Am I right to be upset about this?

[TwixVoy]

So the highest level human resources manager at the store I work for has spent most of her time since she was hired about a year ago finding ways to reduce peoples wages, fighting managers like me when we try to give deserved merit pay increases to associates, and regularly sending off lists of names to corporate of associates that are now working few enough hours to have their health benefits cut. Of course, SHE personally makes sure their hours are cut just enough so they lose health insurance.

So today I was casually talking to her while I was doing some work in the office and she says to me "I really hope my taxes go down this year it's so hard for me." (she makes over 50K a year) "It's too bad mccain didn't get elected I really liked him. Did you vote for him?"

So I say to her "No I didn't. I guess you did?" to which she responds "Oh no I can't. I'm not a citizen I'm just here on a work visa"

WHAT THE F***??? I already viewed her with disgust, but now it is up to a whole new level. I had no idea she was here on a work visa.

So she comes here on a work visa making 50K a year, spends her days keeping wages down and cutting hours so US citizens barely making it on 7.50/hour lose their health benefits, and then she wants to complain about paying taxes on her 50K income?

I mean I normally don't care too much about rather or not a person has citizenship, but knowing this witch came here on a visa and spends her days screwing US citizens not even making enough to survive pisses me off. What pisses me off even more is that this is a mutli-billion dollar retailer, and they didn't even hire a US citizen to do the dirty work. I'm sure they would say they couldn't find anyone "qualified".

I am literally disgusted.

[varkam]

1. I'm assuming that the irony is lost on her.

I wouldn't let it eat you, though. Life's too short, you know?

[NMDemDist2]

2. yeah, that's pretty messed up

truly

I'd be a bit sideways myself over that one.

[Turbineguy]

3. Republican Paradise

Lost.

[lonestarnot]

4. No union either hugh? LOL

:rofl: Think about it. :think:

[TwixVoy]

5. Oh no

In fact she is the one who pops in the anti-union DVD from corporate for all the new hires to watch.

[NutmegYankee]

8. Anti-union DVD?

[TwixVoy]

13. Yes

And it's a really cheap pathetic production. Basically one of the company executives sits on it and tells you that the union is out for your money. It even has crappy CGI dollar bills drop from the screen when he says it. But he is a bold SOB. Even sits there and makes what are likely just legally short of implied threats.

This last year the company has really stepped up the anti-union crap. The DVD is now mandatory for everyone to watch. They even had a special version of it for those of us in management to watch about "what to look for".

[NutmegYankee]

19. That's F'cked up!

Hey you, it's off the Unemployment death camp for you. Can't have you damn peons thinking about not serving your corporate master with complete devotion!

[dixiegrrrrl]

40. Is that even legal?

The madatory dvd showing?

[lonestarnot]

9. Well then gawd damn it start one!

[Double T]

6. I'm really disgusted TOO! Please tell US which store has imported..........

a foreign employee hatchet person so I can make sure I never spend a penny THERE again. This is one company that needs to go bankrupt, then be forced into total liquidation. If YOU don't want to 'name that store' outright give a really good clue who it is. Thank you and I'm really sorry YOU have to put up this kind of psychopathic corporate shit.

[dana_b]

18. problem with that is then more employees lose their jobs

like the OP.
Though it really does feel like a witch hunt in so many companies now.

[Double T]

23. My friend; it is time for these kind of corrupt corporate stores to go out of business.

Then, we can start over with employee owned chains of stores. Aren't YOU sick and tired of the wall street and corporate shit that has destroyed our nation?

[geckosfeet]

7. Walmart? Target? Home Depot? Come on, we are all friends here.

[NutmegYankee]

10. The Problem isn't you or I, but others viewing from the Web.

Best not to post who you work for and other personal data. Freepers and such get off on trying to ruin you.

[PatSeg]

14. I'm sure we'd all like to know,

but the poster could get fired for posting that information. The Internet isn't as anonymous as we'd like to believe.

[TwixVoy]

16. I'll tell you it's a name everyone in the country has heard of

But you know I doubt this is limited to just us. I would bet every other retailer is in on this shit too.

[StatGirl]

46. Use of the word . . .

"associates" for people making $7.50/hr is a big tip-off, in my opinion.

[Neshanic]

11. I would be royally pissed. Keep a little notebook that will come in handy later.

You may need it. The store may need a cattle prod if they come after you, and you will have some info on maybe she's overextended her stay.

[veganbeatnik]

12. My blood is officially boiling, but you do realize that this scenario is playing out

all over the country, don't you? Perhaps not in the exact same way, but it almost seems like Americans are penalized for being born here! I actually had a boss from Eastern Europe state to my fellow American-born coworker that 'Americans don't have a good work ethic.' She further stated that she was looking for someone to 'crawl on their belly' for her! Meanwhile, she sat on her (ample) ass whilst we had to stand up for the great majority of our day! Even taking lunch was a stressful ordeal. It was almost like we were lazy bums or something.

