Pakistan calls on U.S. to halt air strikes.

[rug]

ISLAMABAD (Pakistan) - PAKISTAN urged President Barack Obama to halt US missile strikes on al-Qaeda strongholds near the Afghan border, saying on Saturday that civilians were killed the previous day in the first attacks since Mr Obama's inauguration.

Pakistani security officials said eight suspected foreign militants, including an Egyptian al-Qaeda operative, were among 22 people killed in Friday's twin strikes in the Waziristan region.

But the Foreign Ministry said that the attacks by unmanned aircraft also killed an unspecified number of civilians and that it had informed US officials of its 'great concern'.

'With the advent of the new US administration, it is Pakistan's sincere hope that the United States will review its policy and adopt a more holistic and integrated approach toward dealing with the issue of terrorism and extremism,' a ministry statement said.

'We maintain that these attacks are counterproductive and should be discontinued,' it said.

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Asia/Story/STIStory_330525.html

[tekisui]

1. This is interesting:

Asif Ali Zardari, the Pakistani president, and General Ashfaq Kayani, the chief of Pakistan's military, met David Petraeus, the US Central Command chief, in Islamabad on Tuesday to discuss ways that the US could assist the country in combating extremism.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2009/01/2009123144715473921.html

Petraeus meets with Zardari on Tuesday, drone strikes come on Friday. I wonder what was said between the two.

[tyne]

2. Maybe they should

spend their energy rounding up their terrorists.

[Fire Walk With Me]

5. If we know where they are, why can't Pakistanis round them up

and completely avoid civilian casualties?

[lonestarnot]

22. Perhaps Pakistan said no.

:shrug:

[kenny blankenship]

24. No

The situation in Pakistan is much more precarious than generally admitted in US media. The coastal city of Karachi is already partially under the domination of Pakistan's version of the Taliban. (Which means they probably have some form of resupply route over the sea) In certain sections of Karachi they rule the streets. They are the police --with checkpoints and the whole deal, especially after dark. The "Taliban" presence in Karachi is a dagger point at the throat of the country: do the wrong thing and they will push the dagger in. Meanwhile their mountain base, the entire border province of Waziristan, is beyond the reach of the govt. in Islamabad. The tribal people in the hill country don't necessarily view themselves as owing allegiance to the government in the lowlands, which makes for an exploitable division. Throughout history colonialists and insurgents alike have been able to identify and exploit the tension between highlander tribes and the dominant group of the country which tends to live in the flatland near the water. The British found tribes they could "work with" in Malaysia. We exploited tensions like these in Vietnam, Laos, and Nicaragua. In S.E. Asia we exploited the resentments of the Hmong people. In Nicaragua we exploited the resentments of the Miskito tribes. As we all know, the US exploited the same kind of division in Afghanistan, backing tribes in the hills against the Soviet backed government in the flatland. This time the hillbilly vs. flatlanders split is being used against us. Pakistan is much more advanced than Laos or Cambodia were in the 1960s, but like them it's also a country that can't control all of its border territories. Pakistan has deployed as many as 90,000 men into Waziristan and have been pushed out. They have garrison points there but they don't exercise control over the areas in between. To control a large area you need a road network, to move force around, to police the area, and to resupply your garrisons. In Waziristan the road network consists of two highways over which convoys of army trucks can travel. They wind endlessly in mountains and there are 10,000 chances for an ambush. Convoys of 50 men in armored vehicles and trucks disappear in Waziristan never to be seen again. Actually the men turn up frequently, but their heads do not. This places a certain drag on Pakistani military morale. The government has enough on its hands with possible heads of state being assassinated, former heads of state posing a constant coup d'etat danger, and so forth that it doesn't feel strong enough to keep kicking the hornet's nest in Waziristan. They don't want the US coming in, since they do not want to become another Iraq. About the best they can manage is to cordon the area off, which is in its way a backhanded acknowledgment of the real problem. The real problem is that Waziristan like Afghanistan exists in a perpetual dark ages. When you try to change the people living there you just end up killing them, and they kill you.

[Fire Walk With Me]

25. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

[kenny blankenship]

26. The Fubar in Pakistan is like baklava: more layers than you can count.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

31. Why only 2 Recommends?

It seems to me that we need to quit meddling in other countries.

After all, didn't we help Pakistan go nuclear?

[rug]

3. Good question.

This story cites unnnamed sources in the Foreign Ministry. Either there's a schism in the Pakistani government or whatever was contemplated Tuesday became unexpectedly messy on Friday.

[lonestarnot]

12. Probably not enough or the wrong stuff apparently.

[TahitiNut]

37. It's entirely conceivable that the Pakistani leadership gave secret approval for the strikes ...

... while expressing dissatisfaction just short of hostile condemnation publicly, in order to keep the political lid on in a nearly autonomous region (tribal area) like Waziristan.

We must always remember that Pakistan, like other countries in the Middle East and South Asia, has borders that reflect a British colonial rule ... borders that helped perpetuate a political instability of the indigenous population which facilitated colonial rule. It's the same ol' "divide and conquer" strategy of old. With the advent of reactive nationalistic inclinations, such a condition serves autocratic interests in opposition to democratic interests. Global corporatism strongly favors autocratic regimes in resource-rich or strategically-located countries. (They're easier to bribe and control.)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waziristan

[FatDave]

38. That makes the most sense.

A deal was made between the Pakistani government and the US on tuesday. We attacked these targets with their knowledge, possibly based on information they provided, and we are providing them with deniability.

