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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 11:57 PM
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Nobody here should be siding with Obama on this one
Short and sweet: Yes, he is the the president elect, and yes he is a Democrat.

He has officially made his first mistake.

The last 8 years has had a Christian fundamentalist bigot in charge. I am sick of these people being given credibility that they simply don't have. There shouldn't be any discussion, debate, or disagreement on this issue on this website. I remember it being made official policy a few years (?) ago, so how about some enforcement?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 11:58 PM
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1. but some are.
and they apparently have the support of those who control the DU clicker.
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Hanse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 11:58 PM
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2. There isn't any disagreement that Warren is a homophobic bigot.
And a disgusting human being.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 11:59 PM
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3. I completely agree
Great post.
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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:19 AM
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12. ditto! n/t
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 11:12 AM
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31. So do I.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:00 AM
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4. You're right. Why is Obama honoring this pig of a man?
I expect this from George Bush, not an Obama.

If I'd known this, I'd have taken very different actions during the campaign period and at the polls.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:46 AM
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17. I focused more on local races than on the presidential campaign
And I am glad I did that. Even before Obama was nominated, I decided to put most of my energy into local elections for 2008. I felt like I could make more of of a difference on a local level. It wasn't that I didn't want to support a Democratic presidential ticket, I just decided to give more of my own time to other races. It seems like a wise decision in hindsight, even though I did lose a couple of those elections. LOL
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 01:01 AM
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24. Sounds wise! nt
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:54 AM
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20. Apperently you were not paying atention during the primary. Donnie McClurkin was a big deal for
a lot of DUers.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 01:01 AM
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23. I really wasn't paying close attention - that's why this thing Obama is doing has shocked me nt
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:01 AM
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5. I Remember So Clearly The Civil Rights Movement And Fighting For Human Rights
For Obama to do this is a slap in the face to all those that fought so hard to eradicate cancers like Warren from society.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:04 AM
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6. Its kind of contradictory because it is against policy to be against Democrats too.
How can you be against a DUer for doing the expected thing and supporting our Democratic President?

Once we change the title of this site to GLBTs Underground, then what you suggest would make sense. Other than that, it would seem to be more of a mandate to support our President.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:32 AM
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13. No
We are allowed to criticize Democrats when they make mistakes or reveal themselves to be DINOs.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:50 AM
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18. Haven't people been tombstoned for criticizing Democrats?
I bet there are more people who have been kaboshed for criticizing Democrats than being unsupportive of gay rights.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:51 AM
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19. If you think they have, link to them.
People have been TSed for siding with opponents against Democrats in an election.

Not for criticizing Democrats.

As I'm sure you know.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 01:05 AM
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26. Ha!
I was part of the 2004 Dean group that went underground because we were being TS'd left and right. I never did because I kept it semi-toned down back then, but believe me, you can definitely be TS'd for criticizing Democrats. Every time I posted criticism of another candidate I was sure it was my last post. And that was pre-nominee too.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 01:07 AM
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27. You're not a reliable source. NT
Edited on Sat Dec-20-08 01:07 AM by mondo joe
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:44 AM
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15. You're wrong, again.
Criticism is not forbidden at all.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:56 AM
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21. You're kidding right?
Aren't most people who get their pizza in the process of criticizing something at the time?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 01:02 AM
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25. Refer to the rules.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:04 AM
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7. I voted for him,, and I'll cut him plenty of slack until his first Hundred Days have passed.
Day One will commence on January 20th of next year, 32 days hence. I can hardly wait!

pnorman
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:05 AM
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8. this is the first thing i can't support him on
there were things i disagreed with him on before but i was still supportive of his decision.

it's different here.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:12 AM
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10. Me, too.
His first fuckup is a big one, as far as I'm concerned, but, ultimately, it's a matter of window-dressing. Warren isn't a policy or a law or anything that will affect our daily lives.

That said, this decision marked the absolute end of my post-election euphoria. It was awfully nice while it lasted.

I hope the hell Obama doesn't do anything like this again. I will die if he turns out to be less than I think he is, if he turns out to be just another pandering suck-up of a politician.

Gotta have hope, but if he craps out on me, I'm quitting. No more politics for me.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:10 AM
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9. sure they can side with him
and it's not a mistake, it's Obama doing his thing.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:15 AM
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11. I've been puzzled and bewildered
rather than siding with him.

It seems so off the wall to me from his usual choices. That's what threw me.

For that reason, I've mostly been trying to find a way to salvage some benefit from it. There may be; there may not be.

I'm very analytical and will work through logic first when I am faced with a problem. It could be that later, you'll read a pissed off rant from me about this. But I need to cogitate a while.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:41 AM
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14. I agree with the OP in so
far as this is a huge mistake on Obama's part. But, people have to be able to say what they think.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:45 AM
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16. he could be killing puppies on a youtube video and there
Edited on Sat Dec-20-08 12:46 AM by jonnyblitz
would be many here sticking up for it and screeching at those of us who criticized it. :crazy:
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:58 AM
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22. Boy, I can't wait until he actually flubs some POLICY
That'll be fun days
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 01:07 AM
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28. yeah
those discussions will be the fun ones to follow. Not the ones now about who is giving the prayer at the inauguration.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 01:07 AM
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29. Yep
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 11:09 AM
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30. I'm cutting Obama as much slack as he thinks he needs, until his first Hundred Days have passed.
Day One will commence on January 20th of next year. If that's "siding with him", then so be it!

pnorman
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Brooklyns_Finest Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 11:33 AM
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32. The Admin has spoken
He, like many others here believe that a reasonable person can supportive of Obama's decision and not be anit-gay.
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