Baggy Pants Legislation Miffs Atlantans - Baggy pants hinder who young people can become...

[The Straight Story]

Baggy Pants Legislation Miffs Atlantans

ATLANTA -- After a wave of upset e-mails from viewers, 11Alive News is asking Atlanta city leaders why, in the midst of a budget crisis and citywide furloughs, are they pushing two pieces of legislation regarding baggy pants.

Both a proposed ordinance and a resolution have been submitted to the city council's Public Safety Committee. Members meet Tuesday, January 13, to discuss them and other topics on the agenda.

City Councilman C.T. Martin has long fought to reduce the number of young men who wear pants that sit well below their waist and often show their underwear. He believes that it is a city matter because it is happening on the streets of Atlanta and sends a bad message."

"We on the Public Safety Committee tackle a number of issues affecting our young people -- drugs, gangs, graffiti. This is one of those things that hinders who they can become," said Martin.

But overwhelmingly the people responding to 11Alive.com believe the city has far bigger issues to tackle right now.

http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=125360&catid=3

[MazeRat7]

1. Same song different verse...

Back in the day, we had rules about how long our hair could be and having to have our shirt tails tucked in... among other things. All in a effort to force us to be more like "them".

Not sure "who" I was "supposed" to become, but I'm who I am now and pretty happy about it... all in all. :rofl:

Peace,
MZr7

[108blessings]

3. So you don't see a difference between long hair and exposing one's underwear?

:yoiks:

I do. I see a big difference and it saddens me because we all communicate our values through our clothing. I like to dress in a Bohemian style. I want to advertise my free-wheeling ethic. I cannot fathom what someone with their pants down to their knees (I am not lying; I have seen this) and completely exposed undies is communicating...

[endarkenment]

14. in a word: no.

[Greyhound]

18. They're kids, adopting stupid fashions to piss off their parents and society at large is their job.

Same as it ever was. And their music sucks and is way too loud and you can't even understand the lyrics.

NOW GET THE HELL OFF MY LAWN!!!

[108blessings]

32. Thanks for bringing up the music: basically, you are trying to say

that Usher is as good (provacative, touching, writes meaningful songs) as Bob Dylan then. Because your answer implies that as we age, we just become cranks who can't appreciate things that are not from their era. I can look at this whole thing in a detached, objective way and declare that there IS a difference, the same way that arguments are now "settled" by drive-bys, rather than in the past with fist fights.

I grew up in the '70s. Sorry, I don't recall drive-bys. I don't recall innocent people getting shot because they happen to be in a crowd when violence breaks out. Things have changed. They have become coarser. In the '60s/early '70s, it used to be cool to want peace, man. Now they have "Grand Theft Auto" and other evil pasttimes. Compare Joni Mitchell's lyrics to Nelly's. Puleeze.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. Wow, you're blaming video games too?

And you're not even that old.

:rofl:

[108blessings]

53. So it's ROTFLMAO-worthy to lament these sick games?!

You know, the ones which involve KILLING PEOPLE? WTF!!! When is that ever okay in your world? Do you realize that the military is using games to indoctrinate their charges? Go watch "The Ground Truth" and if your stomach doesn't turn at that, I don't know what to make of you.

It's not wholesome. It's evil. It's not healthy for anyone to participate in this low-consciousness activity. Stealing cars is part of a game?! They are trying to create more inmates for their prison complex!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

62. Yes.

It's like blaming the people back in the fifties blaming Rock n' Roll music for juvenile delinquency.

Or people who burn Harry Potter books because it causes witchcraft.

"It's not wholesome."

You're not in much position to judge what is and isn't wholesome.

"You know, the ones which involve KILLING PEOPLE? "

Do you realize that video games are not actually real? It's make believe? Like how Bruce Willis didn't really die when he blew up that asteroid?

"Go watch "The Ground Truth""

That's too violent. It's unwholesome. If I watched that it'd probably make me want to wear baggy clothes and cause shenanigans.

[Greyhound]

47. Sounds like we're of the same era and you didn't grow up in my neighborhood.

Of the male kids I went to elementary school with, there are only three of us that didn't go to jail or the morgue in the following decade and a half. The big difference that I see is that we have twice as many people today and then "polite society" didn't talk about "those people" knifing and shooting each other over there, except as simple reports of the number of homicides, rapes, and robberies this week.

