Support Creationism, help keep conservatives dumb

[Raydawg1234]

I think that we all should should secretly support creationism. I can't think of a better way to ensure that future generations of conservatives remain dumb, ignorant, and totally incapable of any type of governance.

just for shits and giggles: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1767643/posts

[aquart]

1. Oh, honey, they don't need help.

[Initech]

10. Ding ding ding!!!

Conservatives will remain woefully ignorant and continue to blindly support the party line for generations to come. No conservatively-run administration has proven themselves more incompetent than this one!

[Turbineguy]

2. You know,

you gotta respect a guy who can create something a mere 6000 years ago and make it look like it's a billion years old.

Kind of like those painters that fake Rembrandt's.

Oops... does that mean they think that God is a forger?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. Give your heart to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Two thousand years from now we'll be a major world religion. Then we'll show who's boss!

[pdrichards114]

6. I've been touched by his noodly appendage- Awrrr!

[originalpckelly]

8. When do you think the Antipasto will show up?

And do you think it will cause me to lose my appetite for his noodliness?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. Antipasto can be kept away...

by constant masturbation and occasional premarital sex.

[Jackpine Radical]

18. Eh?

Come again?

[wizstars]

4. Ever get the feeling some of the monkeys just didn't quite make the jump??

...or maybe fell on their heads?

[sutz12]

5. Well, if you can figure a way so it's only THEIR kids, I might agree.

The thing is, they want to teach our kids that crap. That's the nono to me.

Gotta draw a line somewhere.

[Raydawg1234]

7. Sometimes I forget that I'm from a Blue state where this crap has never been an issue

[walldude]

9. Check out the movie Idiocrasy it takes the dumbing down

logic to it's extreme. A future of morans.

[Initech]

13. Hell yes!

One of my recent favorite movies. Mike Judge doesn't have a positive outlook for our future, does he?

[Raydawg1234]

15. extreme? They keypads on the McDonalds cash registers already look like that

[silverweb]

12. I very rarely visit FR...

... for fear of contaminating my computer -- but that thread was worth the risk!

:rofl:

[MissB]

16. You know, some of them were downright funny.

Like the poster who suggested that all stories of creation should be taught.

Although the instant petrification tidbit was hilarious too.

[silverweb]

22. Yes!

Hysterical.

[Lawrence]

14. I'd rather not subject "conservative" children to that nonsense

I think at that age they might still have hope

[yardwork]

17. My favorite exchange in the entire thread

Not to mention we have modern examples of instant pertification that when tested show falsly long dates. but oh well-

Mt. St. Helens comes to mind.
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What is "pertification" - ???

:rofl:

[ProgressiveFool]

21. "pertification"

A process undergone to instill impertinence in a body lacking such a quality.

edit: spelling - oh the irony!

[MissB]

19. Darksided!!!!!!

"It is so much more fascinating to look at the complex dna code which is responsible for more involved actions than a computer code and see that it must have been created by a super intelligence than to just write it off as a natural process. It's just the darkside of people that causes them to think that." - FR poster "fabian" who apparently has watched one too many Wife Swap episodes.

[Lawrence]

20. vvv

that thread is an abomination of course but at least it can be redeemed by a few posters who argue the right ideas. Most noticeably 'central scrutinizer'

[imax2268]

23. I saw that

documentary on HBO about the "Friends Of God"...and this guy was telling impressionable "young" children that Dinosaurs didn't exist...and he had pictures of monkeys with human faces on them and asking did they look like this and that...

It made me so angry that this guy was basically "brainwashing" these little kids...

[Lord Byron]

24. At least some of them know it's ridiculous

I'm a religious individual myself, but this is stupidity. Kudos to the brave Freepers who agree with us.

[Az]

25. Ice Cores

Every year a new layer of ice is laid down at the south pole. As the ice never thaws the layers are intact going back thousands of years. As each season passes the temperature varies throughout the year resulting in variances in the density of the ice. This results in a visible difference in each layer. If you drill down through the ice and remove a core you can literally count the years by counting each layer of ice.

This is down all the time. We can count back into our past by examining these Ice Cores. The sample taken at the Epica research facility is the deepest Ice Core we have to date. And it takes us back well over 720,000 years.

The Young Earth Creationists cannot dismiss this as part of the supposed Carbon Dating problem for the simple reason that it is not used. It is just a matter of counting the layers of ice in the sample. There is no break in them (as one would expect if there had been a global flood). They are contiguous all the way back to 720,000 years ago.

So there.

[Raydawg1234]

27. they're not gonna let stupid little facts get in the way of their delusion!

[ContraBass Black]

26. "...and we all know how 'accurate' carbon dating is..."

