Clinton and Carter hate each other???

[Stinky The Clown]

Richard Wolf just said that on Olbermann's show.

I never knew that. I'm usually pretty aware of shit, but that memo mush have been misplaced on my desk.

[spanone]

1. never heard of that.

:shrug:

[wyldwolf]

2. Carter apparently had the same problems with clinton in '92 that clinton had with obama in '08

Professional rivalry with a hint of jealousy, maybe?

[TTUBatfan2008]

5. That's not a good comparison...

I don't think Bill would have had a problem with Obama if he didn't have a personal stake in the campaign (his wife also running for the same job). The Carter/Clinton rift makes less sense than the Clinton/Obama one.

[wyldwolf]

11. The Carter/Clinton rift goes back to 1980

[TTUBatfan2008]

13. Oh really?

Interesting. How did it start?

[wyldwolf]

22. check posts 21 and 15

[TTUBatfan2008]

24. Thanks...

Very interesting...

[deadmessengers]

23. Something about Cuban refugees

Apparently Jimmy Carter made a decision as President that landed a lot of Mariel boatlift refugees in Arkansas, generating a lot of problems for then-Governor Clinton, which ended in his defeat for re-election. (he was re-elected two years after that). President Clinton's biography talks a lot about it, in terms that do not hide his feelings about President Carter.

[muntrv]

3. Carter was slamming Clinton for his pardons during his last days in office.

[SharonRB]

4. I never knew that before either.

[razorman]

6. I also think that Clinton was upset about Carter interfering

with the North Korea policy.

[Solly Mack]

7. it goes back a long time...the dislike

[elfin]

8. Carter inserted himself into foreign affairs

without permission from Clinton as I recall.

Hazy memory as to where and when, but I think that was the beginning of the mutual animus. Plus Carter is a goody two shoes and Clinton most definitely is not. It must have burned Carter that Clinton was a much more effective President with all his flaws and it must have burned Clinton to have Carter lionized as great humanitarian in his post-presidency.

[malaise]

20. We'll never know since

Clinton didn't face a global oil crisis. Despite his religiosity, I'd take Carter over Clinton any day of week. Carter is a much more humane man and never feared speaking out on controversial issues. Clinton loves the limelight and riches a little too much for me. Further he did a lot of harm promoting the globalization crap and did little to promote the liberal agenda.

[bigtree]

9. not much love lost

. . . thought that was well known

[MannyGoldstein]

10. Clinton Mega-Dissed Carter From The Start

When Clinton ran he fled from Carter as if he was a leper. Carter represented actual Democratic values, although he lacked street smarts. By contrast, Clinton was essentially a Republican.

[wyldwolf]

21. Carter mega-dissed Clinton from the start

The Unfinished Presidency by Douglas Brinkley details how Carter sent 18,000 Cuban refugees to Fort Chafee in Arkansas. Some of the refugees and police were badly hurt when a riot broke out. Clinton's opponent in the Governor's raced used this to attack Clinton's use of the police and to blame Clinton for allowing the refugees in and won the election off of it. Clinton blamed Carter for sending the refugees to Fort Chafee.

So Clinton avoided Carter in his presidential campaign as you stated. But Carter then publically criticized Clinton during the '92 campaign. He then did freelance foreign policy in the 90s.

Carter represented actual Democratic values, although he lacked street smarts. By contrast, Clinton was essentially a Republican.

Silly.

Carter...

Time Magazine said of him:

A catalog of contradictions: Liberal, moderate, conservative, compassionate, ruthless, soft, tough, a charlatan, a true believer, a defender of the status quo, a populist Hamlet... A Democrat who thinks like a Republican... he also considers himself a fiscal conservative...

Other facts concerning him:

A former State Senator, he was elected Governor by running to the right of the other Democratic candidates. "I was never a liberal," he told state voters that year. "I am and have always been a conservative."

He campaigned against school busing.

A supporter of the Viet Nam war, as Governor he declared "American Fighting Man's Day" in support of Lt. William Calley after his court martial on charges of massacring civilians.

At the 1972 Democratic convention, he was a delegate for Henry "Scoop" Jackson's (said by some to be the father of the DLC) presidential campaign, and he worked with Al From of the DLC on economic issues as well.