True, we didn't have drive-by's, our fights were more in the vein of our parent's "rumbles", but we were just as dead and crippled. We also didn't have the generational economic desperation that we have now, we were pretty much first generation desperate.

I believe that Linkin Park, Rage Against the Machine, and whoever is popular now, speak to the current generation just as poignantly as Dylan, Hendrix, and Mitchell did to their audience. I'd wager that you grew up in a middle class suburb and didn't know what was going on in the 'my' neighborhood of your city, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Our pastimes were roaming the streets looking for trouble, drinking and getting high, and beating the shit out of fools from the 'burbs that came into the city to score.

BTW, now that I'm old too, I actually like Dean Martin, the Rat Pack, and listen to classical music too.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

48. If you want to look at statistics, rather than weird stereotypes...

violent crime's way down compared to the "good old days" of the seventies. Particularly among youth.

I blame bellbottoms and corduroy jackets with elbow patches.

[Greyhound]

52. We did wear Levi's Big Bells, but you better not have come around in one of those jackets

if you wanted to get home with all of your stuff.:rofl:

Oh god, I just remembered... acetate shirts. How embarrassing.:blush:

Another big difference is that today we throw people away forever for doing stuff that got our parents called and sent home with a stern warning or a slap in the head. Once you're in the system you're there for life.

[108blessings]

55. "Came into the city to score" Yeah, that's about the size of it...still happens

I grew up in the 'burbs, but next to Chicago(the 'hood part of Chitown, not some cushy part).
Murder rates are actually down from the '80s and '70s, so you have a point. Here's the problem, though: more dropouts than before, more of an income gap, less opportunities for manufacturing work. Hell, back in the day, we could go to the temp agency if we needed some cash, work in a factory for a couple of days and get paid. Now there are fewer gigs like that (which hurts the working poor) and the ones that are available seem to favor undocumented workers (perhaps they can pay even less and get them to work harder?). Add to that the horror of random shootings and other social breakdowns (more fatherless kids, more kids born to moms on drugs like crack, and too much computer usage, which creates a fear of real relationships) and you have serious concerns.

[Greyhound]

58. All true, but we ignore the source of these maladies.

The random shootings (more likely bad shots missing the intended, specific target), the fatherless kids and addicted mothers, are the direct result of the way that the Great Society programs were implemented not the ideas themselves.

It is nearly a duplicate of the "liberal reforms" of the late 19th century, clueless white people imposing their standards and "morals" in situations where they are not just ineffective, but counter-productive. And how do we address it? Not by adapting and repairing, but by ending it altogether making a horrible situation even worse (thank you Bill, you fucking POS bastard).

[108blessings]

59. Random also in the reason for some of the shootings...for nothing sometimes

In Chicago there was a horrific example last year where the dewd shot (and killed a teenage girl by mistake) ON A BUS!!!! Reason? Someone bumped him by accident. That was all it took.

Who is "POS BILL?" Oh, Clinton?! Ye gods...

I think welfare isn't productive in the long run for people. Yes, we need safety nets. No one should be hungry and on the streets. But working gives one dignity. I don't think we should give, give, give and never expect anything from the people who are getting. It gives the message that these poor, pathetic people are useless to society.

[Greyhound]

61. The welfare system itself made getting off welfare nearly impossible.

Yay! I was offered a job today and it pays more than the welfare check! Oops, now we have no health care and who is going to watch the kids while I'm at work, and our expenses just doubled because we lost the rent assistance and the food stamps. I guess I can't take it after all. Now multiply that by four generations.

One thing we could have done, and still can if we wanted it to work, is to raise the minimum wage to a livable wage instead of the insulting road to serfdom that it is. Chicago area in the neighborhood of $20 p/hr.

You live in/near one of the more expensive cities in America to live in, can you even afford rent in Chicago on minimum wage, let alone luxuries like power, heat, water, and food? Of course not, yet we kick people, almost exclusively women I might add, off welfare and force them to try to exist on this pittance. Gee, I wonder why there are so many social problems in these neighborhoods. While mom is trying to keep two or three of these jobs to maintain shelter where are the kids she inevitably has because that's the only way she could get welfare in the first place? What about the father, he can't be there even if he wanted to because you can't get welfare if there's a man in the house (like a penis is some magical curative for poverty).

We've set up a never-ending, inescapable cycle of desperation and neglect that gets worse with each new cycle, all so that the few can have more than they earn.

We refused to even acknowledge the class war, forget fighting it, for over a century in this nation. Until we do all we can do is shuffle the seating cards while we sink into a corporate feudalism.