"and we all know how 'accurate' carbon dating is- Heck there are any number of different dating methods that are more accurate and disprove carbon dating. Not to mention we have modern examples of instant pertification that when tested show falsly long dates. but oh well-..."

Huh?

[jazzjunkysue]

28. Just another reason to have to apologize for Kentucky.....

We need to get some fresh DNA in there, stat. Anyone check the drinking water recently?

[upi402]

29. LOL, great idea. It's just that they insist on company

If there were a way they could be constrained from ramming their ignorant delusions down our throats...

then okay fer sure!

[upi402]

30. reality based eyes only

If you're saying that when you look at the skeletons of the early Hominoids (for example), that you can not actually visually distinguish ANY gradual transitions (a.k.a. Evolution) of skulls from 18 mya (million years ago) towards the skulls of Homo Sapiens.

Ok. …. I would like to show you skeletal evidence of gradual transitions (Evolution) of hominoids during the past 18 million years. To make things easier to visualize, I will just show you the skulls of hominoids. (I compiled all the stuff I'm about to show you from a number of different Web sites. This post is not a compilation of large sections from any one site.)

BEFORE I do that, it is IMPORTANT to look at and understand a “Tree” of the showing the Phylogenetic relationships of hominoid species that did and did not lead toward Homo Sapiens. If you are not familiar with that Tree, you will not be able to differentiate which URLs, depict skulls of species that lead toward the evolution of Homo Sapiens. Several species simply became extinct, and did not lead toward Homo Sapiens.

Evolutionary Phylogenetic Relationships (Tree) of Hominids
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html and (Tree)
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/alt_tree2.html and (alternate for a portion of Tree above)
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/africomp.html and (for further info)
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/robust.html (for further info).

I will begin with showing you a single Web pages that contains pictures of ONLY SOME OF THE KNOWN extinct hominoid species skulls. NOT ALL of the skulls shown on the Web page below, actually lead towards the Evolution of Homo Sapiens. Note also that, NOT ALL species of known mostly extinct hominoids are shown on the Web pages below! SEVERAL extinct hominoid species are NOT SHOWN on the Web page below, BUT WILL BE SHOWN on individual Web pages referenced further down in this post.

Front View: http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution...kulls_front.htm
Side View: http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution...skulls_side.htm
Bottom View: http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution...ulls_bottom.htm
Top View: http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution.../skulls_top.htm
Virtual View: http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution...kulls/index.htm

BELOW IS AN almost COMPLETE LIST (as of 2/25/04), WITH URL’s to PICTURES OF SKULLS of known extinct hominid species (in chronological order from oldest to most recent) beginning 17-18 million years ago (mya) and progressing to the present time. A few species were omitted, but fossils for them can be found at: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/typespec.html

Please read the following 5 IMPORTANT NOTES.

NOTE 1: NOT ALL hominoids mentioned below are ancestors of Homo Sapiens. In other words, some of the hominoids listed below did NOT lead toward the evolution of Homo Sapiens.

NOTE2: A number of these species lived side by side, and that some dates overlap in the same, AND in differing locations.

NOTE 3: The details and pictures for the list of hominoids were compiled (by myself) from the following Web Sites (run by reputable institutions):
http://artemis.austincollege.edu/acad/bio/....evolution.html and
http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution/skulls and
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html and
http://www.talkorigins.org

NOTE 4: The evolution toward modern day monkeys, apes, and old world monkeys
is not depicted.

NOTE 5: SOME INTERESTING AND INFORMATIVE additional information is provided below for each of the species. Note also that, where tool making is mentioned, it indicates tools were found
beside the skeleton(s).

NOTE: 6: A few species were omitted, but fossils for them can be found at:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/typespec.html

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A brief Anthology of Hominoids From 17-18 million years ago (mya), with
URL’s to a Skull of each Species
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Species: Proconsul Heseloni
Skull: http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution...s/proconsul.htm
Species: Proconsul Africanus
Skull: http://www.toyen.uio.no/palmus/galleri/mon...nglish/x527.htm
NOTE: 1 additional Proconsul species existed, but I don’t have pictures for it.
(Walker et al 1983, Nature 305:525-527)
• 18-17 mya
• Kenya
• skull, forelimb, hand, foot; 800 fossils exist; 9 complete skulls; skeletons from babies to adults
• quadrapedal
• brain size 154-181 cm3
• extreme protruding jaw
• 2 additional Proconsul types existed and varied in size from each other.


