How do we get a national online petition

[norepubsin08]

to promise to boycott Wal-Mart this season...starting from now until January 15th?

[Donnachaidh]

1. here's one site --

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/

[Tigress DEM]

2. I am sorry people are going to hate me, but I think we need to shame the mob, not the store.

I'm no great fan of Wal-Mart, but it wasn't Wal-Mart execs who trampled that worker, it was his neighbors who absolutely HAD to SHOP.

Am I the only one who sees a greater problem than Wal-Mart having a big sale?

I mean if we as a human race are so focused on shopping that we will trample someone to death, wtf hope is there?

If we can't restrain ourselves and walk into the store without killing each other, how is Wal-Mart or the government going to save us?

How about a "Get real and remember to be human this holiday season; don't join the stampede and trample your neighbor?" petittion?




un real.

[norepubsin08]

3. Both need to be shamed but I feel Wal-Mart has the greater

responsibility because they built the hype and set the stage for the incident to happen!

[Tigress DEM]

5. OK, but how much hype makes you kill people on an average day?

To me Wal-Mart is the whore and the crowd are the John's because it was their choice to be there laying their money down.

I think at this time of year a real effective campaign to BE HUMAN and USE THE BRAINS GOD GAVE YOU might be more successful accross the board.

I think we need to marginalize ANY HYPE that comes our way and start as a nation simply turning away from it.

We can make Wal-Mart the evil enemy or we can demand our fellow citizens be accountable for their own stupidity and culpability in this.

How will we as a nation make the sacrifices needed to deal with global warming if we can't stop ourselves from joining a stampede and trampling someone to death just to be first in line for some stupid stuff?

Kick Wal-Mart's ass, fine, but some other chain will just take their place unless we as people say, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Plenty of us screamed that quite loudly Nov 4, so let's all get serious about what OUR part is in it.

[Tigress DEM]

10. There was a myth that the mini-skirt caused men to rape women.

One time in a class there was a cop who was trying to say it really DID have an effect on men he'd arrested.

The teacher said, "Oh really, Officer, and how many more women have you raped since the mini came into fashion?"

"NONE!"

"Well, if it's the skirt causing the problem, then why isn't it causing you to rape women?"

Temptation can be there, but we don't just cave in because everyone says it really isn't our fault, we were tempted.

America needs to grow up and get off the media titty, quit letting marketing assholes make our major life decisions for us by bombarding us with ads.

[Sherman A1]

4. I must disagree

I believe that Wal Mart is particularly culpable in this instance. They established the situation through advertising, they failed to establish controls for the crowd and they failed to provide a safe working environment for the individual who was killed in the surge. There is no doubt that they did not directly kill the worker, but they set the stage and failed in their responsibility to the worker (and those others that were hurt). They did no due diligence and in my opinion this is a case of negligent homicide on the part of Wal Mart.

[norepubsin08]

6. Bullshit they did directly kill the worker

they set the stage, invited the participants with enticing invitations, hired the victim and failed to provide for possibilities of just this kind of situation when past experience tells you it is quite likely that it could happen again. Wal-Mart needs to be put out of business!!!

[Tigress DEM]

15. OUT of CONTROL PEOPLE drinking Wally KoolAid killed Jdimytai Damour

YOU are a responsible person. You don't shop at Wal-Mart no matter what hype is there. YOU would never have put yourself in a position to be a weapon of mob destruction. I bet you don't even shop Black Friday.

THOSE PEOPLE who gave up their free will and became part of that mob are the reason Wally is in business. NO WAY do they get off the hook. MAKE THEM face their own responsibility and Wally is gone. AND make Wally pay the family for it's lack of proper planning.

It isn't EITHER - OR. It's a hit man and the person who hired him. The one who pulled the trigger and the cash behind it.

WE need to STRESS that it is UN-AMERICAN to go shopping and be so out of control that people get trampled to death.

Wally can't make ME do anything I don't want to and we need to spread that DEM attitude to the rest of the Nation, for more reasons than just shopping.

WE as a country need to be freeing ourselves from the influence of media and marketers that sold America to the Corporations in the first place.

I marched with thousands and thousands against the war in Iraq in Washington DC and not a single person got trampled. The grass around the Washington Monument needed therapy afterward and a lot of trash needed to be picked up, but NO ONE died.

[Sherman A1]

21. Why, Thank You for YOUR CHARMING REPLY!

We actually agree, however YOU ARE More than Obnoxious and Rude.

So off to the Ignore list with You..... :argh:

[Tigress DEM]

8. Fine, they have their part, but human beings have to act human.

THIS is something we should REALLY be upset about, not just Wal-Mart's hype, but the fact that people let themselves be sucked into it.

Like the *ush administration did their damage but so did every asshole who voted for him and put up "kill that one" signs or the like.

During this time of year whether people like it or not, we DO have an opportunity to appeal to the best angels within us and band together as a nation and simply say, "NO" to playing this fricken shopping game. DE-Commercialism Christmas -- corporate AND PERSONAL GREED has stolen Christmas, not the left.

I am just saying do not let people off for their behavior. I realize with 2000 people there in total the 200 were probably pushed through whether they wanted to or not by the people in the back, but as a race we have to STOP this SHIT by refusing to be their pawns.