And the concerned citizens of Atlanta are worried about baggie pants worn below the buttocks. (Which is only a style because we imprison more of our citizens than any other country on earth and the ill-fitted garb of the system made it's way out into the cities)

[108blessings]

65. You made some good points and I voted for Kucinich in 2004!

I have also heard him speak and think he's a great man. But even progressives don't necessarily support candidates who would best serve the populace. We get what we collectively deserve...

[uppityperson]

67. There is a lot you don't reacall. Maybe it is all those drugs?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

68. Hard to say.

Maybe he's got the stick shoved so far up his ass it's affecting his brain.

[uppityperson]

69. try this...

removed link to Health Forum

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

70. Oh, I know, I know.

He's not fooling anybody.

[MazeRat7]

36. LMAO... exactly!!! n/t

[L0oniX]

21. Well it's obviously ok for women to wear string bikinis out in public but ...

we can't have a little bit of guys underwear showing.

[NeedleCast]

71. We should judge more people by how they dress

This seems like a good progressive thing to do.

What does my shaved head, long black beard and numerous tattoos communicate to you about who I am?

[108blessings]

2. Man, I just think the whole thing is wretched...It's hard to know which way to go

Yeah, if I had a choice, I would rather concentrate on violent people, but this fad won't die! And I find it so depressing a style. To see these young men walking around like a baby with a load in its diaper, unable to go very far without having to grab their crotch to pull 'em up, not to mention the ick factor of being forced to witness someone's nasty ole drawers...Whatever happened to respect? This isn't comparable to hippies in faded or patched-up blue jeans; they had values and wanted to send the message that materialism was wrong and it didn't matter what one wore. This generation is extremely materialistic and don't seem to stand for much. Actually, the dark side seems to be very appealing to most of them. Witness their bloody video games, sexist/profane "music" lyrics, etc.

[FiveGoodMen]

4. Outlawing their preferred clothing styles will do no good.

What the fuck does the word "freedom" even mean anymore?!

[108blessings]

5. I hear you...I am lamenting the mentality of those who go out in public this way

I have been waiting patiently for this god-awful atrocity to go bye-bye and it just won't. I think it's a conspiracy, if you want to know the truth. Get urban youth to dress like morans and keep them down. If you have ever seen "fashion" geared towards urban teens, it's pretty tacky to the point of being a joke.

[FiveGoodMen]

10. It does look awful to me, too.

But every group tries to set itself apart in some superficial way. Trying to stop that just causes people to dig in their heels.

[108blessings]

29. Self-expression is one thing; this seems indecent. I have no problem with the goth look

Back in the day, we called those kids the punkers or "Rocky Horror Picture" types. Usually the art students were the ones who dyed their hair blue and wore pancake makeup to class. At first it looked very strange because in 1980 I had no previous exposure to that style! But like everything else, it became pretty mundane, although the Flock of Seagulls hairstyle always caught my eye!

Baggy jeans isn't the issue; it's the sagging jeans which expose one's undergarments. That, to me, is disrespectful to oneself and society. Same with the tha-tha-tha-tha-thong look which thankfully is in the fashion cemetary. Also, those chix with the asscracks peeking out are passe, thank Jah.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

40. OK, with the "goth" look, not OK with the "urban" look?

Interesting. Explain more.

Because earlier you were griping that the "urban" look was unprofessional, but it's no more unprofessional than the goth look.

[pipi_k]

26. Wanna see it go away?

Get all the older people to wear their pants the same way

Suddenly it becomes VERY uncool

:7

[108blessings]

30. Ha ha...first we have to get them to part with the whole "Mom Jeans" look

Actually, another irksome trend of recent years was the lack of women's pants that didn't go down to just above the asscrack. Besides being horrifically uncomfortable, they were (are) incredibly unflattering to every single woman, even those weighing less than 110 lbs. I usually buy men's Levis when I need to get jeans, but if I wanted regular pants, for about 5 years I had to suffer with my panties exposed on top and being uncomfortable all day long, constantly tugging at my waistband. I long for Mom jeans to make a comeback, or atleast some type of high-waisted pants!

[pipi_k]

34. I know what you mean...

When I was a teenager I couldn't find women's jeans with an inseam long enough (I have very long legs) so I bought men's jeans instead.

They worked well because I was also very thin and didn't have hips.

