People who come to the rescue of dominant, oppressive groups really chap my hide.

[readmoreoften]

Whenever some terrible thing is done to a woman, racial or ethnic minority, or LGBT person there are also a host of people that need a whambulance because "bigots" have painted their not-so-discriminatory little corner of the dominant group with "a broad brush" by a few people's failure to qualify every word they say in the heat of agony of having been discriminated against.

If women lost the right to vote, and someone on DU said "I can't believe that more men than women voted to take away our right to vote" and another said "the problem is patriarchial attitudes" there'd be a flurry of angry OPs to the effect "SOME women on DU are anti-male bigots and some women are anti-father and its disgusting!" There'd be a lot of cries to remember that not ALL men voted to take away those rights and to not paint ALL patriarchs with a broad brush. One poster would give a weeping tale about how her great-great-grandfather struggled 80 hours a week in a harem to provide food for the 50 children he sired and how not to paint ALL PATRIARCHS with a broad brush. It'd be followed up with "I'm sorry women lost the right to vote, but not all patriarchs in history have been bad. In fact, some even fought for women's freedom. Do you want to alienate them?"

If black teenagers were, say, unjustly prosecuted by a racist system and called--let's make up a name--maybe something like the JENA 6 :sarcasm: and someone on DU said "I can't believe the attitude of those racist assholes. What whites have done to the black community throughout history is unconscionable!!!" there'd be a flurry of angry OPs to the effect "SOME black folks and Jena 6 supporters are anti-white bigots and its disgusting!" There'd be a lot of cries to remember that not ALL white people hang nooses and fail to speak out against systemic racism. Why there's the Anti-Racist Action League (who would rip such a poster a new asshole) and what about all those white faces I saw in the ? The post would be followed up with "I'm sorry those kids are wrongly persecuted, but not all white people are bad. In fact, some fight for black folks' civil rights? Do you want to alienate them?"

If LGBT people say, lost the right to file a wrongful death suit against their spouses who were murdered for being LGBT and the initiative to stop such a right was VASTLY FUNDED by religious organizations and some DU posters said "I'm sick of religious people committing human rights violations against" there'd be a long line to the whambulance: "I'm sorry that your spouse was murdered by the member of a religious sect and you were unable to file a wrongful death suit because of another religious sect, but turning around and being an ANTI-RELIGION BIGOT is just as disgusting. In fact, some religious people are fighting for gay rights? Do you want to alienate them?"

Lemme tell you something, sunshines: as a white person I will never be TOO ALIENATED by black folk's rage at white racism to continue in my OBLIGATION to fight for racial equality. And when whiny white people cut off the very valid pain and outrage expressed by black folks encountering white supremacy, god help those people if they ever point to me to "prove how all white people are not bad."

I'm not worried about protecting the few tender white hearts whose feelings are hurt. I'm worried about ending racism in America. Instead of proving how all whites aren't bad, how about spending that energy fighting racial injustice in America?

I'm not worried about protecting the few tender male hearts whose feelings are hurt. I'm worried about ending sexism in America. Instead of proving how all men don't want to relegate women to second class status, how about spending that energy fighting for choice and equal pay?

I'm not worried about protecting the few tender religious believers whose feelings are hurt by outrage at church-funded campaigns against human rights. I'm worried about ending inequality and outright slaughter of LGBT people. Instead of listing all the small liberal churches who fight for equality, how about spending that energy fighting the MASSIVE machine that uses religion as a hammer against LGBT people's bodies and souls?

(And just to make myself REAL clear, I'm not worried about protecting the tender hearts of the filthy rich against criticism of the poor and working class either. And I don't care HOW MANY charity hospitals you fund.)

Not "all religious sects" are anti-gay? Yeah, no shit. Most gay people either belong to or know those who do belong to such sects. And we know that members of those sects know we're not targeting them when we say we're pissed off at organized religion:

Supportive religious people are more interested in fighting bigotry in their church than people who are turned off to religion because of religious bigots or who fail to list every minority religious group who supports LGBT people. The fact is: the major heavyweights are violent.
Supportive straight people are more interested in fighting homophobes than the gay people who are angry at violent heterosexual supremacists.
Supportive white people are more interested in fighting racism and discrimination than scolding black folks for not qualifying their sentences.

