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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 06:53 PM
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Is Carlyle Next to Go Bust?
Sweet Schadenfreude...



The Ultimate Bubble?
At a lavish conference in Monaco, the game was guessing which big private-equity firm will be first to go bust. But the smoke and mirrors that wrecked the global economy might actually save the likes of K.K.R. and Blackstone.
by MICHAEL WOLFF
February 2009

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/02/wolff200902

Here’s a parlor game, played best by the people who are in it: Which private-equity firm’s going bust first? Carlyle? Fortress? K.K.R.? Cerberus? Apollo? Could it even be mighty Blackstone, with its vast real-estate holdings? Which of these one-word-branded enterprises (the word should emphasize strength, opacity, and preferably be culled from mythology—though no one in private equity, rest assured, reads his Bulfinch’s) that make up what’s been called the world’s “shadow banking system” will collapse and, in the domino pattern of this financial crisis, take the other firms with it?
There’s an urgency to this question because no big firm has actually gone bust—yet. All of the behemoth investment groups that sit on top of trillions of dollars of the largest capital accumulation outside the public markets remain suspended over the global economy like awfully big shoes waiting to drop. The wait increases both the suspense and the bitchiness of the game: somehow every private-equity guy (private-equity guys have been among the most unpopular figures of the great bubble) feels he’s been more prudent and responsible than all the others. Given the credit crunch, no private-equity deals are getting done now—chances are that what you’re doing with your idle hours as a P.E. man is trying to figure out who deserves to crash and burn before you.

There’s an urgency to this question because no big firm has actually gone bust—yet. All of the behemoth investment groups that sit on top of trillions of dollars of the largest capital accumulation outside the public markets remain suspended over the global economy like awfully big shoes waiting to drop. The wait increases both the suspense and the bitchiness of the game: somehow every private-equity guy (private-equity guys have been among the most unpopular figures of the great bubble) feels he’s been more prudent and responsible than all the others. Given the credit crunch, no private-equity deals are getting done now—chances are that what you’re doing with your idle hours as a P.E. man is trying to figure out who deserves to crash and burn before you.

For reasons that, at this particular moment in economic time, make little sense—and border on the totally embarrassing—I was in Monaco recently at a business conference that attracted many private-equity types who are still traveling grandly on the 2 percent fees private-equity firms pay themselves on the money they’ve raised. At my table in the ballroom of the Hôtel de Paris, in Monte Carlo, at a dinner hosted by Prince Albert of Monaco, there was a gentleman whose company, backed by private equity, had gone public and risen to $130 a share, but had, through the terrible autumn, dropped to $17. To my left there was a gentleman from K.K.R.—the seminal name in the corporate-buyout business, having survived and profited off a quarter-century’s worth of bubbles and busts. Actually, the gentleman joined K.K.R. after the collapse of Lehman Brothers, where he had been for many years. (By my quick calculation, in all that time of being compensated with Lehman stock, he probably lost between $30 and $120 million in the collapse. Still, he seemed to have homes in London, Dubai, and New York.) I asked, lowering my voice, “So … who’s on the brink?”

“Carlyle,” he responded darkly. Indeed, Carlyle Capital Corporation, the arm of the Carlyle Group that invests in mortgage-backed securities, had defaulted last spring on more than $16 billion.


==more at link==






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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 06:55 PM
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1. Please do not toy with my deepest fantasies
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 06:59 PM
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3. Maybe we're on a roll
I hope Bush Sr. has every penny in it.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 08:10 PM
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14. This would be the best thing
to come out of all of this mess, if Fucking Carlyle were taken down in the process.


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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 08:14 PM
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15. I want the Bushes to lose the family fortune in the process
I want them too broke to pay for criminal defense attorneys for Junior
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 08:16 PM
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16. That's what I mean
the businesses as well as the families. And their Fixer, James Baker as well.
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 08:20 PM
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18. but will the fall of Carlyle Capital Group bring the whole Carlyle Group down?
aren't they diversified enough to still survive?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 08:35 PM
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20. They laid off ten percent of the staff two weeks ago
They closed their CA office.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 10:29 PM
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36. I misread your post and thought you said
Edited on Thu Jan-01-09 10:29 PM by dflprincess
they closed their CIA office - well, it might come to that as well. :rofl:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 07:01 PM
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4. Ditto
:rofl:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 09:25 PM
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28. Yeah, but what if Congress decides that we must bail them out too?!
:grr:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 06:55 PM
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2. Hope Springs Eternal!
Carlyle Capital Corporation = Robber Barons and Blue-Blood Mobsters




