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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 09:38 AM
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Bush Sent Rove a Letter Blocking His Appearance Before Congress
Edited on Tue Jan-27-09 09:41 AM by kpete
Bush Sent Rove a Letter Blocking His Appearance Before Congress
Written by Jason Leopold
Monday, 26 January 2009 15:03

House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers has followed through on a promise last year to continue an investigation into the role the Bush administration played in the decision to fire nine federal prosecutors and the alleged political prosecution of former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman by issuing a subpoena to a key figure believed to have played a role in both scandals: former White House political adviser Karl Rove.

“I have said many times that I will carry this investigation forward to its conclusion, whether in Congress or in court, and today’s action is an important step along the way,” Conyers said in a prepared statement. “Change has come to Washington, and I hope Karl Rove is ready for it. After two years of stonewalling, it’s time for him to talk.”

The subpoena demands that Rove appear before Congress for a deposition on Feb. 2, at 10 a.m.

But it appears unlikely Rove will show up to give testimony to the committee.

Rove’s attorney, Robert Luskin, told the Washington Post Monday that George W. Bush recently sent a letter to Rove and reasserted executive privilege claims in blocking him from appearing before Congress to testify. It’s unknown when Bush sent Rove the letter or whether it was specifically intended to respond to Congress’s anticipated subpoena for the former political adviser’s testimony about the U.S. Attorney firings. Luskin did not return calls or respond to e-mails for further comment about Bush’s letter.

more at:
http://www.pubrecord.org/politics/644-rove-subpoenaed-by-congress-for-testimony-in-us-attorney-firings.html
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/39331
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 09:40 AM
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1. You can't get a note from a nobody, and act like its a doctor's note.
ARREST HIM!
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 09:40 AM
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2. Why would I believe anything that Jason Leopold writes? He's like Drudge.
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 09:56 AM
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11. Please
Educate yourself before spouting off trash like that.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:08 AM
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14. JASON LEOPOLD GUARANTEED that Rove was going to be indicted by Patrick Fitzgerald!
Edited on Tue Jan-27-09 10:09 AM by Pryderi
Leopold ruined his rep, not me.

The only truth I *might* trust is that he quoted the Washington Post.
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:46 AM
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24. Must add
Leopold's editor, Marc Ash, stood solidly behind the story of Rove's indictment. We really don't know what happened. Personally, I believe that the indictment was indeed drawn up to file on Friday afternoon, and for some unknown reason, Fitzgerald postponed it. Why? Who knows.

Back to 2009, Leopold is a tireless reporter and does not deserve to be compared to Drudge. Have you visited his web site www.pubrecord.org? That's proof of his hard work. Buzzflash.com constantly uses his reporting.

I think you are being too harsh and following some misguided hype from the past.

Peace.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 08:01 PM
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38. I think I know what happened.
Just like previously in his career, Leopold lied like the lying bastard he is and Ash believed him. To call Leopold a "journalist" or a "reporter" is an insult to the profession.
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MissHoneychurch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 09:40 AM
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3. How can * block Rove from the Congress
now that he isn't pResident anymore?
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 09:40 AM
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4. And so the great question - can Bush's protection extend beyond his Presidency?
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 09:43 AM
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5. When you ain't the executive you can't claim executive privilege
Can ya?
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 09:48 AM
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7. I suspect you can
Obviously only limited to issues that occurred or involved actions and policies during your time as chief executive. His problem of course is that he can't claim executive privilege from the chief executive and the Justice department. Ultimately, that will be where his trouble would lie. The could collect information and then choose to release it to Congress. Obama hasn't indicated he'd be particularly interested in doing so.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 09:51 AM
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8. No, but if Obama wishes to be able to protect his own people he might protect Rove
If Obama does not extend executive privilege to Rove as an adviser to the Office of the President - because the President must have the ability to receive information or opinions from people unfettered by the taint of prospective persecution, we are told - just as he would to his own staff.

If he doesn't protect Rove now how will he be able to make his own claim for executive privilege when the time comes?
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:09 AM
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15. I can imagine how the argument goes.
The idea behind executive privilege is that the Pres and his advisors need to feel complete comfort in exchanging ideas, and that publicizing their conversations infringes on that. If that's the standard, then the fact that their remarks would be publicized after the administration leaves office doesn't really change the equation. If you'd bite your tongue if your remarks would go public now or next week, you're likely to bite your tongue if they're to be publicized in a few years.

