No one here opposes tax cuts for the rich why does there seem to be opposition to

[originalpckelly]

tax cuts for the uber wealthy? We are not the anti-wealth party.

[billyoc]

1. Ha!

:rofl:

[originalpckelly]

5. Laugh now comrade, but if you should have an unknown uber rich relative...

and they leave you money, you won't be laughing later. :P

[Idealism]

2. Uhhh

What?

[Statistical]

3. Lost me (n/t)

[originalpckelly]

9. No one here opposes you being lost, yet they oppose me getting lost...

why is that? We are not the party of the anti-lost.

[KT2000]

4. Good one!

We are the party of cloning the rich!

[originalpckelly]

7. I say we start with that steaming hot hunk Bill Gates.

That way we can all buy music players that freeze at the stroke of midnight in years with leap seconds. :P

[valerief]

6. No one here opposes sweat, so why all the opposition to sweat shops?

Huh?

[originalpckelly]

8. Indeed.

=)

[GreenTea]

22. !!

[begin_within]

10. I oppose tax cuts for the rich.

In fact I would like to see their tax rates restored to pre-Reagan levels.

[spag68]

17. tax rates

pre-Eisenhower would be even better.

[stillcool]

11. We don't have to oppose anything..

for the uber-wealthy. They take care of that by having oodles of tax laws, and loop holes written for them.

[Tab]

12. I'm not sure I should respond, but I will

There is a minimum level of financing to allow a "decent life". At some point, you reach a level at which you have all your expenses covered, and the rest is "gravy", so to speak.

I personally at one point was making about a quarter of a million dollars a year. I don't know the magical number, but there was a point at which everything else was just savings or luxury.

$250k, as good as it sounds, is probably minor for the upper middle class. You only need so much, beyond which you just no longer need to really focus on what things cost.

I don't make anything like that now - in fact, due to illness, I'm not even working.

Nevertheless, I never objected to paying taxes. In fact, where I live, there is no income tax, but there's a high property tax. I would have much preferred an income tax over a property tax, as I will have to pay a property tax for as long as I own a property, as opposed to an income tax which is directly tied to my level of income at the moment.

I don't have a problem with tax cuts for the "wealthy", but I think they should be secondary to tax cuts for the middle or lower income classes. The problem with this administration is that they made tax cuts for the wealthy before affording lower-income groups similar (or greater) relief. Not to mention that Bush insisted on getting the tax cuts approved before announcing the expected the cost of the Iraq war, which to my mind is an example of irresponsible puppyhood (or simply cynical self-indulgence).

So, sure, let's give the "rich" tax cuts. But lets make sure the lesser-funded population gets taken care of first.

[originalpckelly]

13. Sarcasm is obviously lost on you folks, which is why I love you all so much.

:P

[Tab]

16. Well, I was surprised you could take that position

and not being called on it well before your 1000 posts. But, as I said, I'm sick, so I'm not focusing.

Regardless, it's a good topic. And, as I said, I don't care if the "rich" get tax cuts, but they shouldn't be first in line.

[valerief]

14. If we slaves didn't get incomes, we'd have a 100% tax cut. The uber-rich

will get us there sooner than we think.

[Ichingcarpenter]

15. We'd be afraid of losing our golden shower they been giving us over the years

With their trinkle down economic theory........

Wait........ I never did like getting pissed on.
Tax the fuckers hard.

[NYC_SKP]

19. LOL!

A rising yellow tide lifts us all!

:rofl:

[L0oniX]

18. I suggest we all become homeless so we don't pay any taxes ..just like the rich people.

[Donnachaidh]

20. psstt -- haven't you heard? We are ALL going to become uber-wealthy

We're gonna do it by picking the mega-ball numbers, or sue the asshole who rear-ended our car, killing our (place a close relative's name here) and we'll make out like raped apes!

Or,,,,we'll invent the latest plastic widget that will be advertised by that guy who shouts in adverts, and we'll sell 3 trillion of the widgets at $19.95 (plus shipping and handling). Then we'll buy a mansion in Miami and shuttle all our widget money to the Caymans and live off the shipping and handling charges as our *income*.