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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 07:03 PM
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7. LOL...I love you,swamp rat!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 07:13 PM
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10. It's gonna be a hot time in the old U.S.A. !
:hi:
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 10:48 AM
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46. Ivy League Mafia.
Old money, dirty money.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 09:27 PM
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49. Exactly, positively, without a doubt!
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 07:02 PM
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5. If this happens,
and I need to find out where to pray to to make sure it does, do we then give Bernie Maddow one of those fancy medals Chimpy Fucknuts always gives to his people who screwed up the most?

I'd go for that.

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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 07:03 PM
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6. Are you sure the BFFE-types haven't gotten out before now?
I saw something a couple of years ago to the effect that Cheney had transferred his assets into inflation-protected Treasuries and the like.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 08:39 PM
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22. Not that it really happens this way, but aren't the
investments of the pres & vp supposed to be held in a blind trust for them?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 09:39 PM
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29. it's Bush Sr. who works with Carlyle
Junior will get the dough when he's dead
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 08:41 PM
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23. And I recall reading, a few years ago, that bush-the-first had also gotten out of
Edited on Thu Jan-01-09 08:42 PM by calimary
Carlyle. Probably didn't like being part of something that was no longer hush-hush. Sneaky old shit. He likely preferred being involved with something the general public knew nothing about. But people heard a LOT about the Carlyle Group.

Their family fortune has always been tainted with blood, thanks to dear darling prescott bush, the Nazi collaborator.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 12:10 AM
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39. He may not be shilling for them
Edited on Fri Jan-02-09 12:11 AM by Stephanie
But I do hope he's fully invested with them
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 12:44 AM
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40. The Lesson: Once a co.'s ID'd, they move on to another one. (It's easy.)
Edited on Fri Jan-02-09 12:50 AM by snot
I'm not sure how much point there is on fixating on Carlyle or the like once they've moved on.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 07:03 PM
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8. Won't that be sweet
But no taxpayer money should to go to save these evil bitches...
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 07:07 PM
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9. Some background info for those not familiar with Carlyle >
Edited on Thu Jan-01-09 07:14 PM by Stephanie



http://web.archive.org/web/20030607113821/http://redherring.com/vc/2002/0111/947.html

Carlyle's way

Making a mint inside "the iron triangle" of defense, government, and industry.


By Dan Briody 
January 8, 2002

Like everyone else in the United States, the group stood transfixed as the events of September 11 unfolded. Present were former secretary of defense Frank Carlucci, former secretary of state James Baker III, and representatives of the bin Laden family. This was not some underground presidential bunker or Central Intelligence Agency interrogation room. It was the Ritz-Carlton in Washington, D.C., the plush setting for the annual investor conference of one of the most powerful, well-connected, and secretive companies in the world: the Carlyle Group. And since September 11, this little-known company has become unexpectedly important.

That the Carlyle Group had its conference on America's darkest day was mere coincidence, but there is nothing accidental about the cast of characters that this private-equity powerhouse has assembled in the 14 years since its founding. Among those associated with Carlyle are former U.S. president George Bush Sr., former U.K. prime minister John Major, and former president of the Philippines Fidel Ramos. And Carlyle has counted George Soros, Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Alsaud of Saudi Arabia, and Osama bin Laden's estranged family among its high-profile clientele. The group has been able to parlay its political clout into a lucrative buyout practice (in other words, purchasing struggling companies, turning them around, and selling them for huge profits)--everything from defense contractors to telecommunications and aerospace companies. It is a kind of ruthless investing made popular by the movie Wall Street, and any industry that relies heavily on government regulation is fair game for Carlyle's brand of access capitalism. Carlyle has established itself as the gatekeeper between private business interests and U.S. defense spending. And as the Carlyle investors watched the World Trade towers go down, the group's prospects went up.