Of course, if you say that to some of your fellow Progressives, they will most likely accuse you of some sort of bigoted or jingoistic behavior. Until they are affected, that is...:banghead:

[Fire1]

28. WE'VE got a 'poor work ethic?' HA! Tell the boss if they think

we're bad, don't go the WESTERN Europe!

[Fire1]

30. sorry, 'the' is supposed to be 'to.' typing too fast.

[veganbeatnik]

34. Well, it was a blanket statement , and besides...

she was full of it! She sat on her butt in her office most of the day, looking at us through a one-way mirror and we were supposed to feel lazy for needing to take a breather every now and then. It wasn't until she left that I realized how poor our treatment was.

And what determines a "good" work ethic, anyhow? You will be a virtual slave? Feel grateful for crumbs?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

37. You're not being penalized for being American.

You're being penalized because you are not poor and desperate and willing to work like a slave for pennies without complaining. Eventually Americans will be in that situation when the corporatocracy finishes the job it started 30 years ago with Reagan. Immigration is a very effective wedge issue used to divide and conquer the working class. Please don't fall for it. If people are calling you a xenophobe or racist for being concerned about workers rights they are mistaken. At the same time, always remember that what is happening is not the fault of the immigrants. They are here because of a concerted effort by the top .02% class to decimate economies around the world and reduce everyone to paupers.

[veganbeatnik]

38. I understand completely that what you say is the case. One thing, though:

I am constantly amazed to learn how well-off some undocumented workers can become. In articles describing various raids on them, there is talk of how they have property and maybe even businesses. I read of this case where a man snuck into the country (using a coyote costing thousands of dollars), was caught (and was given representation from family costing thousands), got deported, and came BACK with another coyote costing thousands...I think he crashed a car or something. He may have died or killed someone. The point is, that money would be way better spent sending it home to Mexico and building property/buying farmland in order to go back in the near future. Stealing identities is probably one of the most common crimes these days and it's not victimless. I think if you are gonna break the rules, you should do everything you can not to take too many resources (like having kids while here), and go home as soon as it's feasible.

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. Sitting on her ample ass whilst slamming those who do the actual work, sounds like some one who

doesn't have a good work ethic. Pure projection on her part.

[veganbeatnik]

41. Yup. And I was too naive to get that until later...OMG, she was too much...

I think she felt paranoid that I would take over her position or something, even though I had no higher aspirations and was totally laid back in the workplace.

I remember needing to ask her something and coming into her office when she was eating a cheese thingie that she had baked. She acted like she was caught in the act. Totally shame-based. And she wrote me up for stuff I didn't do, along with stuff I did according to what she told me to do (and which didn't pan out). I refused to sign the sheets and God knows...She could have forged my name, for all I know.

[sandnsea]

15. Oh I would be writing somebody

The names of the visa backers in Congress escape me right now, but they need to be shown this. That's just a bunch of garbage. Aside from the fact that she is doing her job, there is no question but that there are plenty of US citizens who could do that job. There shouldn't be anybody on a work visa managing a chain store.

[Poll_Blind]

17. Holy crap! Yeah, I'd be disgusted too. That's just eeeevil. n/t

PB

[barbtries]

20. i wonder how she sleeps at night

being here on a work visa, not so much. i guess because i was seriously considering leaving the US (if her choice for president had managed to steal the election), and no matter where i would go i would still need to work.

but her job: that seems as if it should not even be legal.

[ulysses]

21. sure, but she isn't the real problem.

The real problem is the ones who hired her to do the dirty work.

[bvar22]

33. The REAL reason....

..is 30 years of Anti-LABOR government (Democrats & Republicans).


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[ulysses]

36. true enough.

:)

[Waiting For Everyman]

22. Somebody oughtta drop a dime on her to the INS.

Just to make sure everything's in order, and all. Who knows, maybe it isn't. She hassles people, she should have some hassle in her life too. Since she likes it so much.

[Occam Bandage]

26. Racist. nt

[Waiting For Everyman]

48. Get you labelmaker out, name caller. (3rd grade bullshit)

I don't give a damn if you call me every one of them in your repertoire.

[truedelphi]

24. Are you aware of the other factors, or implications, of this.

Your description of her indicates that she does not have any real moral values.

So maybe she is embezzling? Hey why not - she clearly only thinks of herself.

And when she leaves this country in the middle of the night, with the embezzled monies, the company will undoubtedly collect on insurance for their loss. She will never be charged, because she probably has a totally different name than the one on her work visa.

And that fingerprint clearance that was done before she was hired? If it was done off store, whatever relative who let her use the name for the visa, also went in and had the fingerprints done.

As someone who has worked in elder care, and who had to turn down jobs I desperately needed because the employer would only offer me $ 48 a day, I often would be surprised when the same employer called me a year later to say I had the job at the current market rate of $ 115 to $ 159 for a 24 hour shift.

And after being there a week or two, I would hear the whole sad story of how the trusted, cheerful, competent, caring but not-here-legally employee absconded with as much as $ 30,000. After the crime was committed, the employer would realize how shoddy the fingerprinting, and photo ID process of the local nursing agency happened to be. And if the relative who had provided the name for the crook had not also left town, they usually only got a slap on the wrist.