One of his campaigns was endorsed by Pat Robertson, who aired a profile of him on the 700 Club.

As president, he praised the Shah of Iran's "progressive administration" while Iran's military was gunning down thousands of unarmed demonstrators. When Carter was asked if the US should rebuild Viet Nam, he said "the destruction was mutual."

His south and central American policies were nothing short of tragic.

[GoneOffShore]

28. And there we have it. That picture of the five together today . . .

Two Democrats and three Republicans.

[babylonsister]

12. There was a book written about their relationship.

I didn't know that-google told me so. Historian Douglas Brinkley wrote it.

Archive for Saturday, May 02, 1998

http://articles.latimes.com/1998/may/02/news/mn-45603

Book Chronicles Carter-Clinton Ups and Downs

By Jack Nelson
May 02, 1998 in print edition A-1


When former President Carter visited the Oval Office last January, a few days after the Monica S. Lewinsky case broke, a deeply troubled President Clinton spent 90 minutes privately discussing his concern that “a right-wing conspiracy” was out to get him.

As Carter started to leave, Clinton “asked the former president to pray for him in his hour of darkness,” writes historian Douglas Brinkley in a new book, “The Unfinished Presidency: Carter’s Journey Beyond the White House.”

It was “the most intimate moment the two men ever shared,” Brinkley writes. Carter, a Baptist Sunday school teacher, reportedly promised to pray for Clinton.

The two presidents’ relationship dates back to 1974. Carter, Georgia’s 50-year-old governor, was plotting to run for president, and Clinton, a 28-year-old Arkansas congressional candidate, was already dreaming the same dream.

Clinton supported Carter for president in 1976. And Carter broke his own rule of not endorsing one Democrat over another and endorsed Clinton in the 1992 Georgia primary, helping him to a crucial victory at a time when Clinton was under attack for draft avoidance and an extramarital affair.

But they have had their ups and downs during Clinton’s presidency. Brinkley, who enjoyed unusually wide access to Carter’s records and had the full cooperation of Carter and his wife, Rosalynn, provides rare behind-the-scenes views of Carter’s relations with both Clinton and Warren Christopher, Clinton’s first secretary of State.

more...

[AndrewP]

16. Very interesting link

[madrchsod]

14. hate is a bit strong....they really dislike each other

[Starry Messenger]

15. Clinton wrote a bit on Carter in "My Life".

I'm not at my house and don't have the book with me, but there was no love lost there either. Going back to Clinton's days as Governor. This isn't a link to Clinton's book, but uses it as a source.

http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/encyclopedia/entry-detail.aspx?entryID=4248

[rateyes]

17. I think they're over it. Carter invited Clinton and Gore to speak

with him at a meeting in Atlanta at a gathering called "The New Baptist Covenant." Before that meeting, they met together at the Carter Center to plan the logistics of that meeting. Gore gave his slide presentation on climate change, and Clinton and Carter shared the stage with one another talking about working together to benefit humankind with several projects. John Grisham was part of that panel, as well as Marian Wright Edelman and many others.

I know those meetings took place because I was at one of them, and some very good friends of mine were part of the smaller meeting at the Carter Center. I think Bill respects Jimmy and vice-versa. In fact, in the meeting at the Carter Center, Bill apologized to the group for the Lewinsky matter, and Jimmy and Bill were both very admiring of the other, according to my good friend who was in on that meeting.

I think that Wolfe is pulling crap out of his ass on this one.

[Beacool]

19. Must have been great to be at those meetings.

What a difference our ex presidents are from the Republican ones.

:)

[rateyes]

25. It really was. Got my pic made with Rosalyn Carter, and sat

on the front table at a luncheon for Gore's presentation. There are some people who actually care about the world and its peoples.

[Beacool]

29. Cool!!!

She and Hillary are my favorite first ladies of my lifetime.

;-)

[Beacool]

18. Hate is not the right word.

They don't hate each other, they simply don't agree on some issues. Also, Carter's interference in foreign affairs has proven a thorn on the side of every president that came after him.

:eyes:

[Pastiche423]

26. Hearing this makes my admiration for President Carter

even bigger, although I din't think that was possible.

[onefreespiritedchick]

27. I heard this a few years back

And if you observe the two of them together, their body language speaks volumes.