Or -- we'll be discovered by the hot new director who is looking for a guy/girl who looks JUST like ME - and we'll get multi-million-dollar movie contracts and spend our off time traveling around to film festivals, filling up our cars with swag, and stuffing cocaine up our nose, while texting our plastic surgeons to verify the appointment to get the cottage cheese sucked out of our ass the very next day...

or..... we'll get on American Idol and breeze through that because Simon has decided from day one he loves ME and the others get blown out of the water and I'm signed on a ten-year-contract....

or.... :shrug:

We ALL are going to be wealthy someday, so why put through taxes that will hurt US so much in the future? Kinda dumb thing to do, huh? :sarcasm:

[LaPera]

21. I sure as fuck would love to be ultra rich & pay a shitload more taxes, than

being poor and paying much less...

The rich have their loopholes and will continue to fight and lobby for more...fuck the workers and our infrastructure & our environment...let the ultra-rich make & exploit for even more, and let them pay the same tax rate as the poor....

This country was not created for the rich to keep piling in the money, getting subsidies, tax cuts and loopholes to maintain their wealth, own everything and the pass it on to their next generation....that's why monopolies are suppose to be broken up...however, the republicans never met a monopoly they didn't love....fuck the workers and future generation, higher education is for the rich...fuck new generations starting in the hole in our country....let the rich steal more, make more and but not tax them more??

As the rich have their extremely rich & well paid assholes like the republican pigman Limbaugh, pounding into the workers that good for them and America for the rich to pay less taxes and keep building impossible wealth and someday you'll be rich too and you'll not want to pay more taxes...BULLSHI as I stated I'd love to be rich and pay more taxes and doing more than those who have less!

Grow-up and get fucking real!

This country was founded on helping others in our society, less fortunate with the privileged rich & corporations paying more to help others...it made our country proud & strong

But the last thirty years or so these are insatiable greedy, selfish republican pigs, want it all forever, change the rules fuck society and the underprivileged...they are never satisfied, need more and more to feed their sickness and you think it fine as it destroy our country in so many ways it's not funny....

Wake up already - FUCK!

[karynnj]

23. Well, given the number of things that should be done -

to insure that everyone has access to healthcare, education, shelter, food and a national infrastructure that keeps us at least on a par with other first world nations - the government needs money. Currently, these needs are not being met and we still have a huge deficit - even though Bush keeps things like the Iraq and Afghanistan wars off budget because "we don't know how much it will be" (don't try with your own budget - putting in a zero for, say, food or medical, because you don't know.)

It is intellectually dishonest to claim that enough saving can be found by eliminating "waste" or "corruption" - that should be done but it will not be near enough. Nor is it feasible to say as the Bushies did that deficits don't matter - the truth is we can't continue to sell our debt permanently.

We DO need a stimulus package because, at this point, the government has to be the entity of last resort putting money into the economy to create new, real jobs - which will give the people filling them money to buy things from others - stimulating those businesses and paying taxes - increasing revenues. By their very definition, the stimulus package will temporarily increase the deficit.

The other thing is that the uber wealthy got the bulk of the money from the tax cuts in the last 8 years. In earlier years, the issue was to "roll back" the tax cuts for the wealthiest people - in 2 (or 3?) years, we face the end of those tax cuts. The original legislation had the tax cuts expire in 10 years - why? - because the balance sheet didn't work otherwise. That balance sheet was created before the first Bush recession and 911, the wars and, of course, the incredible current financial situation. This led to bizarre situations - like the estate tax gradually decreasing to zero - only to reappear full blown at the end of 10 years. The intent was likely that expressed by Grover Norquist - which was to shrink government so small that it could be drown in a bathtub. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Norquist )

For the last several years, teh Republicans have called canceling future tax cuts or not "making the tax cuts permanent" raising taxes. In other words, they want what was NEVER viable when the tax cuts were passed having a 10 year plan and date where everything expired. It was an intensely dishonest piece of legislation.

[Trajan]

24. Those who benefit the most from the security of the state ...

Should pay a higher percentage of their income to maintain that state ...

Each according to their ability ....

Furthermore: The 'uber' rich got tax cuts during the last 8 years that FAR SURPASSED those of the middle class .... and so they contributed LESS to pay for the bailouts than what should have been, and yet it was their investments that benefited most .... They paid LESS, and got the most ....

The game has been slanted towards them long enough ... It is time to balance the table ....