Doesn't anyone not see what the hell is going on here!?

[Lint Head]

How can we fall for this bull? It's obvious that Cheney is admitting he authorized torture and basically said he has committed war crimes. He wants to be indicted. It's frigging obvious. That sets up a built in pardon. Cheney is also dying from heart disease so what does he care. He takes the fall and the United States gets screwed. Bush is as deep in the crap as Cheney but he doesn't have the health issues Cheney does. He doesn't have to admit anything.

I am a born American citizen. I refuse to be fooled by this garbage. I no longer recognize these criminals as President or Vice President of my country. Our forefathers and current American soldiers did not and do not die for this.

This is despicable. What as American citizens can we do?

:dem:

[DS1]

1. I don't see a 5 time draft dodger as one to throw himself on a grenage

Instead I see a criminal who thinks he's smarter than the cops, and eventually gives enough tips for the dummies to catch up to him.

[Lint Head]

2. He knows Bush will pardon him.

The fix is in and we are sitting on our hands and letting it happen.
:dem:

[malaise]

33. Bush cannot pardon himself

without admitting to a crime. Calling the judges in The Hague.

[conscious evolution]

38. and bush pardoning himself

and cheney would automaticly give the ICC jurisdiction.

[malaise]

47. Absolutely correct n/t

[cascadiance]

43. Bush needs to pardon Cheney quickly NOW... and then...

later after he's pardoned Cheney, he resigns and Cheney takes over and pardons Bush. That's the way it could work... Probably why they need to set up Cheney now, so there's no question of whether "preemptive" pardons are valid or not. If there's a valid crime he's pardoned for, then he can take over and pardon everyone else at the end!

[kayakjohnny]

3. Beyond throwing a shoe, not much. But I do think we can have faith that some people

are behind the scenes and working on all of this. I think the pendulum swings strong and true. Both ways. It has only just begun to come back our way. I'm for growing old while the sluggish-ass process grunts it's way through the years. As long as there is a pot of gold at the end of the rain type bow.

[Lint Head]

4. Right now the pot of gold is bankrupt.

:dem:

[kayakjohnny]

6. True. But the pendulum does swing true.

[dixiegrrrrl]

37. Pendulum-karma- call it what you will.

What goes around comes around.
It will happen.
It's not nice to mess with Mother Nature.

[spanone]

5. i've never considered either one of them 'my leader'...i have no respect whatsoever

[Lint Head]

8. I think it is a brave thing to speak the truth in this day and time.

As long as these criminals are in office we could be visited by Bush's Blackwater Nazis.
:dem:


Blackwater Scans the Neighborhood
I don't want them in my neighborhood.

[BrklynLiberal]

42. Ditto. As far as I am concerned the elected Presidents for the past

8 years were Gore and Kerry.

prez shit-for-brains never was, and never will my president.

[DonEBrook]

7. The hallways of history are filled with the rotten corpses of decent people and statues of

true evil. If it's justice you want, look elsewhere...it won't be found in these environs.

[Lint Head]

10. Screw the hallways of history. Rotting corpses are what these

criminals are all about. Backed up by what pedophile Rush Limbaugh and felon George Gordon Liddy spews.
:dem:

[shadowknows69]

9. I say about 20,000 of us do a citizens arrest of both of them on Jan. 21

That should be enough to overwhelm their SS details and carry the bastards to the Hague.

[Lint Head]

11. I'll be there if it happens.Just pray the authorities back us up.

There have to be FBI agents and Secret Service that care about this country enough to save it from these criminals.
:dem:

[shadowknows69]

15. I'll bet money, dedicated as they may be to their jobs. that the SS might just hand them over

And figure they're not worth it anymore. Hell, they didn't even jump in front of a shoe for Bush.

[pleah]

12. If anyone in the House, Senate or whatever had the balls to do the right thing,

Bushit & co. would be arrested NOW before there is a pardon put in place. But, it doesn't look like anybody has the balls or the will to do the right thing. Or, maybe the dems are just as guilty as the thugs. Either way, if they let bushit pardon everyone for their crimes, this country will never be the same. I believe the people will need to do the arrest of bushit & co., if we really want it to happen. Because if we, the people, let them get away with this war crime (not to mention all the other crimes) we will deserve everything we get.

[earth mom]

13. The people could and should demand impeachment themselves.

Do it yourself Impeachment:

http://impeachforpeace.org/ImpeachNow.html

[Lint Head]

14. I've done this and so far it has resulted in no action at all.

I appreciate your comment. But, to continue to do the same thing and expect a different result just isn't working.
We need some kind of citizen action that causes people to put one foot in front of the other.
:dem:

[shadowknows69]

16. When the inevitable food riots start

Might be a good jumping on point.

[Lint Head]

19. My wife's sister was just laid off along with a number of people

where she works. Food riots are a possibility. If people can't afford food and goods to live because they can't work it won't take long for folks to get really pissed.
:dem:

[earth mom]

23. I agree with you both. The DIY Impeachment movement hasn't gained a foothold because the media

has totally ignored it. Plus things weren't bad enough a few years ago for the number of people needed to get it really going.

