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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 12:14 AM
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TWO QUOTES FROM KARL MARX
Karl Marx, Capital, Part VIII, Chapter 31, page 13

At their birth the great banks, decorated with national titles, were only associations of private speculators, who placed themselves by the side of governments, and, thanks to the privileges they received, were in a position to advance money to the state. Hence the accumulation of the national debt has no more infallible measure than the successive rise in the stock of these banks, whose full development dates from the founding of the Bank of England in 1694. The Bank of England began with lending its money to the Government at 8%; at the same time it was empowered by Parliament to coin money out of the same capital, by lending it again to the public in the form of bank-notes. It was allowed to use these notes for discounting bills, making advances on commodities, and for buying the precious metals. It was not long ere this credit-money, made by the bank itself, became the coin in which the Bank of England made its loans to the state, and paid, on account of the state, the interest on the public debt. It was not enough that the bank gave with one hand and took back more with the other; it remained, even whilst receiving, the eternal creditor of the nation down to the last shilling advanced. Gradually it became inevitably the receptacle of the metallic hoard of the country, and the centre of gravity of all commercial credit. What effect was produced on their contemporaries by the sudden uprising of this brood of bankocrats, financiers, rentiers, brokers, stock-jobbers, &c., is proved by the writings of that time, e.g., by Bolingbroke's.


Karl Marx, Capital, Part VII, Chapter 25, page 85


Before I turn to the regular agricultural labourers, I may be allowed to show, by one example, how industrial revulsions affect even the best-paid, the aristocracy, of the working-class. It will be remembered that the year 1857 brought one of the great crises with which the industrial cycle periodically ends. The next termination of the cycle was due in 1866. Already discounted in the regular factory districts by the cotton famine, which threw much capital from its wonted sphere into the great centres of the money-market, the crisis assumed, at this time, an especially financial character. Its outbreak in 1866 was signalised by the failure of a gigantic London Bank, immediately followed by the collapse of countless swindling companies. One of the great London branches of industry involved in the catastrophe was iron shipbuilding. The magnates of this trade had not only over-produced beyond all measure during the overtrading time, but they had, besides, engaged in enormous contracts on the speculation that credit would be forthcoming to an equivalent extent. Now, a terrible reaction set in, that even at this hour (the end of March, 1867) continues in this and other London industries. *71 To show the condition of the labourers, I quote the following from the circumstantial report of a correspondent of the "Morning Star," who, at the end of 1866, and beginning of 1867, visited the chief centres of distress: "In the East End districts of Poplar, Millwall, Greenwich, Deptford, Limehouse and Canning Town, at least 15,000 workmen and their families were in a state of utter destitution, and 3000 skilled mechanics were breaking stones in the workhouse yard (after distress of over half a year's duration)....I had great difficulty in reaching the workhouse door, for a hungry crowd besieged it....They were waiting for their tickets, but the time had not yet arrived for the distribution. The yard was a great square place with an open shed running all round it, and several large heaps of snow covered the paving-stones in the middle. In the middle, also, were little wicker-fenced spaces, like sheep pens, where in finer weather the men worked; but on the day of my visit the pens were so snowed up that nobody could sit in them. Men were busy, however, in the open shed breaking paving-stones into macadam. Each man had a big paving-stone for a seat, and he chipped away at the rime-covered granite with a big hammer until he had broken up, and think! five bushels of it, and then he had done his day's work, and got his day's pay—threepence and an allowance of food. In another part of the yard was a rickety little wooden house, and when we opened the door of it, we found it filled with men who were huddled together shoulder to shoulder, for the warmth of one another's bodies and breath. They were picking oakum and disputing the while as to which could work the longest on a given quantity of food—for endurance was the point of honour. Seven thousand...in this one workhouse...were recipients of relief...many hundreds of them...it appeared, were, six or eight months ago, earning the highest wages paid to artisans....Their number would be more than doubled by the count of those who, having exhausted all their savings, still refuse to apply to the parish, because they have a little left to pawn. Leaving the workhouse, I took a walk through the streets, mostly of little one-storey houses, that abound in the neighbourhood of Poplar. My guide was a member of the Committee of the Unemployed....My first call was on an ironworker who had been seven and twenty weeks out of employment. I found the man with his family sitting in a little back room. The room was not bare of furniture, and there was a fire in it. This was necessary to keep the naked feet of the young children from getting frost bitten, for it was a bitterly cold day. On a tray in front of the fire lay a quantity of oakum, which the wife and children were picking in return for their allowance from the parish. The man worked in the stone yard of the workhouse for a certain ratio of food, and three pence per day. He had now come home to dinner quite hungry, as he told us with a melancholy smile, and his dinner consisted of a couple of slices of bread and dripping, and a cup of milkless tea....The next door at which we knocked was opened by a middle-aged woman, who, without saying a word, led us into a little back parlour, in which sat all her family, silent and fixedly staring at a rapidly dying fire. Such desolation, such hopelessness was about these people and their little room, as I should not care to witness again. 'Nothing have they done, sir,' said the woman, pointing to her boys, 'for six and twenty weeks; and all our money gone—all the twenty pounds that me and father saved when times were better, thinking it would yield a little to keep us when we got past work. Look at it,' she said, almost fiercely, bringing out a bank book with all its well-kept entries of money paid in, and money taken out, so that we could see how the little fortune had begun with the first five shilling deposit, and had grown by little and little to be twenty pounds, and how it had melted down again till the sum in hand got from pounds to shillings, and the last entry made the book as worthless as a blank sheet. This family received relief from the workhouse, and it furnished them with just one scanty meal per day....Our next visit was to an iron labourer's wife, whose husband had worked in the yards. We found her ill from want of food, lying on a mattress in her clothes, and just covered with a strip of carpet, for all the bedding had been pawned. Two wretched children were tending her, themselves looking as much in need of nursing as their mother. Nineteen weeks of enforced idleness had brought them to this pass, and while the mother told the history of that bitter past, she moaned as if all her faith in a future that should atone for it were dead....On getting outside a young fellow came running after us, and asked us to step inside his house and see if anything could be done for him. A young wife, two pretty children, a cluster of pawn-tickets, and a bare room were all he had to show."
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 12:17 AM
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1. Das Kapital was such a revolutionary text
Should be required reading today along with The Shock Doctrine
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 12:36 AM
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2. Abso fucking lootly.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 12:36 AM
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3. Yes it should be required.
And Aaron russo's film, freedom to Fascism" about the matter of our "needing" the Federal Reserve, that too should be required.

