The birth certificate crap is just racist xenophobic bullshit.

[cali]

It's all about Obama not being a white guy who grew up in squaresville, USA. And that's why it will, never, ever die.

It makes me sick. Just about every 4th post over in freeperville is an iteration of this ugly hate in the shabby dress of faux patriotism and caring about the Constitution. WorldNut fuckhead is obsessed with their scum sucking hate of Obama. Wingnut site after wingnut site, piles on this like flies on shit.

I detest these loathsome fuckwads, but what can you do? Derision is probably the best way to approach it.

I hope the birth cert asshole choke on an Obama presidency. I hope it raises their blood pressure, gives them ulcers and apoplectic fits.

On Friday, the SCOTUS will not grant cert. That won't stop the shitstains from spewing their racist hate for the next four years.

[slackmaster]

1. No shit, Sherlock

:nuke:

[greguganus]

31. ...

:spank:

[mondo joe]

2. They were going to go for something, anyway. I think a lot of people have forgotten

how the Right Wing tried to glom everything and anything on the Clintons, from day 1.

It's their MO. If it weren't this it would be something else.

[cali]

3. true. they tried the "on the down low coke fiend" crap first.

[The Backlash Cometh]

21. Jeb Bush is already calling for a shadow government.

As if they don't already have one in Florida.

[autorank]

28. Delusional Jeb

Can you direct me to that info. What a goof ball he is.

He was right when asked if he had presidential ambitions and he responded: "I'm finished."

Yep, he is and he should stay down. His time is past as are all things Bush. We're just starting
to scratch the surface on their crimes. The truth will bury these narcissists even further.

[The Backlash Cometh]

33. Link.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Jeb_Bush_considers_Senate_run_1202.html

[autorank]

44. Thanks!

"Whomever" will wip the floor with him. Maybe he should consider a name change;)

[EFerrari]

29. Yep. And since the Clintons, they've had years of untrammeled practice.

[Captain Hilts]

4. Yes. And I don't think you should have to actually be born here to be prez.

A residency requirement is fine, but not being born here.

[MiniMe]

30. I disagree. I think being born here is a good rule

And residency isn't enough at all. Citizenship is the bare minimum. Being born her is what the Constitution says, and that's the way it should stay.

[Captain Hilts]

32. Obviously you have to be a citizen. But my father was trusted with nuclear weapons, but not to be..

president. Where's the logic in that?

[LSK]

39. Irrelevant because he WAS born in Hawaii

[Captain Hilts]

41. Right. This is total bullshit. nt

[MineralMan]

5. Of course, you're correct.

The wingers will just keep harping on this and marginalize themselves even further. Dumbasses!

[LynneSin]

6. Remember 8 years ago we were in the same position trying to stop the same exact thing but.....

We actually had a very very legitimate reason for it. The recount was never completed in Florida and the Supreme Court made a decision that they shouldn't have been involved with and was split straight across party lines.

To this day, I truly believe that if all the votes were counted Al Gore would have won Florida EVEN without all those confusing butterfly ballots that were probably for Gore but ended up as Pat Buchanan.

And in 2004 we tried the same thing - questioning the results in Ohio. Again, there was way too much obvious corruption that happened in that state in an election run by an obviously partisan republican Secretary of State.

Now the tables are turned and the republicans are doing the same the same thing to us. But finding a reason to stop this from happening isn't as obvious & clear as Florida and Ohio. So they're grasping at Urban Legends - and the whole birth certificate store is just that - an Urban Legend like the kid who woke up in a bathtub full of ice because the night before he was drugged and someone stole his kidneys.

It's an embarrassment for the republican party, because I haven't seen one elected republican out there buying into the bad birth certificate story - just offshoots and lone wolves. But it gives us amusement and fodder to point out the ridiculousness of those people who buy into this.

[woo me with science]

10. yep.

I see it as grasping at straws. They are looking for any excuse to invalidate him, and this is one they could easily imagine a conspiracy theory around.

[Mike Daniels]

11. If the BC issue had any legitimacy Clinton and McCain would have used it

That neither one did should be enough for the FReeps to drop it but well, you know Freeps.

[nxylas]

20. But McCain is only a RINO who lacks the will to power and blah blah fucking blah

Wonder how they explain Hillary's refusal to use it, since according to Freeps she's an evil witch who murdered practically everyone she ever met for reasons which remain unclear to most of us in the reality-based community.

[csziggy]

12. When a guy tried to tell me Obama was born in Kenya, I just smiled

And told him McCain was born in Panama but that Democratic voters were not so desperate to try to claim McCain was not qualified to run for President. He shut up really fast after that!

[monmouth]

18. I notice a couple of brave souls over there at FReeperville have more

or less said this BC business was dead in the water. Said they were making themselves look ridiculous. HA!