Species: Kenyapithecus (a.k.a. Kenyanthropus platyops )
Skull:
http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/wt40000.html
(McCrossin and Benefit 1993, PNAS 90:1962-1966)
• 14 mya
• teeth, skull, arm, foot bones
• 36 kg.
• thick enamel
• could move arms above head; ancestor to Gorilla, Pan, Homo


Species: Otavipithecus namibiensis
Skull:
AND

BOTH identified on Web Page:
http://www.ivry.cnrs.fr/deh/gommery/gommery.htm
(Conroy et al 1992, Nature 356:144-148)
• 13 mya
• Namibia
• jaw fragments and mandible
• thin enamel
• weighed 14-20 kg.
• lived 10 years


Species: Dryopithecus laetanus
Skull:
Jpg used on Web Page: http://webs.sinectis.com.ar/mcagliani/dryopith.htm
Jaw: http://fossils.valdosta.edu/fossil_pages/f...ls_ter/p16.html
(Moya-Sola and Kohler 1996, Nature 370:156-159)
• 9.5 mya
• Europe
• powerful arms with wide range of motion, large hands, short legs
• possibly related to Pongo or African Great Apes


Species: Oreopithecus bambolii
Skeleton: http://www.toyen.uio.no/palmus/galleri/mon...nglish/x616.htm
(Kohler and Moya-Sola 1997, PNAS 94:1747-1750)
• 9-7 mya
• Italy
• believed to be bipedal­back arches forward, knee is vertically aligned, big toe extends out 90 making movement slow


Species: Sivapithecus indicus
Skull: http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution...ivapithecus.htm
10 - 7 mya approximately
Northern Pakistan, north-west India


Species: Orrorin tugenensis
Bone Fragments: http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/lukeino.html
6.2-5.65 myr
North Africa
bipedalism is not particularly clear


Species: Ardipithecus ramidus
Skull: http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/ara-vp-1-129.html
http://www.msu.edu/~heslipst/contents/ANP440/ramidus.htm
(White et al 1994, Nature 371:306-312)
• 5-4 mya
• Ethiopia
• shares hominid features such as: v-shaped canines, large molars, incisors, and premolars


Species: Australopithecus anamensis
Skull: http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/kp29281.html
http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/kp29283.html
http://faculty.vassar.edu/piketay/evolution/KNMKP.html
AND
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/africomp.html
(Leakey et al 1998 Nature 393:62-66; Leakey et al 1995 Nature 376:565-71)
• 4 mya
• Kenya
• skull, two lower jaws, upper jaw, lower face, upper and lower thirds of tibia,
• teeth share characteristics of both chimps and hominids
• share tibia with hominids; share lower jaw with chimps


Species: Australopithecus bahrelghazali
Jaw: http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/kt12-h1.html
3.0 and 3.5 mya
Chad, Africa


Species: Australopithecus afarensis
Skull: http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution...a_afarensis.htm
AND
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/africomp.html
(Kimbel et al 1994 Nature 386:449-451)
• 3.5 - 3.0 mya
• Ethiopia
• bipedal, massive skull, large canines, long toes, long forearms, looked like chimpanzee
• brain size 1/3 modern human
• both large and small bones found; sexual dimorphism?
• most likely ancestor is Australopithecus anamensis


Species: Australopithecus africanus
Skull: http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution...a_africanus.htm
http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/taung.html
AND
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/afri.html
(Clark and Tobias, 1995 Science 269:521-524)
• 2.8 - 2.3 mya
• South Africa
• smaller canines, less projecting muzzle,
• brain size 525 cm3
• sometimes bipedal, sometimes arboreal…possibly two species?
• not descendant of Australopithecus afarensis


Species: Australopithecus garhi
Skull: http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/bou-vp-12-130.html
2.5 mya
Central Africa


Species: Paranthropus aethiopicus
Skull: http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/aeth.html
http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/wt17000.html
2.5 - 2.7mya
East Africa


Species: Paranthropus boisei (formerly australopithecus boisei)
Skull: http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution...ls/p_boisei.htm
http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/oh5.html
Eastern Africa
2.3 - 1.2 mya
Cranial capacity : 450 - 550cc
These hominids may have used stone tools


Species: Paranthropus robustus
Skull: http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/rob.htm
http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/sk48.html
(Susman 1988 Science 240:781-784)
• 2 – 1.2 mya
• opposable thumb, small brain, large teeth
No tool use

Species: Homo rudolfensis
Skull: http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution...rudolfensis.htm
Eastern Africa
2.4 - 1.9 mya
Cranial capacity : 750 - ca 800cc
There is some evidence that Homo rudolfensis made and used stone tools


Species: Homo habilis was a different species that lived alongside Homo rudolfensis.
Skull: http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/hab.html
Eastern Africa
2.4 - 1.9 mya
cranial capacity of 680cc


Species: Homo georgicus
Skull: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/d2700.html
Discovered in 2001 at Dmanisi in Georgia.
Estimated age is 1.8 million years.
It consisted of a mostly complete skull, including a lower jaw (D2735) belonging to the same individual. (Vekua et al. 2002, Balter and Gibbons 2002)
At around 600 cc, this is the smallest and most primitive hominid skull ever discovered outside of Africa. This skull and two others discovered nearby form a near-perfect transition between H. habilis and ergaster.