[tekisui]

44. That game can only last so long.

More strikes and more denials will wear out any cover the Pakistani government has.

[malaise]

4. THe US does not have the right to be bombing anywhere

in Pakistan - that is an act of war. This is so whether I support the President or not.

[rug]

6. Particulary if the Pakistani government doesn't want to be bombed.

[lonestarnot]

13. Aren't the 9/11ers hiding in those parts?

[bigtree]

23. this appears to be an attempt to strike out at the resistance to U.S. presence in Afghanistan

. . . at the Pakistan border.

The standard practice of the military is to label the individuals they kill from the air as 'militants', in much the same way they initially claim everyone in Iraq they kill is 'insurgent'. But, I'd bet my house that there's absolutely no connection between the claimed targets of these attacks and the perpetrators, or orchestrator of 9-11.

[lonestarnot]

28. I don't know what the fuck to believe, we've been lied to so many fucking times!

:grr:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

30. Afghanistan could be Obama's Vietnam

we need to let sovereign countries alone.

[lonestarnot]

32. Someone didn't leave us alone on 9/11/2001.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

39. oh, so lets go bomb the hell out of another country

there's no other possible way to deal with this, nooooo.

[stillcool]

45. Me neither...but Musharraff has been..

taking heat for quite a while now, with the not so subtle murmurs that he is on his way out. I don't even attempt to discern any truth any more. Body counts is the closest I come to facts, and even those are manipulated.

[Canuckistanian]

7. This shit has got to stop

If the US has intelligence that Al Qaeda is operating in Pakistani locations, that information should be shared.

And if a strike is warranted, the Pakistanis should agree with that assessment.

As the situation stands now, the Pakistani military would be justified in shooting down US drones or warplanes.

This is an outrageous assault on Pakistan's sovereignty.

[tan guera]

17. Let's not forget

that Pakistan has nukes. The drone attack was foolish, dangerous and MOTS bush policy.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

40. and we helped them get Nukes

the Drone attack was done on Obama's watch

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

8. This is George Bush Styled Behavior: US attacks any sovereign country we want

I thought we were going to respect the sovereignty of other countries?

Pakistan protests US drone attacks

Politics 1/24/2009 4:04:00 PM

ISLAMABAD, Jan 24 (KUNA) Pakistan Saturday lodged strong protest with the United States over the latest missile attacks on its territory, which came only days after Barack Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of the US.
President Asif Ali Zardari met with the US ambassador, Anne Patterson, and strongly condemned the unilateral US missile attacks, official sources told KUNA.

At least twenty people including near ten Arab militants were killed Friday evening in two US missile attacks in South and North Waziristan tribal agencies.

Sources said that the President conveyed Pakistan's concerns to the US regarding unabated missile attacks in the bordering tribal region, which are creating disturbance in other parts of the country as well.

He said only Pakistani forces are allowed to take action against militants in their territory. He hoped that the new US administration will stop the drone attacks.

(end) amn.ajs KUNA 241604 Jan 09NNNN

So do we continue the George Bush NeoCON policies of attacking other countries?

What if another country fired missiles into ours? Would that be ok?

[lib2DaBone]

9. Halt? Hell, we're funding both sides of the war....

Viva La Haliburton!

[lonestarnot]

10. You've had about 8 years Pakistan, time ran out on you I guess.

[rug]

11. I see, there's a time limit on sovereignty.

[lonestarnot]

14. No, the taliban and 9/11ers are purportedly hanging out there aren't they? And didn't they do the

World Trade Centers with help from the Saudis and bushitlers? OBL is a Saudi and when they let him run away, didn't he go there where we are bombing?

[rug]

16. No they were proportedly hanging out in Iraq.

[lonestarnot]

18. No the ones who left the mountain at Torra Borra (sp?) went to Pakistan.

[kenny blankenship]

42. Which was Nixon's reasoning in invading Cambodia

But that turned out ok...

It can seem justified a thousand times over, it may seem like the only solution to an important problem, but that doesn't mean it will work out like you want it to.

[Stinky The Clown]

15. I hope I don't run out .........

[rug]

19. There's always two sides to sending armed drones into civilian populations.

[lonestarnot]

20. LOL

:popcorn: I want to see what I can learn here.

[tan guera]

21. Obama's silence on this

is ominous.

[Occam Bandage]

27. Occam Bandage calls on Pakistan to actually govern its country. nt

[lonestarnot]

29. Does anyone do that there?

[Occam Bandage]

34. There is no government currently exercising any degree of control whatsoever

in the border region. Not Afghanistan, not Pakistan, not the United States.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

33. It's the continuation of a failed policy in a lost war that will start another war.

The geniuses at the Pentagon and the politicians never fail to throw kerosene on a raging fire.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

41. yep, like Vietnam to Lyndon Johnson

Obama should remember that lesson.

No one has been successful in invading and CONQUERING these middle eastern
countries.

They will expel us as they have done to all invaders from various countries.

[RB TexLa]

35. In other news: US calls on Pakistan to establish and moniter it's borders

[janx]

36. Yeah, right... n/t

[bvar22]

43. I don't know what to believe, but I DO know this:

We will NEVER be able to Bomb Our Way to Peace in this region.
Lets try something else.

[NNN0LHI]

46. Perhaps we will find bin Laden hiding in his magic cave in Pakistan?

:crazy: