When America breaks up, what will be the smaller new countries?

[leftofthedial]

Where will you want to live?

[hamsterjill]

1. Texas will be the Republican Hub!!

So, can I come and live with you???!!!

[Name removed]

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[XemaSab]

74. Right... because those states have never given us any Democratic leaders

like MLK, Ann Richards, Carter, Clinton, Molly Ivins, Al Gore, or anyone else worthwhile... :eyes:

[leftstreet]

2. I'm hoping WA state gets folded into British Columbia

But that's just me

:D

[Captain Hilts]

7. Even after UBC stole WU's Rose Bowl trophy????

[leftstreet]

14. ...

:rofl:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. I could learn to add "eh" and pretend to like ice-hocky.

[Captain Hilts]

60. You'd look silly in a mullett. nt

[woofless]

49. WooHoo! Republic of Cascadia.

[leftstreet]

61. New National Anthem: 'Oh, Cannabis!'

:thumbsup:

[CreekDog]

101. with Northern California I hope

:think:

[leftstreet]

106. Of course, of course

All ur redwoods are belong to us

:D

[SharonRB]

3. Check this out

at www.michiganliberal.com. Some professor in Russia predicts the map will look like this. I think I'll stay right where I am in Michigan -- we'll have water, and how bad can it be to be part of Canada? Eh? The best part of this map is that Alaska, and Sarah Palin, will go back to Russia. Good riddance!

[bunnies]

8. WV, KY & TN will never be part of New England group.

Us east coast elitists have to draw the line somewhere!

[ecstatic]

57. I agree. VA and NC at most... nt

[Mudoria]

109. No way would NC or VA want to join up with

the New England states. No way that would happen :puke:

[Orangepeel]

72. Hah! According to the Russian Professor, they'll have a choice of being led by Europe or Mexico

What a dilemma for them!

:rofl:

[bunnies]

80. heheh. I vote for Mexico.

That would make my Mom a Mexican. She lives in TN and thinks I'm headed to hell anyway. :rofl:

[Rockholm]

77. We don't want SC either.

I'm from SC and do not want them associated with Atlantica.

[bunnies]

81. lmao. Good point.

I lived in NC for a 'spell'... and thats about as south as I can sanely go. :hi:

[LiberalFighter]

78. Kentucky used to be part of Virginia

[bunnies]

84. and all land used to be connected.

just sayin.

[yardwork]

83. Nor will those states join the European Union in my lifetime! LOL!

[lostnotforgotten]

9. See Previous Related Thread Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x411848

[Captain Hilts]

11. Amtrak's Tension Corridor wants NOTHING to do with South Carolina, KY, or TN. . nt

[blue_onyx]

12. I saw that yesterday and found it interesting

I'll stay in Michigan too. Not only will we have water but we'll be apart of Canada and have health care.

[SharonRB]

20. Exactly!

I'll stay put, happily. Our economy has nowhere to go but up!

[onenote]

13. apparently you don't have to be very intelligent to be a russian professor

cause the guy who dreamt this up is more stupid than dirt.

[SharonRB]

22. I agree

I posted it because I thought it was on topic to the OP, not because I agreed with it. :)

[K Gardner]

15. I don't think the EU will accept Tennessee, lol.. just a hunch.

[rockymountaindem]

16. That just goes to show what a crackpot this person is

Colorado and Kansas under Canadian influence? Texas and Florida becoming part of Mexico? The entire "part of Mexico" portion probably has a much higher GDP than Mexico does. The way things are going in Mexico right now, with their complete inability to exert any semblance of control over drug cartels, I don't think they'd be willing or able to expand into new territory nor would anybody in their right mind jump on *that* ship at the moment.

And if this dude thinks that S.C., Kentucky and Tennessee and W.V. are going to join the EU, I've got some swampland in New Mexico to sell him. This dude hasn't got a clue, but I bet he gets a lot of props from Zhirinovsky for declaring that Alaska will be back in the Russian fold soon. What a joke.

[JackRiddler]

51. Nah, just a science fiction writer who doesn't actually know the US.

[cali]

18. That map proves the russian prof is talking out of his ass

SC in a union with New England? As part of the EU? Bwahahaha.

[leftofthedial]

19. crazy boundaries.

I think the Russian dude is on crack.

[Tikki]

23. Way Out West...we need New Mexico...

The Texas Republic can have Utah...

Maybe, just maybe...

Not to cause a controversy or anything...but the Way Out Western States contribute
an massive amount to the rest of the Country and I'm not sure we get, in return, anywhere
what we give.


Tikki

[CreekDog]

102. here are the states that pay the most but get the least in return

For each dollar paid in taxes to the Federal Government, this is the amount returned:

1. New Jersey ($0.62)
2. Connecticut ($0.64)
3. New Hampshire ($0.68)
4. Nevada ($0.73)
5. Illinois ($0.77)
6. Minnesota ($0.77)
7. Colorado ($0.79)
8. Massachusetts ($0.79)
9. California ($0.81)
10. New York ($0.81)

[GreenPartyVoter]

27. I see the west coast 3, The Rocky mountain states, the midwest states, the

southwest states, the southern states, and the northeast. Pretty much the way we see those areas now.

So smaller groupings than what the professor thought up.


As a Mainah I could go with the Northeast states or Canada. LOL

[gcomeau]

32. Ridiculous prediction.

Accepting the premise that there is a break-up... the division of states and the affiliations listed are absurd! I can see Minnesota or Wisconsin going Canadian... but Kansas/Missourri and not Washington/Oregon? Get real. And if he think Russia would grab Alaska before the Canadians would he's out of his mind. The Alaskans and Canadians share language, culture, and the same freaking continent. How does he think Alaska ends up under Russian influence or control beyond wishful thinking?

I can see Hawaii going Japanese, but the NE coast going EU all the way down to Kentucky and Tennessee? Pull the other one.

[leftofthedial]

39. he's a nutcase

and not too bright.

[roamer65]

96. LOL...sounds like he watched re-runs of the old ABC mini-series "Amerika".

I surprised he left out the "Putin-Lincoln" brigades.:crazy:

[BuelahWitch]

105. Kansas and Missouri will end up in Dumbfuckistan for sure

I don't want to live in Dumbfuckistan! :cry:

[Warpy]

42. That Russian is an ignorant and provincial man

who only looked at terrain and population, ignoring the huge cultural differences between various regions.

[Vanje]

43. Russian Professor is WRONG!

There is no way that Idaho and Utah would willingly go the same place as Oregon and California.
Idaho and Utah go with Wyoming and Montana.
Arizona goes with New Mex. and Texas.
Nevada forms its own little nation ( like Monaco)

[Iggo]

52. Not a chance in hell texas is joining Mexico.

I think that Russian prof is just drawing convenient lines on a map.

[SoCalDem]

58. a more likely map, would be

[citizen snips]

63. LOL Flordia well be mexian controlled

[Terran]

71. Not nearly that simple

I live in Missouri, and I can assure you it will not stay put as one state because culturally it's already about 5 states.

And far northern California wants nothing to do with southern California (which they define as San Francisco and south). I'm sure it's sim ilar in many states.

[NeedleCast]

75. Russia Does Have a Lot of Experience with Shit Falling Apart...

I take this seriously in the same way I take Stephen Colbert seriously.

[Marr]

100. Talk about loony.

Autonomy never occurred to that professor, apparently. He has each new country just joining whatever sphere of influence is geographically closest, excluding the other US nations, for some reason.

I think that, if such a breakup were to occur, these new countries would be closely allied to one another. They'd form a kind of North American Union right off the bat, similar to the European Union. It might not even be official, but it'd be in everyone's economic interests to maintain close ties.

His state groupings make no sense at all, either. Utah being grouped with California? Uh-huh.

[mod mom]

116. I see MN, WI, IA, MI, IL, IN, OH as eastern while KY, WV TN and SC as southern.

[el_bryanto]

4. I'm not sure it will

I would think New England down to New York, and California/Washington/Oregan maybe would make nations.

Bryant

[Captain Hilts]

5. Mookiestan will be the Northeast starting about halfwayup NJ as far North as RI. nt

[leftofthedial]

21. And the capital will be Reallyreallybad?

[Captain Hilts]

26. No, the District of Eleanor. nt

[leftofthedial]

29. You'll still have the Mets!

[Captain Hilts]

59. I know. Life ain't fair!!!

[Steepler0t]

6. I always liked

Dumbfuckistan for the repug part.

[tularetom]

10. Right fuckin here where I'm at now

I'm too old and wore out to move.

Especially to a foreign country.

[gcomeau]

17. Not quite the same as the question... but it's fun anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Nations_of_North_America





Ecotopia for me.

[leftofthedial]

24. Empty Quarter sounds sort of foreboding...

[Ichingcarpenter]

28. Sounds like Planet of the Apes

The forbidden Zone

[AspenRose]

33. Colorado should be part of Mexamerica, IMHO

At least the southern and western part of the state, to Denver. The eastern Colorado plains should be Breadbasket.

