3 arrested and 1 sought in that gang rape of lesbian.

[Liberal_in_LA]

Remember this story? There were two threads posted on it last month. Thank goodness they may have the perps in custody. link to prior thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4703688

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090101/D95EI3680.html

3 arrested in N. California gang rape of lesbian


Jan 1, 2:59 PM (ET)


RICHMOND, Calif. (AP) - One man and two teens have been arrested on suspicion of gang-raping a woman last month in the San Francisco Bay area while allegedly taunting her for being a lesbian, police said Thursday as they searched for a fourth suspect.

Officers arrested Humberto Hernandez Salvador at his Richmond home Wednesday night, Richmond police Lt. Mark Gagan said. The 31-year-old is being held without bail on gang rape, kidnapping and carjacking charges.

Police on Wednesday also arrested a 15-year-old Richmond boy and a 16-year-old Hercules boy, who were being held at a juvenile detention center on similar charges. Their names were not released.

Police would not detail each person's alleged involvement in the attack but said tips from local residents led to the arrests.

Investigators are still seeking 21-year-old Josue Gonzalez, who had prior addresses in San Rafael and Richmond, on a $1 million arrest warrant for gang rape, kidnapping and carjacking, police said. Gonzalez was called by the nickname "Pato" during the attack and is considered armed and dangerous, Gagan said

[DeSwiss]

1. Great.

I hope they throw all these bastards under the jail. I won't say what I'd really prefer.

- But it involves a long sharp knife, and testes....

K&R

[Jamastiene]

3. A dull knife was what was in my mind, actually.

Either that or a roast beef slicer...one with a rusty dull blade.

[Soylent Brice]

25. "why a spoon, cousin? why not a knife, or an axe?"

"cause it'll hurt more, you TWIT!"

[Sobiut]

37. My thoughts exactly!

Anyway, good news.

[Raster]

39. I vote for a rusty, dull cheese grater.

[PDJane]

2. And doesn't he look absolutely brilliant......

a model citizen, no doubt.

[LeftyMom]

4. There's a fund to raise money for the victim. If you'd like the info please let me know

as I'm not sure what the rules are on posting things like that.

[Liberal_in_LA]

5. I think it's ok to post the link

[LeftyMom]

6. Here's the email I got from Equality Action Now

TRADGEDY
On December 13th, a twenty-eight-year-old California woman was brutally raped by four men because she is a lesbian and had a rainbow sticker on her car.

See the story here: http://equalityactionnow.c.topica.com/maamGt9abM2NQcdx1tkbaehuKb/

The woman could need months to recover physically and years to recover psychologically. She was attacked near her apartment and does not want to go back. Along with her partner and their eight-year-old daughter, she will need to find a new home. She needs our emotional and financial support.

If you would like to send a card, please mail it to:
Richmond Police Department
Attn: Sgt. Brian Dickerson
1701 Regatta Blvd.
Richmond, CA 94804

If you can send a financial contribution (even a few dollars) to help her pay her medical bills, moving fees, and other costs associated with her recovery, please mail a check payable to Community Violence Solutions to:

Community Violence Solutions
2101 Van Ness Ave.,
San Pablo, CA 94806
Attn: Mrs. Joanne Douglas

In the memo section of the check please write: Richmond Jane Doe
For credit card donations, please go to:
http://equalityactionnow.c.topica.com/maamGt9abM2NRcdx1tkbaehuKb/

IMPORTANT: You must indicate that you want to the credit card donation to go to Richmond Jane Doe.
Please start sending your cards and donations as soon as possible. This woman needs to know that she's not alone in this.

[Liberal_in_LA]

7. update: 4th rapist caught!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,474877,00.html

Arrested in Calif. Lesbian's 'Extreme' Gang Rape


Josue Gonzalez
RICHMOND, Calif. — Two men and two teens have been arrested on suspicion of gang-raping a woman last month in the San Francisco Bay area while allegedly taunting her for being a lesbian, police said Thursday.