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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 12:55 AM
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4. Haven't heard of that one
I should get my head out of books more often and look into documentaries like this. Thanks for the post :)
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 01:08 AM
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7. Sadly Russo died of cancer last summer
Edited on Fri Jan-16-09 01:09 AM by truedelphi
His first introduction into the corrupting forces of capitalism was back in the sixties when he opened a nightclub back in Chicago and the cops shut it down. Chicago policemen came into the club and had their people tossing garbage everywhere. The scene was filmed and got on TV to let the public know what a loser Russo was! In order to teach him that he would need to pay for protection if he wanted to make a living at being a nightclub owner.

After he started making the payments, his club became a success. Then Russo went on to be Bette Midler's manager, and yet he kept the faith of wanting to spread as much information around as possible about the entire Ponzi scheme of financing. That banks are there to "advise" the government through their inter-related network of ministers and "statesmen" etc. Always encouraging the governments of the world to got to war over a boundary or a missing turnip etc.

When a nation is at war, it needs to procure armaments, and when the nation procures armaments the nation needs money and then the printing presses roll etc.

In a never ending cycle of indebtedness to the banks.

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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 01:00 AM
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5. Here's a third
Karl Marx, Capital, Part VIII, Chapter 31, page 14


With the national debt arose an international credit system, which often conceals one of the sources of primitive accumulation in this or that people. Thus the villanies of the Venetian thieving system formed one of the secret bases of the capital-wealth of Holland to whom Venice in her decadence lent large sums of money. So also was it with Holland and England. By the beginning of the 18th century the Dutch manufactures were far outstripped. Holland had ceased to be the nation preponderant in commerce and industry. One of its main lines of business, therefore, from 1701-1776, is the lending out of enormous amounts of capital, especially to its great rival England. The same thing is going on to-day between England and the United States. A great deal of capital, which appears to-day in the United States without any certificate of birth, was yesterday, in England, the capitalised blood of children.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 03:07 AM
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13. I've become very interested in this aspect of things:
"Thus the villanies of the Venetian thieving system formed one of the secret bases of the capital-wealth of Holland to whom Venice in her decadence lent large sums of money. So also was it with Holland and England...The same thing is going on to-day between England and the United States."

The movement of capital pretty much explains the rise/fall of "empires" - when the big money moves, the prosperity moves, just the same as when the big money pulls out of a town & leaves empty storefronts & unemployed people.

Venice/Spain/Portugal - Holland - England - US - ?

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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 10:30 AM
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15. Another quote
"It is not the consciousness of men that determines their existence, but their social existence that determines their consciousness."

-Karl Marx's 1859 Preface to the Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy
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riverdale Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 01:02 AM
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6. Karl Marx hates paragraphs
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 01:22 AM
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9. Born way too early to know
--that the Return key is your friend.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 01:12 AM
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8. Das Kapital badly needs one of those INTRODUCING cartoon books.
Few on this side of the digital divide have the attention span to wade through it. (Even though it may perfectly describe their lives.)
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 02:32 AM
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10. Das Kapital for Dummies
They do it for everything else!

:D
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 02:56 AM
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11. There is now a comic (manga) version in Japan
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/markets/japan/article5175853.ece

When Karl Marx alerted economists to the “the knell of capitalist private property” he probably didn’t imagine the phrase cropping-up as a speech bubble in a comic strip for Japanese commuters.

But across the world’s second biggest economy, bookstores from Hiroshima to Hokkaido are preparing for what they expect to be the publishing phenomenon of the year: Das Kapital – the manga version.

The comic, which goes on sale early next month, plays into a growing fascination among Japan’s hard-working labour force with socialist literature and joins a collection of increasingly fierce literary critiques of the global capitalist system.

In recent decades, while Japan Inc was still delivering collective prosperity to the nation, public criticism of companies has been muted. Unions were weak and acquiescent. But now, as the country sinks into its second recession in seven year, the sackings begin and the gap widens between rich and poor, a growing number of Japanese believe the problem lies with capitalism itself.

The ambitious comic rendering of Das Kapital is designed to parcel the complex economic theories of Marx’s hefty original in a format which Japanese adore digesting their information from; it will also be compressed into a size that can be slipped discretely into a Chanel evening bag, or slid into the top drawer of a desk when the bosses are looking. A sneak preview given to The Times reveals that Marx’s central themes are relayed in the comic via a cast of suitably down-trodden workers.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 03:55 AM
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14. Now that I'd like to see. Too bad I can't read Japanese. n/t
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 10:33 AM
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16. Have you seen Rius' Marx for Beginners?
It's roughly what you describe
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 03:02 AM
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12. Marx's"Capital" is online for those who want a clue about how things actually work.
Edited on Fri Jan-16-09 03:12 AM by ConsAreLiars
Even a read through the Table of Contents will give people more insight, and more to think about, than all the Corporatist Media combined will even hint at.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/cw/volume35/index.htm

(edit - cuz I forgot to paste the link)
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