines, and had tight relations throughout this period with the new Government that had come to power in Germany a year earlier under Chancellor Aldoph Hitler. It appears that Bush was to have formed a key liaison for the group with the new German government.

Prescott Bush, of course, went on to service as a U.S. Senator from Connecticut, and his son, George H.W. Bush emerged from World War II as a hero.

-snip

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000651



The Whitehouse Coup
Monday 23 July 2007



The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.

Mike Thomson investigates why so little is known about this biggest ever peacetime threat to American democracy.




http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Of course they did... and as I type I expect

something like this in the works...

Or the impeachment of one Barack Hussein Obama... may I remind you that the Clinton Impeachment planning started the December of 1992?

[mod mom]

8. My guess would be the former, but then

I believe Bill Clinton was groomed and financed by Jackson Stephens and the same elitists (and their heirs) behind the coup of 1934. He sure did a lot of their dirty work that laid much of the groundwork for their fascist ambitions.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. what I wonder is WHEN will folks wake up to the true nature of the fascist

behind the power curve?

[rusty quoin]

12. "Bernie Marcus, the charismatic co-founder of Home Depot,"...

sounds like he'd happily join another plot:

"This is the demise of a civilization," said Marcus. "This is how a civilization disappears. I am sitting here as an elder statesman and I'm watching this happen and I don't believe it."

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/bail-out-money-being-used-corporations-

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. There are plots, inside plots, inside plots

I can bet on it

[cynatnite]

4. Repukes are party first....country second. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. The problem is that the folks in DC must get this through their heads

these folks are NO LONGER your father's republicans, who still were able to put the country first in some situations

Those rational people were kicked and purged out in the 1990s

[sandnsea]

7. They are big business first

second and only.

[dflprincess]

10. I'm not surprised

and I hope this wakes Obama and the Congressional Democrats up (I can dream). It's time to stop trying to reason with the obstructionists.

Obama is enjoying the highest approval rating any new president has ever had. He needs to use his popularity and take his case directly to the public while they're still willing to listen to him. He can let them know exactly what the Republicans are doing to the country. All the Democrats need to borrow some moves from the Republican playbook - and I think that begins with demonizing the word "conservative".

[sam sarrha]

11. here is why they wont change... >>Links>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4932776&mesg_id=4932976

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Good point reminds me of the study they did on conservatives

you can pretty much tell by the age of four...

No, I don't have a link handy...

[spindrifter]

13. I think they believe they are

fighting for their identity. They refuse to fight for the good of the nation.

[stillcool]

14. Probably the same families too..

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/

[terisan]

15. Let them be. If they don't vote for it, they can't claim success when it works. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. They DON'T want credit, they want to fight this

PERIOD

[sam sarrha]

27. they want to over throw the government and destroy the Constitution, do to us what they did to South

south america.. Shock Doctrine.. they gotta torture people to death

[notesdev]

16. I'm shocked

with the way they had a legislative pork love-fest when they were writing the bills, you'd think they'd offer this one their hand in marriage...

[Johonny]

21. me too

They spent the last 2 years dragging their feet like this. Delaying good bills, threatening filibusters blah, blah. The thought is Americans would get angry at congress and since Dems controlled congress they would eventually blame Dems for the congressional mess. Instead Americans voted even more Republicans out. The more Republicans stand up to Democrats in congress the more they lose. Who would think they would stand up in unison to a economic stimulus package that gave them things they wanted. It sounds like a great way to lose even more seats.

[iconicgnom]

20. Obama's political forsight never stops impressing me.

I'm a Canadian, and I can't say how happy I am that the US chose an community activist and intellectual for Pres. In this way alone, the US has redeemed itself - from well within the abyss itself the US rose to the occasion.

I'm not on the edge of my seat anymore. The Dems passed this bill, it's a good first step. To be sure, it's just a first days tourniquet to stop the bleeding. Now the Dems have time to take us into the future.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. I hope, knowing US history and the religious believes in the free market

from the wrong wing....

[MajorChode]

23. It's just history repeating itself

Not a single Republican voted for Clinton's Deficit Reduction Act of 1993.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993

This single piece of legislation created not only the record budget surpluses at the end of Clinton's presidency, but is also primarily responsible for the economic prosperity of the 90's.

As such not a single Republican can take credit for those accomplishments (even though they still try).

If Republicans want to be on the outside looking in when the economy finally does turn around because of Obama's efforts. That's fine with me. Republicans fuck up the economy, Democrats fix it. That's how it has been for the past 100 years.

[tavalon]

24. I believe the Republicans got played today

As long as the media lets the cat out of the bag, the Republicans will look like obstructionists during a time that is beginning to look a lot like the Great Depression. Not good for them politically at all.

[anonymous171]

25. Glad someone is pointing this out. The GOP has been wrong about everything from the start.

K&R :kick:

[Laelth]

26. Conservatives have fought against every social and political advance in the U.S. since 1789.

Nothing new there. Conservatives are always wrong.

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth

[mwb970]

29. Weren't right-wingers the Tories in the 18th century?

The ones who didn't even want America to exist as an independent country? And weren't they the Confederacy in the Civil War? The ones who wanted to split America in two? Weren't right wingers the ones who did business with Hitler during WWII (talking to you, Prescott)? And didn't they fight against the civil rights movement in the 1960s ("segregation forever" and all that)? And of course they were the ones who relentlessly promoted Bush's Folly in Iraq.

As far as I can tell, "right-wingers" or conservatives, or whatever you want to call them, have been on the wrong side of American history from before the beginning right up through the current day. It's easy to see the rot that came in with Reagan (yuck), but the fact is, they've been "bad to the bone" right along.

If I were religious, I would wonder why God cursed America with conservatives. Let us pray: "Lord Jesus, please save us from your followers".