The real problem with executive privilege is that it is total bullshit from start to finish. If public scrutiny causes presidential advisors to hold back advice that is illegal or immoral, that can only be a good thing.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:15 AM
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18. The difference is
It doesn't matter now if Rove bites his tongue. The man he advised is no longer president. He's not the head of the executive branch anymore. The fact the free flow of ideas from his advisers might be compromised doesn't matter.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:28 AM
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21. But it will have a chilling effect on current and future administrations, so the argument would go.
If executive privilege means anything, it would have to be a permanent condition even for former administrations.

Again, I am against the concept completely. But if Rove can be compelled to testify, it follows that any Obama advisor can be in eight years too. Therefore, they might be reticent to give their full counsel to him. Thus, the privilege is meaningless in the long term to any administration.
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:15 AM
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28. Or, they could simply follow the law. That might help.
Providing council and being afraid of getting called before congress are notions predicated on the idea that the administration is doing something illegal.

That simply can not be allowed in a free and open society.

Rove gets to testify, as does any other administration functionary...
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:24 AM
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31. I don't disagree, I'm just extrapolating how the legal argument will go.
As I've stated, I think the whole concept of Executive Privilege is bunk.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:15 AM
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29. How chilling an effect did it have on the "Torture pResident" after so many of Clinton's
close personal aids had to testify before Congress. Didn't seem to matter one whit to Republicans at the time..
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:27 AM
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32. No one ever accused them of being consistent in their legal arguments.
They will use any argument at their disposal to avoid revealing anything about their actions. Just sayin'.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 12:25 PM
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36. I don't agree
It only has a chilling effect if you break the law. Other than that in general your advisers don't usually get called back to congress. Congress has oversight ability and in general focus on overseeing the current administration. It in general rarely looks backwards unless there is an overwhelming reason to do so. Which is why the rethugs loved calling on the Clinton Whitehouse over such things as Sox the cats christmas mailing list, but was not very interested in any of these people once they left office.
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 09:43 AM
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6. WTH - Does Bush not understand
he's not running things anymore. Damn the note - get your raggedy butt up there as requested or take your ugly mug to jail.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 09:53 AM
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9. Oh, this is getting interesting......
:popcorn:


Congress = 0 ( again)
Rove = 1

Conyers, your move.

Any predictions on how this will turn out?

My vote is Rethugs will play for time with lots of court filings.

My hope is Conyers will use power of Congress and send a marshall after Rove, then let the Courts chatter about it.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 09:55 AM
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10. Jail Bush for obstruction. n/t
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:00 AM
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12. But does "the letter" have any legal standing?
Just because Bush writes some letter, that doesn't mean it has any power legally. Maybe a judge should decide whether or not a former President can prevent a private citizen from testifying before congress. I wonder if there's ever been such a case.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:03 AM
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13. I guess it depends on who you ask. I'm sure Scalia, Thomas, etc. all think it's perfectly legal.
Now sane people on the other hand would probably disagree.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:12 AM
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17. It would certainly test his notion of literal interpretation
In the last month how many times did both George Bush and Barack Obama proclaim openly that 'there is only one President at a time"? If that's true - as stated by both the current and previous Presidents - then Scalia would probably say its now Obama's call and Bush has no more say in the matter than you or I.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:19 AM
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19. Unfortunately these people are not known for their consistency. "Oh yeah sure
state rights except when it comes to state supreme courts and recounts and anything else I don't like."
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:34 AM
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22. "Now sane people on the other hand would probably disagree."
We'll see what Obama and congress have to say on the subject.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:12 AM
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16. Perhaps they should subpoena private citizen Bush?
And let him claim "executive privilege", as if he were still the President?
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:21 AM
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20. Here's the original Washington Post story
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:43 AM
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23. A broken clock is correct twice every 24 business hours
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:49 AM
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25. True, but you need a working clock to verify the time.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:54 AM
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26. Jonathan Turley was talking about this on Olberman last night. He said
it would most likely have to go to court and they most likely would side with Obama since he is now the executive.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:57 AM
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27. GROUNDHOG'S DAY KARL!!11
:rofl:
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:22 AM
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30. ARREST THE MOTHERFUCKER
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:28 AM
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33. karl is now a private citizen, how could he defy a subpoena?
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 12:05 PM
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34. Ohh, a scoop from Jason Leopold!? I'm sure it will be confirmed in 24 business hours.
Why anyone reads (much less believes) a word he says at this point baffles me.
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 12:16 PM
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35. I dunno. Has it been
24 business hours yet?

:rofl:
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 07:59 PM
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37. Jason Leopold is a gigantic douche
and anyone that listens to that "journalist" just doesn't get it.
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