[Tashca]

104. Best map I've seen

I definitely could go for being in the nation of breadbasket. I think Illinois is divided fairly close to how I would do it.....definitely keep Chicago out.
I would take the northern boundary up to the Hudson bay though. As the frost line continues to move north and thus the best crop growing conditions.....this would work for the long term. When the ice cap finally gave way year around we would have quick access to world markets through the northern pole.
I don't have a problem with KC being the capital but think Minneapolis would make more sense.

[ConcernedCanuk]

108. "Ecotopia" - the book(s)

.
.
.

ECOTOPIA

Ecotopia
By Ernest Callenbach

written in 1975, so over 30 years ago

ANOTHER book available is Ecotopia Emerging written in 1981.

Now that I have read both previews - QUITE interesting by the way, I'm going to order the two books through our inter-library lending system, so if the books exist in Ontario's library system, I'll get them free of charge.

AND

I'll read the second book(Ecotopia Emerging) first, as it is actually a prequel to the the original Ecotopia book.

Amazing ideas I've read already, so the whole books will really be a treat!

[Sebastian Doyle]

25. The Republic of Cascadia

http://zapatopi.net/cascadia/

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. Oh, that it could happen.

:hi:

[leftofthedial]

31. Lots of damned hippies...

[Thothmes]

97. I could go for that. Always thought

Wash & Ore had more in common with BC than with California.

[earth mom]

111. That's where I want to live!

:applause:

[Pab Sungenis]

35. This guy's been watching "Jericho" reruns.

[gratuitous]

36. The Benevolent Dictatorship of Gratuitoustan

Dress casual.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

37. In the Independent Nation of the Ozarks

or perhaps with the Cherokee or Choctaw Nations, which could include that area. They would have ties to the Lakotah Nation and probably with Canada, which would be fine with me.

[southernyankeebelle]

38. Lets pray nothing happens, but

I will move from TN to Maryland. That is where the mason dixie line is. I think alot of the south think Maryland is more north than south. But lets pray nothing will happen. This country is one no matter what.

[polly7]

40. Well, as long as we're being kinda silly here,

North Dakota is below me and I do not want to annex that state - waaaaaaaaaay too many nukes. Could you please remove them before we start any deals? :7

[gratuitous]

44. Silly?

Better stay out of the Benevolent Dictatorship of Gratuitoustan, where everything will be as serious as a screen door on a bull!

[Warpy]

41. Dunno, but I hope NM rejoins Mexico

because there's no way we'd ever want to be absorbed by Texas.

[Cleita]

45. We don't have to break up America. What we have to do is get the

neo-cons who have corrupted our country with treason and war crimes in prison and throw the key away. Then we can impeach or vote out of office all those Democrats who enabled them. There will be no further problems. We can then run this country as intended in our Constitution.

[Blue_In_AK]

46. The People's Republic of Alaska, of course,

minus Governor Grifter and her family, if possible.

[JackRiddler]

47. Not something I'm worrying about too much.

I suspect our worry will be more about an over-centralized police-state tyranny with the state and city enforcers fully integrated into a federal government overtly run out of the Pentagon.

[BR_Parkway]

48. Down here in the South, we'll be called Dumbfuckistan or Jesusland

not sure which - but either way, we'll be leaving the theocracy.

Don't know how they'll survive without the money from northern states.

[Pavulon]

53. Does that mean NJ will stay in NJ? Go to the shore...

The OB used to be nice. Then someone told NJ about it. Now it is over run with idiots. I believe the same people who live at the NJ "shore" hate these people too. Now we are stuck with them.

Seems like you guys move down here by the droves, and then bitch about how it is not like NJ. Thats the point.

If we wanted endless strip malls we would build them.

Open space and trees are nice.

[bigtree]

50. 'real America'

San Francisco, my favorite place in the whole world

[JackRiddler]

54. Here's Frank Miller's version from the comic "Give Me Liberty"

http://www.drawger.com/show.php?show_id=27&image_id=824

(You'll have to follow the link.)

The big piece including Northeast and Midwest is still the United States of America. The circle is a nuclear no-go zone. Texas is of course an independent republic. Bits belong to Mexico. I think the southwest piece is under the rule of an all-powerful burger chain that requires its citizens to eat meat. Etc. Sadly I couldn't find a graphic with the names.

This is a lot more realistic than the Russian guy's idea!

[rucky]

107. Here ya go...

http://flagspot.net/flags/fic_gml.html#fsc

[JackRiddler]

110. Hey that's great - forgot a lot about the series...

The South is now the First Sex Confederacy, a feminist dictatorship. You gotta love that. And the rest of those countries are also priceless.

THANKS!

[Z_I_Peevey]

55. Well, Vonnegut foresaw a Duke of Oklahoma

who waged war against the King of Michigan. I'll go with Vonnegut's vision and I volunteer to be the Duchess.

