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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:25 PM
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"It's Kristallnacht Two!" An Ethnic Cleansing in America

http://counterpunch.com/


Call any Jewish friend across the few days and the degrees of separation from someone financially devastated by Bernie Madoff are often only one or two. One rich Jewish friend in New York volunteers that because of some intricate family dispute his own money hadn’t been parked at Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC. On the other hand his uncle had woken up the morning after Madoff’s arrest to discover that the $40 million he’d entrusted to Bernie was gone forever, along with the multi-million pension fund of his workforce, which he’d also entrusted to Madoff.

It’s not just ruined heiresses in the Palm Beach Country Club now faced with the prospect of dividing the contents of the Whiskas can into two equal portions for mistress and cat, it’s academics on Ivy League campuses, doctors in Santa Monica, rich people from Boston to San Francisco to the West Side of Los Angeles finding their retirement nest eggs or charitable trusts wiped out overnight.

In terms of financial and psychological impact, Bernard Maddow’s $50 billion heist certainly ranks as a major ethnic cleansing here in America, a hugely traumatic event for American Jewry. Of course Madoff had clients of every creed and nation, but he made a specialty of trolling for Jewish money. I asked a Jewish woman I know here in California if any in her circle had taken a hit. She looked at me tremulously, shaking her head, on the edge of tears. Though no one was in immediate earshot, she whispered, “They kept telling me to put my money with Madoff. At that time the entry level was $250,000. I dodged the bullet. Some of my friends didn’t. They’ve lost everything. This is Kristallnacht Two.” Her fear and horror would scarcely have been diminished if she’d heard what a perfectly nice young person had remarked to me earlier, apropos the Madoff affair: “Now the rich people will know what it’s like.”

"‘It’s an atomic bomb in the world of Jewish philanthropy,’ Mark Charendoff, president of the Jewish Funders Network, told Anthony Weiss and Gabrielle Birkner of The Forward newspaper. ‘There’s going to be fallout from this for years to come.’ The collapse of the investment firm of Bernard Madoff has opened a black hole at the center of the tight knit circles of wealthy Jews who socialize and do business together, and who, year after year, support Jewish causes… ”

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It’s a savage body blow to the commercial real estate market in New York. Christine Haughney in Friday’s New York Times quotes Robert J. Ivanhoe, a lawyer who is representing 10 developers and investors who lost $5 million to $50 million each, as saying “The level of devastation, both financial and on a human level, is astounding,” Haughney cites a Manhattan psychotherapist who counsels real estate leaders and bankers as saying “most of the patients he has seen this week have close friends and relatives who lost money with Mr. Madoff. The victims include executives at the global commercial brokerage CB Richard Ellis, most prominently Stephen Siegel, a major Bronx landlord who is chairman of worldwide operations at the brokerage.”
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and the beat goes on
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:42 PM
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1. A little extreme, don't you think?
I don't see how bilking a bunch of millionaires within his own community constitutes a pogrom. If you want to see a real example of ethnic cleansing in America, check out this article in the Nation:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090105/thompson?rel=hp_picks
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:48 PM
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3. the thread isn't about other cleansings


the writer thinks of it as a cleansing and writes from that viewpoint.

the people who lost everything have their own point of view which I'm sure we will learn about sooner or later.
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 01:19 PM
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10. Honestly this thread misses the point. Investment fraud is not bodily harm.
Edited on Sat Dec-20-08 01:21 PM by lynnertic
on edit, I cleaned up my act.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:50 PM
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4. It's counterpuke. Expect the extreme. nt
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11cents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:15 PM
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14. Expect extreme antisemitism.
And expect some DUers to be blind to it.

The underlying message of this article is: Jews love their money so much that they think losing it is the same as a pogrom. I have no doubt that the writer made up that (unidentified, of course) "Jewish woman" looked at him "tremulously" and called the Madoff scam Kristallnacht II. Made her and that quote up, just like Drudge makes up quotes from unnamed "Democratic souces."

Loathesome publication. In the mid-90s Cockburn was writing articles celebrating the militia movement. I suppose he thought it would take care of the Jews and cause chaos in the country he hates, while he could jet back to his ancestral estate in the British Isles if things got too hot.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:15 PM
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17. ding, ding, ding.
counterpunch is just the most disgusting rag. and this article is just what you say it is.
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meowomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:47 PM
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2. Oh No!
Rich people have to sell one of their cars? Oh my!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:52 PM
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5. Hysteria...
... of the highest order.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 01:07 PM
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6. *Chuckle*
So the high rollers aren't immune to the ponzi, it seems. I wonder if they'll ask for a bailout.
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Hanse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 01:10 PM
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7. I didn't know which scandal this phony outrage was directed at when I clicked.
Kinda glad I did.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 01:15 PM
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9. what outrage?
nt
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 01:14 PM
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8. Counterpunch seems like an awfully slanted source.

The carnage will go on for years. As Dean Rotbart points out in The Jewish Journal:

“A phalanx of plaintiffs attorneys are trolling this very moment for clients who are certain to mount a legal assault on charities, universities and other non-profits in a bid to force them to disgorge past donations whose origins can be linked back to the Madoff scheme.

“At the very least, large numbers of individuals and institutions who today consider themselves to be victims of the Madoff scandal should brace for forthcoming legal actions that will allege their remaining wealth is not theirs at all – rather, it is the recoverable property of other claimants who were bilked by Madoff.

To keep their libraries, laboratories, scholarship programs, hospital services, meal programs and the like, universities and other non-profits who continue to operate in the wake of the Madoff scandal will also almost certainly have to retain law firms to combat efforts to strip those non-profits of past Madoff-related donations – whether directly from Madoff or indirectly from Madoff investors.”


Maybe not. Since a lot of Madoff-derived money went to Israel, I think perhaps we will soon see Congress rush through legislation to limit the liability of Madoff recipient non-profits, with President Obama, whose campagn contributions surely included Madoff money too, only to happy to sign on the dotted line.


The author lost all credibility when he showed his bias via the emboldened phrases.

Tsk, tsk, ALEXANDER COCKBURN, you're quite the cynic, and that's quite a prejudice you're spouting.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 01:23 PM
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11. I don't see that as bias, I see it as realism..
Of course, YMMV.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 08:00 PM
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20. It's the Art Bell of progressive publications
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 01:25 PM
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12. Oh brother....
:eyes:
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 01:27 PM
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13. Cockburn Needs Slapping Twice, Ma'am
Edited on Sat Dec-20-08 01:27 PM by The Magistrate
He cannot be slapped silly; he has much to great a head-start for that....
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:17 PM
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18. Counterpunch is a truly repulsive rag
no better than worldnut daily. Why it's allowed to be linked to is a mystery to me.
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Orangeone Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:07 PM
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15. You shouldn't trust someone
Edited on Sat Dec-20-08 03:08 PM by Orangeone
Just because the other person happens to be the same race, religion or ethnicity...!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:10 PM
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16. Comparing this to christalnacht is just nuts
now to teapot dome, there is a comparison to be made

Fer chistskes, NOBODY died here

And yes, as a daughter of a holocaust survivor I'd like to get that Jewish woman and slap her back into reality
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 07:54 PM
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19. ROFLMAO
forgive me if I'm not exactly feeling the pain of millionaires who will have to live a bit more frugally in their retirement.
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