But now I'm older and have hips (boy do I ever!) and men's jeans just would not work. Fortunately, women's jeans accommodate tall women, but now, like you said, they're all the hip hugging styles.

I prefer the white cotton undies in a size large enough to be comfortable. That means the waistband goes halfway up my chest. OK, I'm exaggerating. A little.

But still....those hip hugger things are sooooo uncomfortable....

At least a lot of them now have a bit of "stretch" to them....thank you spandex...

:)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

31. That's alright.

I'm lamenting the mentality of the people who think youth fashion is what's keeping "urban" teens down.

[108blessings]

33. I will bet that you never see this or rarely do...Or are you just an apologist for bad behavior?

This may come as a newsflash to you, but there are troubling trends in society. And yes, there are certain segments of our society who are being hit hardest by lack of education, violence, and other social ills. Perhaps you are insulated to this and choose to characterize my post as somehow racist? Perhaps from your little ivory tower, you can afford your ill-conceived "magnanimous" 'tude.

I was at a job fair for a Whole Foods in the city last year. It drew a cross-section of people: Black, White, younger, older, different educational levels. My heart sank when I saw two URBAN young men get called up for their interview with their saggy-azz jeans. You may pat yourself on the back and consider yourself uber-openminded. These dewds didn't have enough sense to save that look for their free time. Sorry, but employers often talk about how clueless some young people are these days. They simply don't know how to dress, which I think it an extension of not knowing how to act in various situations (i.e; using profanity in front of strangers, talking too loud, wearing clothing inappropriate for the environment).

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

35. I see it regularly.

In fact, I wear the baggy shorts myself. They're useful in the garden.

"This may come as a newsflash to you, but there are troubling trends in society."

Not from the youth there isn't.

"And yes, there are certain segments of our society who are being hit hardest by lack of education, violence, and other social ills."

They're being hardest hit because of institutionalized racism. Not because of baggy pants.

"Perhaps you are insulated to this and choose to characterize my post as somehow racist?"

Hey, you said it. Not me.

"Perhaps from your little ivory tower, you can afford your ill-conceived "magnanimous" 'tude."

And you get your 'tude from where? Sitting in your brokedown pickup rusting on your front lawn?

"I was at a job fair for a Whole Foods in the city last year. It drew a cross-section of people: Black, White, younger, older, different educational levels."

Hmm, interesting.

"My heart sank when I saw two URBAN young men get called up for their interview with their saggy-azz jeans."

So did they get the job? Or was the interviewer a racist fucktard?

"Sorry, but employers often talk about how clueless some young people are these days."

Ah, I'll bet they do fine. I'd rather employ them then some racist fucktard.

"They simply don't know how to dress, which I think it an extension of not knowing how to act in various situations (i.e; using profanity in front of strangers, talking too loud, wearing clothing inappropriate for the environment)."

Do they hang around on internet message boards all day, espousing their racial superiority?

[108blessings]

37. Whoa...make ASSumptions much? You know zilch about me! Pickup?

Do you come from an area with racist Whites and therefore react to anything which doesn't excuse coarse behavior as racist and hillbillyish? FYI, I am mixed, grew up in suburban (very much resembling urban) environment, and just call them like I see them.

But good luck with encouraging young people to dress obscenely!:fistbump:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

38. Do you know an area that doesn't have racist whites?

*snicker*

[108blessings]

42. My hometown is uber liberal and I grew up thinking that all was kumbaya, so yeah

It all depends on how educated the populace is and my area had the whole enchilada.

Interesting side note: this same "diverse-loving" town was the only place where I have ever been called an ethnic slur.

Things that make ya go 'hmm...'

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. It's not a racist town where you've been called an ethnic slur?

Do explain.

[108blessings]

49. No, you are actually right about that...my point is that your predictable stereotypes

about so-called 'White trash' (which I hate to use) is not a part of my reality. I had an interesting experience with Whites who were mainly middle/uppermiddle/upperclass coexisting with mostly lower middleclass Blacks (along with some middleclass BP). No pickup trucks in my vicinity until I moved to a bluecollar area. The Mexicans moved in and that's when I started seeing pickup trucks in droves.

I think it's a little hypocritical for some on here who think nothing of bashing poor WP and have all the sympathy in the world for poor BP. It's ALL about class in this country; if you grow up Black and upperclass, race is a mere minor irritation. Poor Whites are in a far worse boat.

[Donnachaidh]

9. oh please, here we go...

