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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:32 PM
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Hey Obama! You need to shatter the covert action arm of the CIA
And scatter the pieces to wind. Got that? The Directorate of Operations needs to be no more. Or better yet, just disband the entire CIA.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:33 PM
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1. Now that would be change!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:38 PM
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2. Alot of what the CIA used to do..
the Pentagon does now.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Military_Budget/Mega_Pentagon.html
The Mega-Pentagon: A Bush-Enabled Monster We Can't Stop
The Pentagon has developed a taste for unrivaled power and unequaled access to the treasury that won't be easily undone by future administrations.
by Frida Berrigan, Tomdispatch.com
www.alternet.org/, May 28, 2008

A full-fledged cottage industry is already focused on those who eagerly await the end of the Bush administration, offering calendars, magnets, and t-shirts for sale as well as counters and graphics to download onto blogs and websites. But when the countdown ends and George W. Bush vacates the Oval Office, he will leave a legacy to contend with. Certainly, he wills to his successor a world marred by war and battered by deprivation, but perhaps his most enduring legacy is now deeply embedded in Washington-area politics -- a Pentagon metastasized almost beyond recognition.
The Pentagon's massive bulk-up these last seven years will not be easily unbuilt, no matter who dons the presidential mantle on January 19, 2009. "The Pentagon" is now so much more than a five-sided building across the Potomac from Washington or even the seat of the Department of Defense. In many ways, it defies description or labeling.
Who, today, even remembers the debate at the end of the Cold War aboutå what role U.S. military power should play in a "unipolar" world? Was U.S. supremacy so well established, pundits were then asking, that Washington could rely on softer economic and cultural power, with military power no more than a backup (and a domestic "peace dividend" thrown into the bargain)? Or was the U.S. to strap on the six-guns of a global sheriff and police the world as the fountainhead of "humanitarian interventions"? Or was it the moment to boldly declare ourselves the world's sole superpower and wield a high-tech military comparable to none, actively discouraging any other power or power bloc from even considering future rivalry?
The attacks of September 11, 2001 decisively ended that debate. The Bush administration promptly declared total war on every front -- against peoples, ideologies, and, above all, "terrorism" (a tactic of the weak). That very September, administration officials proudly leaked the information that they were ready to "target" up to 60 other nations and the terrorist movements within them.
The Pentagon's "footprint" was to be firmly planted, military base by military base, across the planet, with a special emphasis on its energy heartlands. Top administration officials began preparing the Pentagon to go anywhere and do anything, while rewriting, shredding, or ignoring whatever laws, national or international, stood in the way. In 2002, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld officially articulated a new U.S. military posture that, in conception, was little short of revolutionary. It was called -- in classic Pentagon shorthand -- the 1-4-2-1 Defense Strategy (replacing the Clinton administration's already none-too-modest plan to be prepared to fight two major wars -- in the Middle East and Northeast Asia -- simultaneously).
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:49 PM
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3. A most worthy request for our new President.
Add it to the urgent list.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:54 PM
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4. So are you saying we no longer need human intelligence
that the DCI Operations would normally provide?

I believe we still need people in the field learning what our adversaries are up to.

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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:58 PM
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6. More than that we sometimes even need them to take covert action.
For example, an excellent time for informed, intelligent, responsibly managed covert action would have been in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. I believe we could have quietly done scores more to truly disrupt and hinder global terrorism via intelligence and covert action than everything else we have done combined.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:55 PM
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5. Not quite. The way covert ops are conducted and how they are regulated is what needs transformed.
I am not against any and all clandestine operations. But we can all hopefully agree that whatever good or reasonable principles governed the idea of the CIA at its inception have long sense fallen by the wayside. What we need is a complete unmaking and then remaking of our intelligence agencies. That remaking should include some provision for clandestine action, but with a new book on guideline, oversight and limits of scope.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:38 PM
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7. "good or reasonable principles governed the idea of the CIA"
You mean like the principle of toppling democratically elected officials in foreign countries?

Iran 1953
Italy 1953-1980s
Guatemala 1954
Cuba 1959-
Democratic Republic of the Congo 1960
Iraq 1963
Brazil 1964
Greece 1967
Iraq 1968
Chile 1973
Afghanistan 1973-74
Argentina 1976
Afghanistan 1978-1980s
Iran 1980
Turkey 1980
Nicaragua 1981-1990
Iraq 1992-1995
Guatemala 1993
Zimbabwe 2000s
Serbia 2000
Venezuela 2002
Georgia, 2003
Ukraine, 2004
Equatorial Guinea 2004
Lebanon 2005
Palestinian Authority, 2006-Present
Somalia 2006-2007
Venezuela 2007
Iran 2001-present

You got some fucked ideals there hoss.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 04:35 PM
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9. You left out - "at its inception"
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:43 PM
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12. Oh you mean the National Security Act of 1947
The little piece of legislation which gave us the Cold war and the military industrial complex.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:25 AM
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16. Oh gimme a break.
Blaming the cold war on that piece of legislation is like blaming Pearl Harbor on the invention of the airplane.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 05:41 PM
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11. Ukraine 2004?
Wow, I've been to the Ukraine at least a dozen times since then and typically also in August when they are celebrating their "independence" on Maidan Nezalezhnosti (Independence Square) in Kiev.

Thanks to you I now know to bow my head in disgust while the Ukrainians go about their fireworks and celebrations oblivious to the despicable deeds of the CIA's Operations Directorate.

Now where can I go that's fun?
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:44 PM
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13. list is per wiki
yeah I know
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 03:40 AM
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14. wow a wiki list.
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 03:40 AM by Political Heretic
:eyes:
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:47 PM
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8. How many intel agencies and directorates do we now have?
CIA, NSA, DIA, etc etc.

How about one agency and avoid all the turf battles.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:23 AM
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15. No thanks.
I really, really don't want the CIA and the NSA to be buddy buddy.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 04:37 PM
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10. But...but...how will Hollywood know what movies to make?
How will they know which sitcoms or reality programs to produce?

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