In running what its own marketing literature spookily calls "a vast, interlocking, global network of businesses and investment professionals" that operates within the so-called iron triangle of industry, government, and the military, the Carlyle Group leaves itself open to any number of conflicts of interest and stunning ironies. For example, it is hard to ignore the fact that Osama bin Laden's family members, who renounced their son ten years ago, stood to gain financially from the war being waged against him until late October, when public criticism of the relationship forced them to liquidate their holdings in the firm. Or consider that U.S. president George W. Bush is in a position to make budgetary decisions that could pad his father's bank account. But for the Carlyle Group, walking that narrow line is the art of doing business at the murky intersection of Washington politics, national security, and private capital; mastering it has enabled the group to amass $12 billion in funds under management. But while successful in the traditional private-equity avenue of corporate buyouts, Carlyle has recently set its sites on venture capital with less success. The firm is finding that all the politicians in the world won't help it identify an emerging technology or a winning business model.




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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 07:19 PM
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11. Too much to hope for.
Anyone who doesn't know it, Carlyle is the cover company for Bush's personal investments in the global ponzi scheme called the iraq occupation.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 09:15 PM
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26. Iraq is a gold mine of corporate privitization. No Ponzi.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 08:07 PM
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12. Here's a youtube on Carlyle (excerpt from Michael Moore's "Farenheit 9-11")
Edited on Thu Jan-01-09 08:17 PM by Stephanie
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 08:09 PM
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13. "So let it be written..
So let it be done!"

From one of history's biggest losers to another:


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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 09:05 PM
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25. yul was so sexy back then.
i hope they fall like dominoes. i hope they lose their international cache. i hope that house of saud and the bin laden's realize what criminals and losers those repubs are.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 09:16 PM
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27. Wasn't he though!
Yul is sorely missed, at least by me.
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Tighelander Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 01:28 AM
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41. Still the Holiday Season...
so I wonder if there were any jokes that included "Yul" and "Log"?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 08:19 PM
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17. Sweet!
:-)
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pilsner Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 08:31 PM
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19. Carlyle will become a "bank" in a New York minute
I hate to rain on the parade but I'd bet the farm that Carlyle files to become a Bank and gets a bailout before the chimp leaves D.C.

I'm surprised the billions in war profits that Bush/Cheney has delivered for Carlyle more than make up for losses from mortgage-backed securities?

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 08:36 PM
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21. Whenever these big firms go bust, they're looted from within first.
It would be fascinatinating to look to see who took their profits out before the implosion, and where that capital landed.

Follow the money, and arrest the insider-survivors.

Where did G.H.W. and Madoff put their looted billions?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 08:53 PM
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24. Sweet revenge
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 09:58 PM
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30. Doesn't perpetual war mean perpetual profits?
Something's seriously wrong, there, at Carlyle. Besides the Bush-bin Laden connections, I mean.



Bush family touched by subprime crisis

By F William Engdahl
Asia Times
Mar 12, 2008

The severity of its liquidity problems indicates that the unfolding financial crisis is taking major parts of the US financial and political elite down with it. Carlyle Capital Corp Ltd, a subsidiary of one of the most influential US private equity funds and closely tied to the Bush family, is in default on several of its securities. Carlyle is an offshore subsidiary of the Washington-based Carlyle Group, one of the most politically powerful private equity firms of the past two decades.

Among the leading partners of the Carlyle Group in recent years have been George H W Bush, father of President George W Bush; James Baker III, the Bush family's attorney and fixer; and former British prime minister John Major.

Carlyle Capital reports it is attempting to convince lenders holding US$16 billion in securities not to liquidate the company's remaining collateral. The company is a listed mortgage-bond fund managed by the Carlyle Group. The Carlyle Group already has loaned Carlyle Capital $150 million to cover debt obligations since July 2007. In the past several days it failed to meet margin calls with four banks.

The fear in the market according to informed reports is that its entire portfolio, recently valued at $21 billion, could be sold off in a distress sale, putting major downward pressure on all mortgage bonds globally. A collapse at Carlyle would hit the value of all fixed-income securities, which have already dropped sharply as banks pull back on their lending, and force a new global round of asset sales.

Margin calls

In the past days, Carlyle Capital admitted it had received "substantial additional margin calls and additional default notices from its lenders". It said lenders are selling off securities held as collateral. Margin calls are demanded when a creditor questions the ability of the borrower to repay.

Shares in the fund, which trades on Euronext Amsterdam, have been suspended after closing down nearly 60%. Carlyle Capital was a prime example of the financial engineering encouraged during the Federal Reserve's Alan Greenspan era by Washington. It had leveraged $670 million in equity by an alarmingly high 32 times to finance a $21.7 billion portfolio of highly rated mortgage-backed securities issued by US housing mortgage agencies Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. To finance the deals it entered into repurchase agreements with banks where it posted the mortgage securities as collateral in exchange for cash. If the value of the security held as collateral falls, the lender has the right to ask for more collateral - a margin call - to secure the loan.