Officers arrested Humberto Hernandez Salvador at his Richmond home Wednesday night, Richmond police Lt. Mark Gagan said. The 31-year-old is being held without bail on gang rape, kidnapping and carjacking charges.

Police on Wednesday also arrested a 15-year-old Richmond boy and a 16-year-old Hercules boy, who were being held at a juvenile detention center on similar charges. Their names were not released.

Josue Gonzalez, 21, turned himself in Thursday after police announced they were searching for him. He was wanted on charges of gang rape, kidnapping and carjacking.

[malaise]

40. Good

Throw away the keys.

[TWiley]

8. I think that religious condemnation shares a bit of the blame for this crime.

I am thrilled they caught these thugs, but I am concerned that this type of crime is actually encouraged by the fundamentalist religious community that demonizes, and dehumanizes different groups, religions, and races.

My thought is that there are some who look for socially acceptable reasons to act violently or criminaly. While the phred phelps's of this world will never admit to trying to create an environment where this type of crime could flourish, I have a feeling that he would be pleased as punch if it happend more often. His reaction to the torture and murder of Mathew Shepard should suffice as evidence to support this opinion.

oh, and before I get flamed, please notice that i said "fundamentalist" meaning the type that actively endorses bigotry against the homosexual community

[Sanctified]

9. Yeah the guy in the pic looks like he attends regular "fundamentalist" Church services. n/t

[TWiley]

11. Well you dont have to attend the church

All you have to do is be exposed to the bigotry. I believe California recently had some same-sex marriage proposal on the ballot. The backwash from this type of campaign can affect the feeble-minded.

Some people really do look for "socially acceptable" outlets for their rage. I work with a couple people who are constantly framing every discussion into this format:

"Well if the fucker broke into my house, I would shoot him three times and drag him back inside and shoot him gain if he escaped."

"If that happened to me, or my family, I will kill the fucker right there in the court room"

"I wish someone would steal a purse in front of me, I carry a conceiled weapon"

How about abortion clinic bombing?

bla bla bla

I will omit the more racist, religious, and homophobic comments I hear.

Now, when the religious community publicly says a group will burn in hell, or that god hates them, or watever, I do feel there is a group out there who would take the que. A few years ago, a topless bar opened near a funamentalist church where I live. The congregation prayed that God would tear it down. Soon, one of their members was arrested for arson.

[Sanctified]

17. Yeah and Marylin Manson caused Columbine, right. n/t

[TWiley]

20. Curious, what is the connection between Manson and Columbine?

I dont disagree that there might be something, I am just unaware of it.

[Sanctified]

21. Right wingers blamed Manson and what they deemed hate music for Columbine. n/t

[TWiley]

23. I guess I missed that one

It is possible I supppose, butt I think it is more likely to happen if someone really believes they wll win the approval of their God, or their culture.

I wonder if the columbine shooters were looking for approval of some group in a sick way. Mc Veigh sure was, so was Rudloph, the abortion clinic bomber.

[Sanctified]

26. But you don't know if these guys even know anything about Christianity

or even Prop 8, hell these guys could be social degenerates who don't even know whats happening outside their houses.

[TWiley]

30. Right, I do not know. But again, it is their hatred of her sexuality.

It was this hatred that caught my eye. It was not the hatred of her race, it was the fact that she was a lesbian. This type of hatred is most often endorsed by the fundamentalist community. I think it trickles into the larger community.

Oh, we can do this to him or her because they have nobody. This reasoning is also why prostitutes are often targets. trash, disposable, not human.

[yardwork]

31. You can bet that they weren't raised in houses that respected lesbians.

Where did the people in their household get those ideas?

[TWiley]

32. On second thought, the Catholic faith is prevelent in the hispanic community.

There are some Catholic sects that are extremely anti-homosexual. Of course, i do not know this to be a fact in this case.