If you're in a dominant social category and the majority of your members have historically squashed the rights of others, well then that's your cross to bear, isn't it? I suggest you turn your rage to the perpetrators within your group instead of those who have just had their rights taken way. It's the assholes in your social group who have ruined it for you, not the survivors of their violence.

[justiceischeap]

1. Your posts thus far have been right on point in this matter

Bravo!

[readmoreoften]

5. Thank you that's really sweet. Frankly, I feel like a raging lunatic.

[tblue]

11. Then long live the Raging Lunatics of the World!

I'm one of them, too. I love the points you're making. I agree 100%. I hate that a church from Utah has such influence on the Constitution of the state of California. Organized religion, taken to this extreme, is poison.

[readmoreoften]

14. Really, most people complaining about organized religion aren't calling out Buddhists

or Wiccans. There's a reason for that.

[tblue]

16. Yep. "They know who they are."

[Lumpsum]

35. Buddhism isn't a religion.

That might be why.

[rhett o rick]

58. "There's a reason for that"? What the is this reason that you are intimating? nm

[TexasObserver]

2. Yes, there will sadly always be THE DEFENDERS OF THE OPPRESSORS

Never is that more evident that now.

[leftofthedial]

3. there is only one dominant, oppressive group in this country

and they don't post here.

[readmoreoften]

4. Oh come on, you really don't believe that do you?

There are dominant groups in the US with overlaps and alliances: white people, rich people, men, heterosexuals, and Christians. As far as I'm concerned its our responsibility to fight for equality for every minority term until there is "social group" or "predicate" parity. Sure the Republican party is the powerset of white-rich-male-straight-Christian dominance, but that doesn't mean we don't have to struggle against reflections of that supremacy where we are given undeserved privilege.

As a white person in America, I am given undeserved privilege all the time. I take responsibility for fighting that.

[leftofthedial]

6. not all the groups you mention, save rich, are homogenously dominant

[readmoreoften]

9. Doesn't matter. They're dominant terms. I'm not homogenously dominant. I still reap benefits tho.

I'm white. Even though I'm female and I'm gay and I'm working class/poor, I still am less likely to be bothered by police. I am more likely to be sexually assaulted by a male or earn lower pay for not being 'one of the boys' and I suffer economic consequences because of this on top of being from a working class home. But that doesn't "cancel out" white.

Of course I agree that rich is almost something different, as it involves the systemic theft of earnings... I'm still accountable for equalizing the unearned privileges I do have.

To me it's all about being not wanting to give up unearned privilege.

[leftofthedial]

27. I think you have a wealth of undeserved guilt.

The privilege you imagine you have hasn't existed in any real way for some time. To the tiny extent that it might still exist in some crevices within our culture, it is so utterly outweighed by the privileges of great wealth as to be insignificant. We are like gnats feeling superior for having access to a slightly larger fleck of dung on an elephant's ass.

So we proletarian gnats beat one another and ourselves up over this "privilege" while the true riches of life and of this earth are hoarded in monstrously swinish greed by a few. They know that we will divide ourselves, kill, hate and condemn one another to preserve even one infinitesimal morsel of shit that we can feel is ours. And we do. Now, their privilege extends to a completely different system of justice, a completely different set of rights and complete insulation from us and from the consequences of their criminally extorted nobility. They truly live in a different world. The one that rightfully belongs to all of us.

[WildEyedLiberal]

29. This is an incredible post and I wish I could recommend it

I have no doubt the oligarchs are delighted at the identity politics-driven division tearing apart DU the past couple of days. Identity politics = divide and conquer. Why are we doing the enemies' work for them?

[readmoreoften]

31. Actually, I really don't have any guilt at all. And I agree, the proletariat needs to come together.

I'm just looking at things realistically. Frankly, my whiteness doesn't buy me much. Whiteness itself doesn't buy much. That's the big stinking lie the capitalist slave traders told the immigrant masses. Where I see the 'guilt' and, frankly, the racism is the attempt to make people hallowed victims beyond reproach. "Tut tut! African-Americans are a wounded and benevolent people and wise and childlike, they'd never harm gays if they didn't deserve it." (The whole "magical negro" concept.) "Gays are urban and educated. They could never be racist or classist."