Oh and often the crooked person was getting food stamps, and County health insurance etc from the local County. Sometimes even a housing voucher.

[1776Forever]

25. When I learned this was a part of being a "manager" years ago I wasn't surprised but disheartened.

My boss was an older man who I thought was "fair" and honest. But when I learned that all the men in our group were making huge amounts of money more then all the women it hit me that this was in his hands! I never thought about it much until I was told by one of the men that this is just how the game is played and the pot was "only so big"! Here you have someone who obviously is playing the "game" to her advantage. It does stink no matter how you look at it!:argh:

[Occam Bandage]

27. Forrinurs stealin' my jawbs.

[The Doctor.]

31. Dey tuk r jawbs!

Time to get gay!

[Missy Vixen]

45. Oooh, that's funny

Aren't you a doctor?

Do you like having your charts and medical transcription outsourced to India? It's happening right now with multiple insurance companies.

Julie

[The Doctor.]

47. Missed the reference there, eh?

http://www.tv.com/south-park/goobacks/episode/327673/recap.html?tag=overview;recap

[Missy Vixen]

32. You obviously do not live in an area or work in a profession

that has been decimated by H1B visa recipients.

Try talking to those in the software industry that are US citizens and can't find work in the USA, only to discover that the companies in question have outsourced to India or simply brought hundreds in on H1B visas and are paying them half of what US citizens should be making.

Unemployment would drop OVERNIGHT if the H1B visa loophole was either closed or significantly restricted.

Julie

[Occam Bandage]

35. Damn foreigners. Always taking our jobs. We should isolate ourselves

so this can't happen any more. After all, influxes in skilled immigrant labor have always been a driving force in the financial ruin of this nation. Why bother with finding the most skilled doctors, engineers, and programmers possible? We'll just let our foreign competitors make use of them. That way, instead of losing a few thousand jobs, we can lose millions of jobs as entire high-tech industries find themselves entirely unable to compete.

Yep. Competition is frightening and painful. Let's do for every other industry what we did for the auto and steel industries--get Congress to give us an artificial boost in the domestic market (and in worker and CEO compensation) by enacting unsustainable protectionist policies. Maybe the foreign competitors will, I don't know, go away or something. Whatever. If we don't think about them or address them in any meaningful way, I'm sure the situation will take care of itself. Maybe then the entire nation can be as successful, healthy, and stable as Detroit is.

[Greyhound]

42. Brilliant, use the example of the other crimes to justify the crime.

[Blue_Tires]

43. i get what you are saying, but fwiw

Japan has a decades-long history of protectionism for their automakers and other industries

[Missy Vixen]

44. Oh, yeah, you're totally right!

Gosh, let's all do what you recommend, huh?

Again, you don't work in the software industry, do you? Let me explain how this works. Microsoft has been doing it for YEARS now. They claim they "just can't" find qualified workers in the US (after all, they don't want to pay the market rate for American employees,) then they bring in thousands from India, England and other countries that will work at half the rate of American citizens. It's a little different than "competition". It's a race to the bottom, and it doesn't seem to matter to you whether or not American citizens can actually find a job that pays a living wage, does it?

Considering the fact that Microsoft has a billion dollars in liquid assets, I don't think they're going under if they actually have to pay their employees market rate for their work, or hire actual American citizens to do it. If Microsoft lost the tax loopholes that financially benefit their shipping jobs out of the US, for instance, they'd change their tune in a big big hurry.

In the meantime, yeah, that's right, those damn autoworkers are Ruining America, aren't they? This has NOTHING to do with the CEO's that pay themselves over 300 times what a guy on the line makes a year, the fact they didn't listen to the marketplace, etcetera. It's waaaaay better if we pay them the same wage the guy at the Toyota plant in Japan gets, even though that guy has (IIRC) government subsidized health care and doesn't need the multiple benefits the union managed to hammer out over several years, and on the backs of people who worked hard to get them in the first place.

Here's a fact, and you might want to think on this one: When we ship good jobs out of the country, give US companies tax incentives to ship those jobs out, or import people to do them instead of hiring our own workers, the US can't survive on a service economy. We're seeing it RIGHT NOW. People can't own a home, feed their kids, or hope to send their kids to college to better THEIR lives on $7.75 an hour.

Julie

[mrreowwr_kittty]

29. It bothers me that ANY workers are getting screwed over, regardless of where they are from.

I'm a big anti-"free trader", not because I think Americans deserve all the good jobs and good pay, but because it's easy to see how these trade policies are designed to benefit the people at the very top and drive the rest of us into poverty. Your manager is an asshole and that has nothing to do with where she is from or her citizenship. The workers she is screwing over are being screwed over and it doesn't matter if they are U.S. or Guatemalan citizens. The sooner we all realize that this is a GLOBAL problem and that it's taking place in the boardrooms and not at the borders the better off we will all be.