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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:31 PM
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Here's why you can't compare today's economy with the 1930's:
Q: I see disturbing similarities between this crisis and The Great Depression. Both were triggered by the bursting of massive debt bubbles, for instance. But this time, the government is doing so much more to pump up the economy. So is it safe to assume that this crisis will be a lot less severe than the 1930s?

A: No, it's not safe to make that assumption. True, the government's massive intervention is a major factor. But there are also powerful factors that can offset or even overwhelm the government's impact:

* Broader speculative bubbles. In the years prior to the Crash of 1929, the bubbles were limited primarily to stock speculation and restricted to a minority of the population. This time, the speculation has engulfed not only stocks but also millions of homes, commercial properties, local governments, corporations, and entire nations.

* More household debt. U.S. households are in far greater debt today with much less savings. In the 1930s, mortgages were rarer and less onerous. For all practical purposes, second mortgages, home equity loans, creative financing, and credit cards didn't even exist. Today, they are everywhere in our society.

* U.S. is now a debtor nation. In the 1930s, the U.S. had large surpluses of foreign reserves and was a creditor to the rest of the world. Now, it has minimal reserves and huge foreign debts. As a result, there's ultimately a limit to how much Washington can throw good money after bad to save the U.S. economy before foreign investors rebel, refusing to continue providing abundant credit.

* Derivatives. In the early 1930s, derivatives were virtually unknown — a tiny niche of little consequence. Today there are nearly $600 trillion in notional value derivatives globally, according to the Bank of International Settlements. The forced liquidation of many of these derivatives could frustrate government efforts to revive credit markets, driving the global economy into a deeper decline than would normally be expected.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article7996.html

We cannot compare today's economy with the 1930's. We're in much worse shape today.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:42 PM
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1. you said a mouthful. Thanks, Reagan!
you son of a bitch
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:57 PM
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2. I see another major diff. that could make this one worse!
The US had a lot of manufacturing in the 30's. We made our own cars, our own steel were building railroads etc. We don't have that mfg. base to fall back on this time!

The most serious problem today is overuse of credit cards and lines of credit. There was no Master Card or Visa, or home equity loans back then, and few people even had mortgages.

The thought of what could happen over the next 5-10 years scares the hell out of me.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:48 PM
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5. Mainly because there isn't anywhere for the downsized Blue Collar worker to go.
Unless he wants to be a tradesman, or by some insane amount of luck has enough saved to go to college (whether he wants to or not).

I don't know, America . . . are we going to keep trying this stupid method of Reaganomic insanity and hope it works eventually, or are we going to put on the brakes abruptly and start getting some rules and better wages and benefits for your workers in place? 'Cause I gotta tell these corporations . .. it's really not looking all that good for those who think they're still going to use their companies as their own personal mint and recover them at the same time. Time to start developing some humility . . . OR ELSE.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:07 PM
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3. And most importantly
In 1930 there was plenty of cheap oil and enough for export. Today US - like most others - is dependent on imported energy that has reached it's global peak production.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:12 PM
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4. 5th rec and a kick....
....my SO got laid off..today is his last day...he is a pipeline surveyor and we thought these jobs would be solid for a while....but alas...his co. and another HUGE co. laid off hundreds of workers....not a very happy new year 'round here. :rant:

:hi:
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:58 PM
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7. I'm really sorry to hear that.
I hope everything will be OK. :hug:
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 03:54 PM
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8. Thanks man....
....we've got a little saved and they're sayin' there might be more work later next month...we'll see. :hug:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:49 PM
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6. we have no manufacturing base to fall back on.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 04:12 PM
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9. I thought 1930 was the wrong comparison?
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