Talking about relative privileges instead of rivaling oppressions and building "hierarchies of damage" is a way that we can begin to tackle the real problem: the owner. But it my opinion, it ain't gonna come together until we take responsibility, talk honestly, and listen to one another. If we can't take these relatively small criticisms of how we've used one another, we'll never come together to tackle "the great users."

[leftofthedial]

51. Until they prove they don't deserve it, I love and respect everyone except the rich.

The rich must prove they deserve respect.

I respect even the jerk who stole my car last week (or at least I'd respect him after I beat the shit out of him).

[femrap]

61. I think you are describing a tactic

used by the rich, white boys...divide and conquer. Pitting BO against HRC was an excellent example of their strategy.

If the middle, working and poor classes of all colors and genders united, we'd kick ass. But we actually have the middle and working classes looking down on the poor. In the federal gov't, the word 'hunger' is NOT allowed....it's food insecurity. If Christians would only act more like Christ, we might have a chance.

[leftofthedial]

64. clearly, divide and conquer is a tactic of the oligarchy.

It works too.

As long as we care more about wedge issues than the class struggle, it will continue to work.

[curse of greyface]

7. You left a couple of groups out... nt

[readmoreoften]

13. Yeah and that's because I didn't have all day to post. I was making a point.

I didn't have time to list every racial minority or gender. Undocumented workers, Muslims, Native Americans, and transmen didn't enter my scenarios. But I never claimed to be developing a scenario for every minority term in America.

[seabeyond]

8. i have argued the christian, saying as a christian, it is MY responsiblity to react to their hate

their lies, their corruption. as a white i absolutely take responsibility for my race and speak out to them on their hate. and as a woman i stand up to my fellow females in the wrongs they do. and i teach my white sons to take on that responsibility as males, to the bigoted hate to female and blacks.....

i am a firm believer in looking at the truth of it and dealing with hte issue. i do not have to protect or defend.

i agree

to say it is not me and back away from fight or ignore it is to be part of the problem.

[leftofthedial]

52. it is each of us

but we have much worse enemies than one another

[seabeyond]

56. maybe i dont see any of us as enemies, hence why it is not hard or a chore to address.

and i dont see anything more destructive than not seeing this as our biggest issue. if we cannot come together as a people we will continue to live as we did the last 8 yrs. how well did that work for us

further, .... being multitasker that i am, i see no reason we cant deal with many issue at one time. this is part of living, every day life that is with us always... nor different than loving. doesnt use up that much energy

[leftofthedial]

63. we are on the same page.

Our first job (beyond survival) is to convince others of the same thing.

[donco6]

46. I've seen a number of Lds supporters here

Maybe you just missed them

[Warpy]

10. Great post

K&R

I have to admit I'm not overly concerned for the bruised feelings of the powerful majority when well deserved criticism is aimed at them.

Maybe they'll turn that righteous indignation into action and start to repudiate the oppressors within their various groups.

[jonnyblitz]

12. "stop bashing mormons, my wife is a mormon"nt

[readmoreoften]

17. I would and do criticize my own parents over this shit. Folks can criticize their

Mormon aunt and their Catholic brother, thank you very much...

Makes ya wanna :crazy: sometimes, huh?

:hi:

[jonnyblitz]

18. well that is fine that mr. x's mormon wife happens to be liberal

and supports gay rights but are we supposed to shut up about the massive funding from her church used to squash these rights just because his liberal mormon wife happens to be a member of it? :crazy:

I'm just babbling in your outstanding thread. sorry. :hi:

[Bunny]

15. Great post!

:applause:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

19. Bigotry Is Bigotry. All That Engage In It Are Dumb Ignorant Fucks; PERIOD.

It matters not the size of a group. Bigotry is an INDIVIDUAL characteristic. And each and every individual that is bigoted towards ANYBODY is guilty of being an ignorant, closed minded, shameful and disgusting mental midget. That's a fact.

The size of the group the person associates themselves with is irrelevant.

ALL bigotry is unacceptable. ALL bigotry should be squashed down. ALL bigotry should be challenged and fought. ALL bigots are pieces of shit.