[Hanse]

10. There's a guy in LBN blaming...

"certain ethnic minorities."

[TWiley]

12. It is the apparent hatred of her sexuality that caught my eye

This is most likely religious, and not ethnic. At least that is my opinion

[yardwork]

15. Horrific treatment of GLBTQ people is encouraged by our society in many ways.

There are the violent extremists. There are the fundamentalist preachers screaming from the pulpits about "abominations." There are the highly-funded, cleverly marketed political campaigns to legitimize bigotry in every state and at the federal level. And there is the passive acceptance of all those things, signaled by the actions and non-actions of our leaders.

[TWiley]

16. Not to mention all the crap I hear at work.

I sincerely do feel that religion at least "legitimizes" this type of behavior.

[yardwork]

19. I agree. We're seeing that the highest levels of government.

[JANdad]

35. Question if I may please?

What does the "Q" in the accronym stand for?

[yardwork]

36. Queer or Questioning.

Some gay folks - like me - like "queer" as an all-inclusive term that we are taking back from bigots.

[JANdad]

42. yeah thats what I thought...

later last night it hit me like a ton of bricks...lol...it was like....well duh!...Dumbass (Me)

Thanks

[yardwork]

18. Violence against GLBTQ people is not confined to any ethnic group - it is pervasive.

[TWiley]

22. The only common denominator I can find is religious.

Young, Old, Male, Female, this race, that race. It is pervasive. Religion transends race, age, and culture. Some would say it actually defines these.

[yardwork]

24. Good point. Religion is the only "rational" excuse given for the hatred.

But, as you say, the hatred itself emanates out into the society at large, so that everyone - religious or not - is influenced.

Even gay people are influenced. Many of us struggle with feelings of shame.

[TWiley]

27. Did you know that Frankenstien was not a monster ---

until after he was rejected by his "creator"? I think that rejection is a primal fear.

The worst punishment is excommunication. No tribe ment that you would die alone to the sabertooth tiger. To escape the possibility of this rejection ... rejection by the creator, rejection from the tribe, people are willing to do all kinds of criminal things.

Now consider the issue of same-sex marriage in this context. A group of people are not allowed to form their own legal and social communities. This forces the effects of excommunication.

[yardwork]

29. Yes.

[Ex Lurker]

43. Powerless groups often lash out at other powerless groups.

as horrible as the crime was, they are victims too. Assuming they actually did it, which is a big if. The cops could have just rounded up the "usual suspects," ie Latinos, especially if they're immigrants.

[Gwendolyn]

44. No, actually when it comes to rape, it isn't only the powerless who offend.

Rape is one of those crimes that is perpetrated regardless of class, race, religion, etc. It amazes me that people are so ill-informed.

As far as their ethnicity... the original report contained descriptions of the criminals. It seems likely that since the attack took close to an hour the victim got a decent look at them. It's an easy assumption that after the first three were caught, they gave up the fourth. Or maybe she had already identified him from pics. What ethnicity they are, doesn't matter. They are filth regardless.

To say that these criminals are victims too is probably one of the earliest asshole comments of the year. I hope you are never raped, but if you are, I guarantee you'll lose that opinion fast.

[yardwork]

13. I agree. If kindness and love encourages more love, why wouldn't hatred encourage more hate?

[TWiley]

14. That makes sense to me. n/t

[WI_DEM]

28. I hope they get life even the minors.

Call me a heartless bastard but at 15 and 16 you know what is right and wrong.

[democrank]

33. What a horrible crime.

I hope the victim gets all the help she needs.

[TWiley]

34. As do I

Unfortunately, the poor soul is probably scarred for life. It is awful.

[Starry Messenger]

38. A link to a website for supporting the victim.

http://liz-henry.blogspot.com/2008/12/help-out-richmond-jane-doe-rape.html

Poor woman. I hope these terror-mongers get the book thrown at them. Tragic and horrible.

[TWiley]

41. kick