Will Obama change is mind about the Rick Warren thing....

[ThatsMyBarack]

BEFORE 01/20/2009?

If not, can he still pull off the presidency America deserves? :patriot:

[davidinalameda]

1. he won't

why cave in to us faggots

[marimour]

17. do you actually believe that is how he feels?

[davidinalameda]

26. sure acts like it

[Taverner]

2. The real issue is H8

Fight H8, and you fight Warren

[davidinalameda]

28. and fight the enablers

like Obama and the rest of the people who tell us to shut up and sit down

no one should be giving this bigot any kind of stage

[Taverner]

38. No circular firing squads

Eliminate the policy

And you eliminate the codified prejudice

[davidinalameda]

39. the only people getting shot right now are the gays

Obama is coming out of this smelling like roses, when in fact he should be smelling like the stuff you put on roses

[Taverner]

42. And that needs to stop

I'm just saying divided we fail

[otohara]

3. No and Yes

he's no longer campaigning and won't throw Warren under the bus.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

4. What a question....................

He's made a mistake, as far as I'm concerned. I'm hoping he'll learn from it, but I'm also curious to understand - maybe someday - why he chose Warren. He's a smart politician who's always been at least three steps ahead of everyone, so I'll keep my trust in Obama and see what happens.

The premise of your post - that he might already be some kind of failure - is heartbreaking. He's not even sworn in yet. He's not yet the President, and your question presupposes that you're ready to write him off.

He IS the President we deserve, and while we might not agree with everything he espouses - for instance, I think gay marriage is a fine idea, Obama doesn't - we fought long and hard for this, and one wrong move, a ceremonial one, at that, is hardly enough - in my world - to give up on hm.

He is going to be our President, and, yes, oh, yes, he is, indeed, the President we deserve. It's been a long, horrid eight years.

[ThatsMyBarack]

41. Whoa, Baby!

I called Obama a FAILURE?!?!? I meant nothing of the sort!

That's the problem with posting in GD: Always somebody to twist the OPer's words around and make the OPer look bad! :eyes:

[wundermaus]

5. Hope springs eternal...

but with age the idealism fades...

[redstateblues]

6. Just let it go- I'm so tired of these threads. This Warren thing

in no way means Obama is a secret neo con wing nut George Bush III. I almost dread logging in to DU these days

[marylanddem]

8. "This Warren thing" is a serious matter to millions of people -

and not only gay and lesbian people. It needs to be vented and discussed for as long as people want to, and nobody forces anybody to log onto DU

[davidinalameda]

27. poor baby

I feel so so bad for you

[marylanddem]

7. I share your disillusionment

And I was crazy about Obama, gave money, canvassed - but this Warren decision is absolute bullshit.

[tan guera]

11. IMO, it isn't just the Warren thing

His foreign policy is myopic and dangerous (surging in Afghanistan). That's the next huge thing we should be blogging about all over the net. Ågain, JMO.

[marylanddem]

12. Agreed

[ProSense]

14. "His foreign policy is myopic and dangerous (surging in Afghanistan)."

Obama's foreign policy is the same as when he ran. You objected to it before the election?

[tan guera]

20. Yes, strongly!

[ProSense]

22. Did you vote for him?

Even though you "strongly" believe that his foreign policy is "dangerous"?

[tan guera]

29. I voted for someone

I thought would most likely bring peace - and who wouldn't escalate.

[ProSense]

31. Clever? Was that the person whose foreign policy you thought was "dangerous"? n/t

[whirlygigspin]

25. wow tan guera

10 posts and no profile, but I agree, they seem all too prepared to swallow the trad.foreign policy line...still awaiting the 'change' and 'hope'

so far has been strangely retreading middle of the road weirdness.

[tan guera]

30. Åm I obligated

to do a profile? I don't even know how to edit posts. :-) I'm hoping s/o will start a thread on the *surge* in Afghanistan so we can have a national discussion and get Rachel and Keith in on it.

[jonnyblitz]

33. yup, I agree. nt

[tan guera]

36. What does nt mean?

[The Hope Mobile]

40. nt means no text in the actual message so

when people are just reading the subject lines they don't feel compelled to open your response expecting more and then find out that there isn't anything else.

[kevinbgoode]

18. I agree - it changes my entire perspective on this presidency.

It will be great if some good things happen for the country as a whole, but for the gay community, it is obviously going to be the same old heterosupremacist crap. There aren't many of us who feel so hopeful no, and sending a marching band down Pennsylvania Ave. with "gay and lesbian" on it just seems like an offensive, token pretense of a gesture.

I won't be watching the event at all.

[CTyankee]

9. Why don't we wait and see what he does?

I mean through the levers of government, Justice Dept. especially. If he is really doing the Warren thing to "reach out" what will his actual policy be when it comes to carrying out the law and equal justice.

Now we're disappointed and mad. Let us see what his actions in government will be. I will be watching along with you...

[billyoc]

10. Absolutely not. He knows how many voters he's pandering to by picking Warren

and how many he'll lose.

It's triangulation, red in tooth and claw.

[ProSense]

16. "triangulation"?

Warren giving the invocation has nothing to do with policy so how is it triangulation?

[tan guera]

21. I think of the selection of Warren

as being Obama's kick-off to the 2012 campaign.

[emilyg]

13. No and maybe.

[earth mom]

15. He damn well should, but I think he's thrown gays/progressive dems under the bus.

:grr:

[roody]

19. Maybe Obama wants to lull the rightwing into complacency,

like we were with Clinton.

[and-justice-for-all]

23. He has time to do the right thing...we shall see.nt

[Blue_In_AK]

24. He will not change his mind.

I'm hopeful that he will be a good president, but seriously he must take steps to assure equal rights for all.

[Pastiche423]

32. No, he will not change his mind

No, I don't believe he will pull off the presidency that ALL Americas deserve. W/his rightward appointments and now this blantant fuck you to millions of Americans, he is already losing loyalty and trust from many that once supported him.

The real question should be: Will he make as a good a republicon president as Clinton did?

[LiberalHeart]

34. You mean like Bush revoking the pardon?

[Recursion]

35. No, and he shouldn't.

This is the "reaching out" he talked about. Warren is an awful man in a lot of ways, but better in most ways than Ahmadinajad, and we pretty much all want him to reach out to him.

He's asking for an opponent to pray for him. Maybe I'm a naive sentimental Christian, but I don't think any harm can ever come of having someone else pray for you.

[scarletwoman]

37. Nope. (nt)