But let the job situation and economy get any worse and the people will be in the streets and heads will roll.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

17. Uh oh. Doesn't anyone not see...

I never know what the right answer is to these questions. ;(

[kayakjohnny]

18. You are funny. Good one!

[Lint Head]

21. There is an answer. People need to get off their asses

and do what is necessary. The 'answer' will not be found on this or any other discussion board. But, the subjects discussed can make thinking people turn their thoughts into action. It's OK to do nothing. People have the right in this country to lay around and do nothing while they are being screwed and robbed. We have the right to be ignorant.
I refuse to allow this to happen and do or say nothing.
:dem:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

24. Well, in that case...

I guess I do not not see what is happening. And yeah, it isn't something to not behold!

[BeFree]

20. Well, you see, it's like this....

.....they are like gawds. Whatever they do is always right. They can do no wrong.

The rest of us are just peons. We are just servants. We pay their way and we do it under duress.

You don't get to be a bigshot without doing something that pisses off all manner of us peons.
Yes, you have the right to be pissed, but don't expect anything to change.
Now, if all us peons really wanted to we could change things, but not enough of us really want change.

[Lint Head]

22. I think there are enough people willing to do something. There are too

many politicians willing to play nice and diplomatic in the face of war crimes committed by one of there own.
Wearing pink and being noticed sometimes is just not enough. Code Pink is great when they speak out and demonstrate but a new strategy is needed. I wish I was intelligent enough to think of something own my own but I guess I'm just not that creative.
:dem:

[BeFree]

29. Ahh, it's simple

Nothing ever changes until a mass of folks decide to change things.
Problem is that rarely ever does a mass of people decide that something needs to change.
The American revolution was one. The civil war was another. In fact, it seems war is one of the few things that masses of people decide to change things. Which doesn't bode well for us, eh?

The only advice I can give you is that which helps you change your life, if that's what you want.

[deaniac21]

25. We learn how to write!

[Lint Head]

26. Writing is not working. I have written every Congressman possible.

We need movement. We need action. I guess once we all lose our homes and money we will walk to Washington and knock on the door asking what the hell happened.
:dem:

[deaniac21]

34. I mean't learn how to write. as in, using correct grammar and

English.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. First step you petition your government

second step, you protest.

I am not counting on first step being taken in sufficient numbers, let alone step two

The Murican people are sleep walking through history and it will take a FOREIGN court to do what we should be doing right now

He admitted it, he should be prosecuted, Trick is, he needs to be impeached first...

[Rabrrrrrr]

28. We should watch the fortunes of the Cheney family, and see if there's a huge sudden increase

perhaps right after his death or at some point.

As another poster said, I can't see a draft dodger throwing himself on a grenade. However, I *can* see an evil sack of inhuman garbage who's going to die soon from health issues anyway throw himself on a grenade for, say, $500 million to his family.

[Lint Head]

32. Excellent idea. Follow the money. Expose the liar.

The truth will set you free.

[annabanana]

30. (what? no recs on this thread?). . n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. kick

[dysfunctional press]

35. he doesn't want to be indicted- he wants to laugh at all of us who know that he should be...

a final "fuck you" from his excellency.

[ColbertWatcher]

36. A TV interview is not a deposition. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. In the legal sense it is called a voluntary statement

and admissible in court

That chenney or his lawyers know... which tells you the chutzpah of these criminals.

[ColbertWatcher]

45. I'm not a lawyer, so I didn't know this...interesting. n/t

[PeaceNikki]

40. How can you not be not annoyed by the subject of this thread?

It's baffling.

[MadMaddie]

41. Let him get indicted and pardoned by another war criminal

The Hague will prosecute them both, during WWII when the Japanese soldiars were found guilty of waterboarding they were convicted and hung.

And please, please Cheney, *, Rove, Condi, Rummy all of you please continue to go on the TV machine and record your confessions of your war crimes because they will be used against you in the court trials at the Hague....that's all.

[Beam Me Up]

44. They got away with 9/11 -- why can't they get away with everything else?

They should have all been hung for treason by now -- but NOOoooo. Everyone has to pretend 9/11 was a terrorist attack, that the one time the Bush administration told the truth -- the ONE AND ONLY TIME -- was in regards to what happened on 9/11.

I have no sympathy for people who are crying foul about all this now. The evidence is there for any who wants to see and has been there for YEARS. But that is just it. No one WANTS to see -- so NOTHING is going to happen. Not one damn thing. They succeeded in what they set out to do: Create the conditions for the total destruction of our Republic.

I'm so disgusted I could :puke:

[judasdisney]

46. What can we do? (a) Storm the Bastille, or

(b) pack your bags and expatriate to a real democracy, like Venezuela or Bolivia

(c) head for the mountains, the mountains of Busch

[Hubert Flottz]

48. Bush can't pardon Cheney if he's not charged until after Bush ...

is just another Joe Sixpack again.