CONTINUED...lol...

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/global_economy/jc12dj02.html



Great thread, filled with interesting news. Wonder what James R. Bath is doing these days?

Happy New Year to You and Yours, Stephanie! If the Carlyle Group can go bust, what's gonna happen to us in steerage?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 09:59 PM
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31. If you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose!
So I'm not worried! :hi:
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 10:03 PM
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32. Vanity Fair has been doing a lot of great work lately

They usually do, but their piece on the Oral History of the WH Bush years was outstanding. Now this piece on hedge funds is also well referenced and detailed.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 10:06 PM
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33. Check out the Wolcott year end wrap up
So well written - hilarious. Sample:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/02/wolcott200902

Such a grim note for this inaugural season. Let’s jolly it up a bit to find succor and inspiration in the unfatal misfortune of others, those divinely ordained flops intended to teach humility to the unteachable. Poetic justice doesn’t get more perfectly crafted than the spectacle of Fox News political analyst Karl Rove—Bush’s “brain,” the intellectual architect of the permanent Republican majority, the reigning dean of the Lee Atwater school of cutthroat division, the hissable villain who busted hip-hop moves with NBC’s David Gregory—watching his dream castle wash out to sea as Pennsylvania and Ohio went for Obama, and with it his hope of spending the rest of history gloating with both baby cheeks. An unrepentant Communist watching the Berlin Wall crumble must have felt something akin to Rove’s emotions as repudiation rolled across the scoreboard. Moreover, the McCain team was riddled with Rovians, McCain’s defeat thereby denying Rove the paternal pride of seeing his protégés—the Devil’s disciples—carry on his works and secure his legacy. When Rove was a power source inside the White House, rivals and foes alike could magnify his dark intentions, imagining the evil directives winging from his brow. But upon leaving the service of President Bush in 2007 (rat, ship, flee), Rove was divested of his wizard mystique, deprived of his base; he hopped on the merry-go-round of Beltway punditry, quickly establishing himself as the thinking man’s Dick Morris, which is something of a comedown after being Satan. Instead of picking up the phone and making people’s lives hell, he’s now peddling standard op-ed mush with an extra dab of gall. Without any apparent sense of self-irony he took to his Wall Street Journal pulpit to intone, “Now Obama Has to Govern.” Given Rove’s profound involvement with the Bush White House, which wrecked the country’s image abroad and plunged the nation into an economic abyss (Great Depression II: Jurassic Edition), he’s the last person to be lecturing anybody about governance. It’s like putting Sarah Palin in charge of sentence construction.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 10:17 PM
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34. hey thanks for pointing it out
Just finished the first page and it looks to a comedic classic. Wolcott has a great style of writing and his insight hits the target more than most.

A good read, thanks again.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 11:38 PM
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38. I love VF
People dismiss it because of the celebrity aspect but the political stories are terrific and the POV is always satisfying.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 10:27 PM
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35. Can we seize their assets in Dubai?
I would hate to have my tax dollars all disappear
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 10:32 PM
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37. Will Jenna & Barbara and all the other little Bushes have to get real jobs?
Will George-Boy have to use a public defender or will James Baker still stick up for him?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 02:11 AM
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42. One can only pray that they do and pray that we don't bail them out. n/t
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 02:14 AM
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43. Could the world be that lucky?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:48 AM
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45. I'm feeling lucky, aren't you?
And, since this whole industry seem built on smoke and mirrors, just the appearance of insolvency could be enough to push them over the brink, I think.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 12:23 PM
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47. That "appearance of insolvency" stuff works for me, but you know these sorts...
of truly nefarious thinkers are always looking way down the road i.e. 190thousand/mil acres (who can remember seems like ancient history) of fresh water in Paraguay, maybe no truer injustice to the world the day Jenna Bush becomes Queen of Paraguay, and her uncle Neil her nation's education secretary

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/neil-bush-the-rev-moon-paraguay-and-the-us-dept-of-education
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 05:14 AM
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44. that would be great! Serves them right.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 05:18 PM
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48. If only they are brought down. Hitting the concrete. Poppy's wealth *poof* gone.
Karma says it's about time.
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