Species: Homo ergaster
(formerly referred to as Homo erectus "Java Man", which is a species confined to eastern Asia)
Skull: http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution.../h_ergaster.htm
http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/er3733.html
• 1.8 - 1.5 mya
• found in Africa
Cranial capacity : 800 - 850cc
• bipedal
• low, broad, elongated skull…heavy facial architecture
• post-cranial skeleton identical to modern humans
• evidence of coexistence with Homo sapiens for several thousand years
• fire (hearth), hand axes, stone flakes,
These hominids may have been hunters and made and used purpose-specific stone tools


Species: Homo antecessor
Skull:
http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/grandolina.html
• 800,000 — 780,000 ya
• 80 fossils found in Spain: ribs, vertebrae, radius, patella, teeth, mandible
• bipedal…
• shared facial characteristics of modern Homo sapiens smaller canines, projecting nose and midface, sunken cheekbones
• also shared ancestral facial characteristics: prominent brow ridge, multiple roots for premolars
• simple tools found…used to scrape meat off bones
• believed to be last common ancestor to both modern humans and Neanderthal


Species: Homo erectus (sometimes now referred to as Homo pekinensis “Peking man”)
Skull: http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution...s/h_erectus.htm
Skull (& Body): http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/wt15000.html
Eastern Asia
0.5 - 0.3 mya in China, 1.0 - ca.0.3 mya in Java
500,000 - 300,000 ya
Cranial capacity: 1,043cc
These hominids were hunters, made and used purpose-specific stone tools and are credited with early use of fire


Species: Homo sapiens heidelbergensis
Skull: http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution...elbergensis.htm
• 300,000 - 200,000 ya
• Throughout old world
Cranial capacity: 1,300cc
• heavy architecture…thick brow ridge…resembles Neanderthal
• These hominids made and used highly modified stone tools, practised co-operative hunting, may have had limited language skills and religious beliefs and may have cared for the aged and weak


Species: Homo sapiens neanderthalensis
Skull: http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution...erthalensis.htm
(Krings et al 1997, Cell 90:19-30)
Europe and western Asia…glacial conditions
• 300,000 - 30,000 ya
Cranial capacity: 1200 - 1750cc
• most bones of 32 individuals found in Spain; 13 individuals found in France; hyoid bone found in Israel suggesting sophisticated speech
• evolved from Homo erectus of Europe
• believed to have coexisted with Cro-Magnon
• tools, burial, care of ill, intelligent behavior,
• separate branch from Homo sapiens
• short, stocky, big faces, large front teeth
These hominids lived at a similar time as Homo erectus but in a different part of the world. They made and used highly modified stone tools, practised co-operative hunting, had limited language skills and religious beliefs and cared for the aged and weak


Species: Homo sapiens sapiens (Cro-Magnon)
Skull: http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/cromagnon.html
• 120,000 ya
• Africa, Middle East, France, Spain,
• sophisticated tool kit
• advanced artwork: decorated tools, beads, ivory carvings, musical instruments, cave paintings,
• not ancestor of Neanderthal; shared common ancestor; may have coexisted or existed separately
• speech, cleanliness, burial (symbolic thought),
• physically identical to modern humans…same brain size


Species: Homo sapiens sapiens -- Anatomically modern humans
Skull: http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution...s/h_sapiens.htm
(Nei, 1995 PNAS 92:6720-2)
• Single African Origin Theory 125,000 ya
• divergence of the races 100,000 ya
• Theory of Alternative Regional Community races evolved independently under separate selection pressures
• brain size = 1400 cm3 = 85.4 in3
• ancestors brain doubled in size over 2,000,000 years
• tools and communication arose 2.5 mya
• religion, art, advanced language arose 40,000 — 30,000 ya


For more information about:

Skulls:

http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution...s/more_info.htm
http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/hominids.html

Another Tree of Hominoids:

Human Evolution:

http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution/about.htm
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html
http://www.modernhumanorigins.com
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/specimen.html#ramidus


Species:: (Current day) Gorilla
Skull: http://www.amonline.net.au/human_evolution...lls/gorilla.htm
Africa
These primates have the ability to learn & conceptualize
Cranial Capacity: 450 - 600cc