We need to teach our fellow Americans to grow a pair and not cop to "Wally made me do it."

Wally can advertise all they want, if we don't listen he'll shrivel up and die.

[blondeatlast]

7. "Blitz Line Starts Here." The store manager allowed that sign

and thus rendered CUSTOMERS into cattle.

I worked retail for years. This did not have to happen and the employees riled the crowd up besides--something we would NEVER have been allowed to do. Once a mob moves forward it's virtually impossible to stop it in time.

[Tigress DEM]

9. No FUCKING sign would turn me into a cow chewing my cud.

But, yes, Wally needs to do a better job of being responsible. I'm just saying that we are INVERSE in our anger. PEOPLE killed that man, not a sign.

PEOPLE have a choice to go shopping or seeing about 1000 others lined up, saying, this is crazy, I'll come back some other time or go online, shop local, buy theater tickets or donate to charity in my family's name..... WE DONT REALLY NEED MORE FUCKING STUFF FOR CHRISTMAS.

I marched with thousands and thousands of people in Washingtone DC and we didn't trample anyone to death, so it's not the crowd as much as the mentallity. YOU say it's Wally's fault and I say that's bull.

THIS is why the right laughs at us because we think if we stop Wally, the problem is over, but it's the idea that you have to go and buy all this stuff to make you happy and only an individual can realize that it just doesn't work that way and only people can get people to get over such juvenille shit.

[Obamanaut]

12. You're right. It's people. My post #11 talks about Filene's sales. nt

[Midlodemocrat]

14. Oh, God. Remember those? And, the $99 Bridal sales?

Horrifying.

[Midlodemocrat]

13. I don't hate you. I agree with you. And, I'm not a Wal Mart shopper.

[Tigress DEM]

18. Thanks.

I think it's the shock, and Wal-Mart HAS really been an ASS in it's policies.

My daughter-in-law worked there for a time and they LOCKED the closers in the building (against fire codes much?) until they finished up their closing work which was about 1-2hrs worth of stuff and they weren't allowed to do it during shift AND didn't get paid for working past their shift.

I simply think PEOPLE have to THINK.

"Who would Jesus trample to get to that last laptop on sale?"

I mean, if you're old enough to sign the visa slip, you're old enough not to push and shove people to the ground to get into a stupid store and buy more $tuff.

[Obamanaut]

11. It isn't just the store - it's the people who shop there. Is there going

to be a petition to boycott Filene's Basement? They have stampedes:

http://www.filenesbasement.com/bridal.jsp

<snip>
“…News reports so often compare it to the Running of the Bulls in Pamplona, Spain that the event is now officially called the “Running of the Brides…”
<snip>
“…The day of the sale, brides-to-be and their helpers line up early. When the doors open, they run full speed towards the racks. In less than 60 seconds, the racks are stripped bare (store employees have to hold on to the fixtures so they don’t topple)…”
<snip>

[Tigress DEM]

16. I think ALL Chain stores should be boycotted on EVERY Friday til things change.

AND I think we should start some sort of ANTI-Commercial Christmas movement. AND if you buy, buy local and shop at unique shops not the big box stores.

[Midlodemocrat]

17. Will never happen. Millions of people were out yesterday without incident

so they're not going to bow to that kind of social pressure.

Additionally, Friday is some folks ONLY time to shop. What do we tell them?

[Tigress DEM]

19. So on Friday, go online or go to local merchants - not chain stores.

Buy groceries or go out on Fridays, change your shift at work. Make choices that don't make you part of the herd.

Life isn't so inflexible that we HAVE to do anything.

BE a PEOPLE not a SHEEPLE.



OR HOW ABOUT THIS? Shop where and when you want, but DON'T WATCH ANY ADS AND TOSS OUT THE JUNK MAIL WITHOUT READING IT. MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS.


DO something different in honor of a man who was killed by America's addiction to shopping.

[Midlodemocrat]

20. I think you're preaching to the choir here. Seriously.

[Tigress DEM]

22. Right, but you asked what to tell "Others" who can "only shop on Friday"

Kind of like ideas of what to say to our relatives who were voting for McCain because of national security or some rubbish.

My main concern is how to keep the "good" parts of spreading our wealth, what there is of it, without continuing this mentallity of "shop til you drop or kill someone."

[Midlodemocrat]

24. Ideologically, I support your idea, but realistically, I don't think it's plausible.

There is a segment of the population we tend to overlook here on DU. Those who can't afford NOT to shop at WalMart. Those who only have access to the internet via the library, or via their student union.

I am very much against making them out to be the bad guys because of their circumstances. For those of us who have a choice, great. Others shouldn't be made to feel badly because they don't.

[hlthe2b]

23. I'm no fan of Wal-Mart, but what about the 1.8million employees?

Many of us already boycott Wal-Mart and we will continue (myself included).

However,a successful large scale national boycott would put the livelihoods of 1.8 million employees at risk. I hate that they have to work for Wal-Mart, but they do. Without a paycheck, how many do you believe would get by? Even those not laid off as a result of the boycott, would undoubtedly loose jobs afterwards....