[SoCalDem]

56. I'm hoping for Consolidated Republistan

a lovely state where all the "concerned" right wingers can go :)
and they can all practice their preferred method of governance, WITHOUT "interference" from nearby states with commerce & money.

[TlalocW]

62. The Great Nation of Freedonia

Where we'll elect Rufus T. Firefly as preisdent, have Margaret Dumont bail us out of our financial situation, and we'll spy on the rest of you with Chicolini and Pinky.

TlalocW

[Burma Jones]

85. Upstart!!!!!

[BuelahWitch]

103. "Whatever it is, I'm against it!"

:hi:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

64. I don't know.

Can we make one for self-righteous prats?

[EstimatedProphet]

65. Do you have a reason to think the US is going to break up?

[leftofthedial]

112. Nothing lasts forever.

We are deeply divided--on virtually every issue.

The economic basis of our union has been eroded by out-of-control capitalism to the point that staying together has become increasingly untenable.

[PurityOfEssence]

66. The south can secede as Jesustan

The big question will be whether they ban iced tea.

[TrogL]

67. United States of Canada

[marmar]

69. Michigan can just join Canada....Hell, we're semi-Canadian here anyway.

No border issues, half the change in our pockets is Canadian money already, a common affinity for hockey, "pop" not "soda", and we've already got a heavy dose of the Canadian accent, eh?

AND WE WILL TOTALLY DOMINATE THE GREAT LAKES! No agua for the former United States! (Except for our sister Great Lakes states, who will be welcomed to join Canada as well)

[Romulox]

70. Yes. I want Michigan to become part of Canada. Want out of the union with Alabama, S. Dakota, etc

[Deja Q]

73. Either you forgot to put in a link or you're completely deranged...

:evilgrin:

[leftofthedial]

113. could be both.

[lib2DaBone]

76. Dumbfuckistan and Jesusland...where people line up for hours to see Sarah Palin...

..never underestimate the stupidity of the American public......

[JNelson6563]

79. Michigan, we'll be in prime condition for the water wars.

I imagine there will be a great lake state coalition of sorts.

Julie

[ellisonz]

82. Kingdom of Hawai'i

[Mari333]

86. Michigan will merge into Canada, eh.

yay socialism .

[robertpaulsen]

87. I'll live in the state of Jefferson.

Taking into account the logic behind happyslug's post on the other thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x411848#411976

There is historical precedence for the possibility of such a state:

http://www.jeffersonstate.com/

My assumption is that their primary natural resources would be lumber and marijuana. That's just from my personal experience of living in Jackson County. :hippie:

[Ron Green]

88. Lumber, marijuana and wine.

[robertpaulsen]

92. Yes! And microbrew beer.

What a state! :toast:

[LWolf]

89. Right here on the left coast. The Pacific Northwest.

I suggest that we move all suburbs, strip malls, etc. east of the Rockies, and claim everything from the rockies west for some progressive cities, farm and ranch land, and public land.

[4 t 4]

93. I live in Illinois if I become part of Canada

i'll be happy. I think of the movie "V for Vendetta" The scene when the news is on "the former United States Of America" how perfect. It won't be long now. I doubt if it will be in our life time but I think there is a good chance it will happen especially if the *'s don't all die off and they will never die.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

90. We need some liberal islands in Texas!!

The big cities are already Democratic.
Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, El Paso, Brownsville.

Even Fort Worth, much to my surprise.

[DS1]

91. Springfield and Shelbyville

[Selatius]

94. Google the 9 Nations of North America to get a geographical view of the cultural breakdown.

I live in the cultural region known as "Dixie." If the US falls apart like the Soviet Union or the Roman Empire, I'm getting my ass outta Dixie! I'd probably relocate to Miami; it's the closest.

[roamer65]

95. Michigan and New England will definitely join Canada.

Canada would let these two regions into confederation immediately in order to dilute the influence of Quebec and to prevent Quebec separation from isolating the Atlantic provinces geographically.

Other American states will actually splinter. Ohio will split into northern and southern parts. I think New York would go with New England into Canada, along with Minnesota, Wisconsin and northern Illinois.

Quebec and Alberta will become problematic for Canada in event of a breakup of the USA. Our breakup will fuel separatist sentiments in both of these provinces.

[alcibiades_mystery]

98. They won't be countries...they'll be "Trade Zones"

At that point, you can just give them numbers rather than names: Trade Zone A-6, and the like.

[leftofthedial]

114. how futuristic...

[sarcasmo]

99. Canada.

[leftofthedial]

115. why, in this day of instantaneous global communication,

virtual communities, and the like, is it still necessary for political divisions to be based primarily on geography?