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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 08:57 PM
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Bush Special Prosecutor Is Top Question for Obama


After five days of citizen voting at President-elect Obama's Change.gov website, the top-ranked question seeks a non-partisan Special Prosecutor to investigate the crimes of the Bush Administration:



"Will you appoint a Special Prosecutor - ideally Patrick Fitzgerald - to independently investigate the gravest crimes of the Bush Administration, including torture and warrantless wiretapping?" -Bob Fertik, New York City


The second round of questions began on December 30. As of January 4, nearly 4 million votes had been cast for over 63,000 questions. The first round of questions ended on December 15 with nearly 1 million votes cast for over 10,000 questions.



In the second round, citizen-submitted questions were separated by category: Economy, National Security, Foreign Policy, Education, Health Care, Energy & Environment, Science & Technology, and Additional Issues. The Special Prosecutor question appears in "Additional Issues" and had 19,624 votes as of noon on Sunday. The second-ranked question about accountability for bank bailouts (under Economy) had 17,033 votes.



The Special Prosecutor question was endorsed by Democrats.com, The Nation,People's Email Network, and key bloggers including Digby and McJoan at DailyKos.com.



As noted by Ari Melber of The Nation Magazine, the Special Prosecutor question ranked sixth in the first round of voting at the Obama site. But Melber writes, "Now that Vice President Cheney confessed his support for waterboarding on national television, flouting the rule of law, the issue is even more urgent."



According to Bob Fertik of Democrats.com, "Besides Vice President Cheney's admissions of torture, President Bush himself has admitted to illegal spying. If these actions go unprosecuted we will be sanctioning open criminality. Moreover, the Geneva Conventions require the United States to prosecute war crimes. We can stand for the rule of law or against it; the choice cannot be avoided and the question must not be."



President-elect Obama has promised to answer the top questions on his site. In this case it would be the first time since the Pennsylvania primary, and only the second time ever, he has had to address the issue of prosecuting the crimes of the Bush-Cheney administration. On April 14 he said, "if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront, then I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody above the law."



At the same time, there has been increasing speculation that President Bush, who has been relatively stingy about granting other pardons, will pardon not only Vice President Cheney, but perhaps even himself in the final minutes of his term. "If George Bush pardons Dick Cheney and himself for their crimes, the American people will be outraged," Fertik said. "Under our Constitution, Presidents swear to uphold the Constitution, not to subvert it. If a President can deliberately authorize crimes and then abuse his pardon power to protect those who commit them, we live in a dictatorship - not a democracy."



Melber believes citizen engagement is key. "With so few journalists directly asking the President-Elect about these issues, however, it is up to the rest of us to put accountability and the rule of law on the agenda."



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Voting remains open:



  1. Sign in at http://change.gov/openforquestions

  2. On the left menu, click "Additional Issues." Bob Fertik's question will appear at the top.

  3. Look right for the checkbox, mouseover it so it goes from white to dark, then click to cast your vote



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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 08:58 PM
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1. Please not Fitz. I've lost faith in his neutrality
But if Obama let's this go, all hope goes with it.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 09:01 PM
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2. Vincent Bugliosi -- he's already done the lead in work
Make HIM special prosecutor.
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ProgressIn2008 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 09:02 PM
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3. As it should be. Consent and complicity, otherwise. nt
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 09:08 PM
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4. The pardons will come
as sure as day after night.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 09:38 PM
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6. If they do, it becomes a matter for the International Criminal Court
http://www.icc-cpi.int/about/ataglance/faq.html

2. What are the key features of the ICC?

Based in the Hague, The Nederlands, the International Criminal Court is the first ever permanent international institution, with jurisdiction to prosecute individuals responsible for the most serious crimes of international concern : genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. The Court shall exercise jurisdiction over the crime of aggression once a provision is adopted defining the crime and setting out the conditions under which the Court shall exercise jurisdiction with respect to it.

The jurisdiction of the ICC will be complementary to national courts, which means that the Court will only act when countries themselves are unable or unwilling to investigate or prosecute.

<snip>

4. Doesn’t “complementarity” mean that the International Criminal Court can never prosecute if a country holds its own trial?

The International Criminal Court will complement national courts so that they retain jurisdiction to try genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes.

If a case is being considered by a country with jurisdiction over it, then the ICC cannot act unless the country is unwilling or unable genuinely to investigate or prosecute.

A country may be determined to be "unwilling" if it is clearly shielding someone from responsibility for ICC crimes. A country may be "unable" when its legal system has collapsed.

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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 09:11 AM
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7. If they are not prosecuted here, there will be very few countries they can travel to
without risk of being arrested and put on trial. I hope I live long enough to see all of them tried and convicted.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:57 AM
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10. I would think it would be
Edited on Tue Jan-06-09 03:58 AM by BecauseBushSaysSo
Our patriotic duty to turn them over. And by International Law I would think they could come and get them. They should do it right after the Inauguration. Let Bush Cheney get into their limo and be taken straight to jail without warning. And let the world judge them because their war on terror is world wide and they were the ones who said "If you ain't with us your against us"
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:01 PM
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8. If there is a way to pardon, there is a way to UN-pardon.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 09:24 PM
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5. However this will be answered, I hope it's not buried and will be answered.
Thank you, David, for holding our next admin accountable. It's important.

And they asked. :)
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:02 PM
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9. Thanks David, this is very important, i'll try to get you some more coverage on this
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 11:40 AM
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11. We must prosecute these criminals, or we have no rule of law, and our constitution is meaningless.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 11:48 AM
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12. Surprised New Republic's not on that list of supporters
Ok, not really. haha

Julie
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 12:19 PM
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13. Fitz is a bush* tool
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