[Mist]

25. Wasn't it determined that Gore in fact did win? The counting was done

over a year later. It didn't appear in too many media outlets, but a few papers had articles on it.

[DearAbby]

7. DING DING DING ............n/t

[bunkerbuster1]

8. K &R'd.

I think the time's come to call it out for what it is, as you've done, and as I will do next time it comes up in polite company.

[siligut]

9. Yes, I want the xenophobes to slam into a brick wall with their ideology, if you can call it that

I believe these people are a loud and obnoxious minority, emphasis on moronic. Most people really just want the country back on track. I don’t think I am wearing rose-colored glasses when I say that the MSM has changed its tune either.

[Ohio Joe]

13. Very close to what I've considered it

I've always thought of it as unhinged racist xenophobic bullshit.

Well said though, rec'd.

[Ezlivin]

14. What's scary is that they are actually getting SCOTUS to look at it

That's a damned good first step.

And what will we do about it if SCOTUS rules that Obama does not have a valid birth certificate?

[cali]

15. SCOTUS is not looking at this. Scheduling it for conference is not

hearing it. I'm 99.9% sure that SCOTUS will NOT grant certiorari. Actually, I'm a little more confident than that.

[kestrel91316]

16. They won't. Because he does.

And even IF he were born on Kenya or anywhere else, he was born the son of an American mother. End of discussion.

[csziggy]

19. If the freepers were afraid of riots, they would not want to invalidate Obama's birth certificate

Because if at this point, SCOTUS did that, there would be riots in the streets. No sane American would believe it - it would have been proven invalid long before now. It would be seen as just another way to steal the elections from us and we will not stand for that yet again! Especially in such a transparently racist fashion.

[Ezlivin]

23. Riots. Really?

I'd like to believe that the outrage would propel us to the streets, but I'm growing doubtful that it will.

We'd like to see Bush impeached and he is definitely guilty of war crimes and the deaths of thousands. Where is the outrage over this? Sure, we burn up the forums in our demands but the streets are empty.

[csziggy]

26. I think the many new voters who turned out Nov. 4 would be outraged enough to riot

If Obama is taken away from us - whether by invalidating his birth certificate or by assassination. I've been worrying for months about assassination but this stupidity about the birth certificate might be more dangerous. Personally I will not be at ease until Obama has been in office for several months - and still not be sure that the man will be truly safe even then.

[chrisa]

38. Don't worry.

This is a dead-end suit and ridiculous. He's clearly an American citizen, and this guy is just trying to get fame.

[csziggy]

42. I am not too worried about this suit - assassination OTOH keeps coming up in my nightmares

And it does not help that many of the cable channels have had recent specials about the JFK assassination.

[jberryhill]

35. What's "scary" about that?

Barack Obama was born August 4, 1961 in Honolulu.

That fact alone is determinative of his status as a natural born US citizen - i.e. a citizen of the US at birth. As Barack Obama never renounced his US citizenship to a US consular official abroad after reaching the age of 18, then nothing ever changed his status as a US citizen (the freeps have this bizarre theory under which a third party can renounce the citizenship of a minor - and they are of course dead wrong about that).

One funny part is that, yes, under British law, as a child of a British subject of the time (prior to Kenyan independence) he could have also claimed British citizenship.

However, one's status as a US citizen is determined by US law, and US law alone.

The irony is that the Freeps have this weird thing about whenever a Supreme Court decision includes a discussion of comparative law, because they think it means the SC is applying "foreign law" to reach a decision. In this instance, it is exactly what the freeps want.

Consistency is not their strong suit.

Same thing was tried with Chester A. Arthur, who also had foreign parents.

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. It sounds like they have nothing else to work with.

I almost feel sorry for them. They sound so desperate.

[mimitabby]

22. exactly!

it's kind of like the last protests of an older child upon discovering there is no Santa Claus.

It's perfect, though, they can mull and grouse and curse and whine and waste money and energy on lawsuits. They could be doing something far worse.

[Jim Lane]

46. I agree -- let them keep pursuing this

"It's perfect, though, they can mull and grouse and curse and whine and waste money and energy on lawsuits. They could be doing something far worse."

Quite right!

Obama hasn't made a big deal about answering this. The obvious reason is that it doesn't deserve much attention. I like to think, though, that the campaign prepared a detailed refutation, with legal analysis, affidavit of attending physician, whatever, and then said, "Oh, the hell with it. Why should we release this? Let the nutjobs keep on tilting at this windmill. It diverts them from serious mischief. Besides, watching them is a hoot."

I don't agree with the charge of racism, though. If Hillary had won, some of the Freepers would be arguing that her inauguration would constitute an illegal third term for Bill. Others would be lamenting that she'd never been prosecuted even though she murdered Vince Foster. They're just not part of the reality-based community. Remember, these are people who think the Republicans would've won if Palin had been at the top of the ticket.