My kid plays all sorts of video games, he listens to music that has cuss words, he stays up late and watches absolute garbage on the TV. He also doesn't wear lowriders.

SO?

Some of his friends wear the lowriders, and are still getting high grades in school, working part time jobs, and playing the same video games as my kid. I expect to see those same kids graduating college with my kid, getting jobs, or even running their own businesses. As a matter of fact, at least one of them will probably be owning his own business before he graduates high school.

This is EXACTLY the sort of crap thrown at young people in different eras. EXACTLY. The adults don't want to deal with shit THEY caused, like homelessness or the thousands losing jobs. So what do they do? Point out kids in baggy pants.

TYPICAL Atlanta bullshit. The city is falling down around everyone's ears - but the REAL problem is some high paid public servant's outrage about a teenager's style of dress.

People need to target these dissembling frigging idiots and get them OUT of office. They are purposely changing the subject because they are afraid to clean up THEIR mess.

[Sonicmedusa]

20. How can a kid work with one hand

While he is holding up his pants with the other?

Seriously, I see these guys walking down the street and they cannot do ANYTHING with both hands or their pants will be around their ankles. They use one hand to hold them up continuously. It is ridiculous.

[Donnachaidh]

23. the same argument was made about long hair

"How can they SEE what they are doing in school or at work? We'll have more employee accidents if we hire kids with long hair" yadda yadda yadda.

The kids are fine -- it's the adults who have lost their rabbit-assed minds over this subject.

[108blessings]

43. You make some valid points, HOWEVER...

I notice that your gender is not declared: are you a man? Does your son have an active father in his life? It is a well-known fact that fathers are important factors in whether their children succeed or not. I am not suggesting that fatherless children are doomed, but our hyper-masculine culture can, IMO, be directly linked to a lack of a positive male model in one's life.

[ZombieHorde]

41. Witness

Witness their bloody video games

They are more fun to play, than they are to witness. There is a new video game coming out in March which looks promising.



profane "music" lyrics

What is a profane "music" lyric?

[108blessings]

44. Here you go...it's from 2000, but I cannot stomach this garbage

http://www.mtv.com/lyrics/mystikal/shake_ya_ass/6672607/lyrics.jhtml?track=6672607&sel=true

I don't listen to the radio nowadays for music because it just got so base. Most of the songs fall under the hiphop genre and were bleeped out like a mofo (like this one).

Thankfully, it got so bad that there was a backlash and hiphop artists seem to be toning it down (so I hear, anyway).

[ZombieHorde]

50. Note this...

Songwriters: Chad Hugo, Michael Tyler, Pharrell Williams

Three people came together to write a song, and 'Shake ya ass' was the result. Kind of funny. Those lyrics are not even close to good.

[108blessings]

51. They degrade our souls...they bring us down to a base level of consciousness

Want to cry and pull out your hair? Compare it to these lyrics:

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/joni+mitchell/the+circle+game_20075378.html

[ZombieHorde]

56. I am not so sure that those lyrics are a fair comparison.

The first set was about their sexuality, the second set was not. Neither were of my taste.

Here are some fun sexual lyrics from one of my favorite bands.

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/c/coil/loves+secret+domain_20247681.html

[NeedleCast]

73. Fallout 3 is out now

and has gratuitous violence AND dirty words.

I'll be surprised if any of our youth survive until March...




(sarcasm goes here)

[ZombieHorde]

75. My wife bought that game, we both love it.

We showed it to a friend of ours, and she fell in love with it instantly. Awesome game.

[otherlander]

64. Please listen closely

and you may hear that this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgFHonyHGdA

and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDWgsQhbaqU

are just another way of saying this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3SjqGfe-yM

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NEE8oURdM0

because it's not about the "savage story that's told, by the media, the medium by which were controlled, that doesn't benefit the spirit or the soul." And it's not about a capitalist world where "financin' is Manson, and hopes are held for ransom." It's about getting "back to the garden," and trying to "get your soul free." So maybe don't worry so much, because not only will we "get by... we will survive," but "when you're gone we want you all to know we'll carry on."
:hi:

[MsTryska]

6. I would much rather Atlanta cops

were handling the aggressive panhandling issue. Baggy pants or no baggy pants really is of little consequence to me.

[TNOE]

7. I just wish the kids understood what they mean

its "Prison chic" for the newbies who come in - easy access, if you know what I mean. Why they see this as cool looking is beyond me.

