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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:26 PM Original message |
We are the new "centrists". |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. "Centrism" is a code word for Center/Right corporatism. I wouldn't wear that label if you paid me. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. And what is "left-wing" a code word for?? |
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AmyCamus (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Liberal. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. "Someone who puts people before profits" nt |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I think that aptly defines our new President? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. No, our new President is a "centrist". nt |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. If we want to play word games, fine. But let's look at the proposals and what they actually do and |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Change does not and will not happen overnight... |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Good points |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. NICE |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. "We have become more pragmatic because of political realities." |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. Speaking as Centrist, I agree |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. And even gay-rights is becoming more of a centrist idea... |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. Exactly! As the majority gets better information, their positions evolve. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Except that "Centrist" Politicians oppose UHC and withdrawal from Iraq...nt |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. That are not centrists. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Barack Obama opposes UHC, for example--campaigned against it. |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. That was a case of definitions, IIRC |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Yes, in the sense that words have meanings, I guess you're right. |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Single-payer and UHC are not guaranteed synonymous |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Are you talking about Universal Health Care?? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Yup. nt |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. Right-Wingers can call themselves Centrists, but |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Obama campaigned against Universal Healthcare--called it "wrong" and "extreme". nt |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Definition of UHC is key here. nt |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. He campaigned AGAINST single payer. nt |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Which is not the only way to UHC |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Forced purchases of private insurance is NOT "Universal Healthcare". nt |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
5. I so much agree with you. |
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AmyCamus (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
6. Speak for yourself. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. I only speak for myself... |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
14. Labels is what puts things in a quagmire - |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
18. Our goal is to make our ideas mainstream |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. liberal is the new centrist. |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. If we take the old adage of "Left is right" |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
20. It is a continuation of us and them. Centrists against the far out wacko Left and Right |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. If that is the way you wish to look at it? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
37. It's been like this for recorded history. The left is correct and has to drag |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
36. I will never be a centrist |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I'd say it differently |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
40. centrism is one set of means to an end |
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