[yardwork]

24. Of course. Don't let the freeps get to you. They have nothing better to do.

[autorank]

27. Are you ever right - k*r

I've gotten a few emails and have quickly made sure I got no more.

I agree that it's racist and I think that's the primary motivation. The xenophobia feeds off of that to make it very provincial and narrow.

There's no basis for fact in it, other than "analysis" from anonymous experts, which is hardly serious.

You framed the nonsense perfectly. These people actually think that there will be some huge
revelation that will stop the presidency. Very strange.

[jberryhill]

34. And water is wet

The only interesting part (from a sort of clinical perspective of "interesting") is that some of them don't even realize where their insistence on on Obama's "otherness" or "foreign-ness" comes from.

There is hope that a few of them may have an epiphany at some point, and that would be a good thing.

[diane in sf]

36. It's bullshit, his mother was an American citizen, he could have been born on the moon

[chrisa]

37. Couldn't agree more.

If Obama was White, none of this would ever be happening. These people are probably the same idiots that call President-Elect Obama "Hussein."

They're still grieving over the loss of McBush.

[LSK]

40. He was born in Hawaii, his parents met at the University of Hawaii

His father was a foreign exchange student. He was in Hawaii when he was born. They lived together for 2 years IN HAWAII. Barack did not even go to Africa until the late 1980s.

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS BORN IN AFRICA. NONE.

[Balbus]

43. They hate, we hate, you hate, I hate...

hating is the one thing that makes this country united.

[galledgoblin]

45. agreed on all points

8 years of horribly offensive whining are coming our way.

wish there were some sort of pacifier we could stuff in their faces just to shut them up without hurting this country.

[judasdisney]

47. Planting the seeds of "illegitimacy"

because Neofascists rely on mobilizing fear. And Democrats are dumbfucks who don't know how to fight it.

[KharmaTrain]

48. Bingo...The Usual Modus Operendi

Many here probably don't remember 1993...no sooner was Clinton elected then Rushbo was screaming about how he didn't really win a majority of the vote...then how there had to be something nefarious about them, then came the reports about Whitewater and Travelgate...it didn't take long for all that to become gist mill stuff. The Arkansas project was in full tilt and the goal was to cripple Clinton through putting questions about his legitimacy in people's minds...and it worked. By the time the inquisition happened, people had been so conditioned to the Clintons being "sleazy" (despite any proof...even after Starr went through their garbage many times over) the meme stuck quick and the feedy frenzy of Monicagate could go full-tilt.

No the Clintons didn't know how to fight it...and some will say, they still don't. They are obsessed with the media and the games and visa versa...while the one refreshing thing about President Obama is how he's avoided playing the games. You don't hear him or any of his surrogates even waste breath on the birth certificate bullshit, where I could easily have seen James Carville go after the freepers...rising the profile of the story and hurting the Clintons in return.

The wingnuts are still in mass denial...they just can't come to believe how badly they've been sold out by their corrupt party and how badly they had their asses kicked in November. The old tricks no longer work...the Mighty Wurlitzer...the machine they need to make any slime on Obama stick, has fallen apart.

You fight when you need to...and what you need to. Right now, a failing economy, failed healthcare system and war for profit are more important than what these shitstains care or think.

[judasdisney]

49. interesting question

You write: "No the Clintons didn't know how to fight it...and some will say, they still don't."

Maybe they do know how to fight it, but like the Bin Laden/Bush symbiosis, the Clintons derive their power from "Identity Politics".

Keep your opponent armed & dangerous, so you can raise revenue & alarmed supporters.

Perhaps that's one dark interpretation of the Clintons?

[KharmaTrain]

50. Indentity Politics...

Or should we say "there's money in them thar hills". Be assured a lot of the games the freepers will play here is for their own gain...much of it financial. Right now who would you consider the "leader" of the repugnican party? Methinks it's a big void and we're seeing the game as to who steps in to fill it. The civil war has begun and sides have been drawn...this is another step in trying to exploit the situation and attempt to be positioned for future power and influence.

Imagine all the money these shysters have made with this birth certificate scam. And there's more to come...each "false messiah" or "great white hope" will step forward to claim they "speak" for the "real conservative". Again, reality hasn't hit these people...hell I can still remember the daze following Kerry's loss in '04...the dread (which was surely justified) was so deep and so was the anger. It'll hit 'em even harder when they see President Obama taking the oath.

Stay tuned...we saw in this past election how detached these people are, they sure won't dissapoint over the next 8 years. The one thing I feel confident, President Obama once said "I've heard worse trash talk on a basketball court"...he frustrates them, and this is only a good thing.

As someone else stated here the other day, this birth certificate thing is like giving the freepers a Rubik's cube...they'll play with for hours and never figure it out.

Cheers...