[Donnachaidh]

11. then do community outreach to educate the kids

Legislation is only going to cause them to wear more outrageous crap.

[TNOE]

15. I was thinking I would just post it on a message board

and enlighten a few unknowing people. And then they could pass it around.

[Obamanaut]

57. Not necessarily true. Some say 'sagging' began in sympathy for

prisoners whose trousers sagged because their belts were taken away. This may not be true either. I worked as a prison guard for 7 years, and two more after that as special ed teacher aide in the prison education system - all inmates were issued belts, except the ones who were removed from general population due to some infraction.

Others say that 'sagging' began in the L.A. area with gang members and 'gansta rap.'

What, really, does it hurt? Or who? Is it that much worse than wearing a ball cap backwards? Or an out of shape older man wearing a sleeveless t shirt or tank top?

[supernova]

8. It originally meant

you were sympathetic to prisoners who had to wear gov't issue, therefore ill-fitting, uniforms that sagged and bagged. Sorta in the same way that Johnny Cash always wore black, I guess.

But I doubt most young folks now realize where it came from.

and it's silly. I have to stifle the urge to run up behind them and yank their pants down to their ankles.

[Pab Sungenis]

12. If you did that

all you would accomplish is starting a new fashion trend.

[TNOE]

13. That is not what I heard

and I heard it from a group of prisoners. Maybe it initially started out that way.

And - on edit - if they only know how silly they look when they are trying to run and hold their pants up at the same time.

Kinda the way I look back on the shoes we wore in the 70's. Totally embarrassing to me now.

[Obamanaut]

60. I think you're closer to the origins. See my post 52 a few lines up. nt

[Delphinus]

72. And I have to stifle the urger

to run up behind them and pull their pants up!!

[Runcible Spoon]

76. please post what you wear, preferably with pics, so I can tell you how fucking stupid YOU look

oh, and don't forget to list what stenching cologne/perfume you assault the ambient air with. Thanks in advance.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. Zoot Suits are an Excessive Use of Fabric during Wartime.

[supernova]

19. Obligatory Vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IqH3uliwJY

[juno jones]

17. But its really fun

to watch them run to catch a bus with the waistband of their pants tripping them at the knees.

Personally, I think it's stupid, but it seems to be something most people grow out of eventually. And it's no dumber or socially hindering than a green mohawk or multiple facial piercings.

[donco6]

22. I thought that fad was finally dying out.

No?

[pop goes the weasel]

24. opposed by most cops, I'm sure

The cops I know all love the baggy britches. It makes catching youthful perps much easier for 40 y.o. knees.

[bertman]

25. It's definitely a lot easier to hide "the heat" in that baggy shit.

[TNOE]

28. Unless it falls out of your sweat pants

in a bar.

[McCamy Taylor]

27. "Baggy" was necessary in Hong Kong action flicks to hide the padding for the stunts.

Watch the old martial arts classics and you will see that everyone wore baggy, especially in the shoulder pads days. Had to protect those ribs anyway you could when the actors did their own stunt work. So they were all dressed in over sized shirts, hoodies, baggy pants, big coats. Watch Hard Boiled sometime. Even the women wore it.

I am guessing that is where the baggy look came from in the U.S. People wanting to look tough like Chow Yun Fat.

[KamaAina]

46. Is that the guy Julia Sugarbaker ran against that time?

Sure sounds like it. What a doofus.

Ironically, she ended up mooning the entire city of Atlanta on live TV...

[InvisibleTouch]

54. The surest way to keep the baggy style in fashion among kids...

...is to make a big deal over it and show adults getting all self-righteous and outraged. That's the whole point, after all. The more the older generation hates it, the more the kids will love it. Ignore it, and it'll go away on its own. To be replaced by something even more outrageous, I'm sure.

[dysfunctional press]

63. how do they walk with their pants like that?

and what keeps their pants from falling down around their ankles? :shrug:

i've got like, NO ass- so if my pants start to droop, i have to give them a yank up- if i don't, and i take more than two steps(like when i have bags of groceries in both hands) down they go.

[108blessings]

66. Answer to your question: they don't. They waddle like toddlers

with loads in their diapers. It's a sad, sad, sad sight to witness. Imagine spending most of your energy whilst out on the street grabbing your package constantly in order to be able to get from one place to another...

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74. Baggy Pants Leads to Dancing!

It's a gateway fashion statement. One day they're sagging their pants, the next they're dancing and holding hands in public.