[Zhade]

33. ...which, again, is why the mods locked your screed against atheists.

I mostly agree with your larger point, but would remind you that sometimes bigotry comes from sincere ignorance. Those people need to be educated.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

55. You're Lying Again. No Such Screed Existed.

My OP was about bigots, not atheists. You keep lying to twist it into something it wasn't. Shame on you for your dishonesty and deceit.

[krabigirl]

53. I am proud to say I am bigoted against intolerant people.

Oh, and people who try to cram religion down my throat. I'm glad you think I'm a piece of shit. Likewise!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

54. Being Against Those Who Are Intolerant Is Not Bigotry.

There's a big difference.

Lumping all people of a group together and attacking them with a broad brush while displaying ignorance and hate is bigotry.

If you aren't guilty of the latter, then the post wasn't for you. If you are guilty of it, then my post stands.

[femrap]

62. The willfully ignorant get on

my very last nerve.

[kwassa]

20. I disagree with you.

you said:
"If you're in a dominant social category and the majority of your members have historically squashed the rights of others, well then that's your cross to bear, isn't it? I suggest you turn your rage to the perpetrators within your group instead of those who have just had their rights taken way. It's the assholes in your social group who have ruined it for you, not the survivors of their violence."

Sorry, no. It is your responsibility to be accurate in your language, not for me to succumb to a thoughtless broad-brush attack that can be construed as bigotry. I have responsibility for myself, not as a policeman for my group, and I am also not responsible for the history that happened before me, unless I choose to take that on.

It isn't my cross to bear.

and if you want to win friends and influence people so that you are successful in your political goals, you won't try to make it my cross to bear, either. Your choice.

You will only alienate people who could be the support that you need.

[seabeyond]

21. I have responsibility for myself, not as a policeman for my group

i couldn't disagree with you more. you have more power, and influence and ability to help heal being one in this group than one outside the group. i feel there is a moral obligation to speak out ot wrong. i especially feel that responsibility if i have a greater ability to heal being a part of the group, and understanding that group being one, than outside of the group

it is exactly you mentality that i oppose and feel is so harmful. i think this attitude attributes as much to the disharmony then the actual behavior of those committing the act

the mere act of not speaking out ot your own condones the behavior. perpetuates it. and is a great shame.

[kwassa]

22. well, I partly agree with you.

this part
"you have more power, and influence and ability to help heal being one in this group than one outside the group."

True. At the same time, I don't have the responsibility to take abuse or accept a false characterization of myself or my group because it is described as "dominant". No such duty exists.

[seabeyond]

23. i never take abuse, and i never take anything false. i refuse, cause that is as harmful,

imo, as it is to ignore or dismiss what is happening within. again, we agree, lol. BUT i can understand and validate the pain that a person is feeling to the whole of a group. the thing, when an atheist, lets say... rants and raves at ALL christians for the abuse that our group, be it small but loud and effective in power, i do not return fire at that person, trying to protect or defend myself or religion. i dont get offended by the persons anger. i can understand it. and in love (the true christian way) i can validate the persons anger. that alone heals.... that person, i have found. just to have what they feel validated.

IF i chose to take it as a personal attack and go to defend or dismiss or deny the person by saying ya, well it isn't me, all i have done is frustrated the person and given them the feel they are not heard. in essence, validate their feelings.

once you get to the point of validating the persons feelings, then conversation and healing can begin.

i deal with this a lot with the males in my family. they are ALL respectful of women. truly love, appreciate and do feel women are equal. BUT i teach my sons, by them keeping their mouth shut among their male friends, they are condoning and escalating the disrespect and denigration of women as surely as doing it themselves.

as white males they have told me that blacks have been bigoted to them. that they have tried to be friendly and blacks dont like them simply cause they are white.

i dont let boys get away with this. i then talk to them about how (especially in our racist white area) the blacks in this community feel about the white population as a whole and why it is understandable for them to feel as they do. it is validating the feeling as a whole, regardless of the individual. my boys having a better understanding dont take it so personally and are able to make better inroads in understanding with the black community (real small in their all white school).

it is taking all this away from battle. not a need to win. not a them against us. but an insistence of win win win....

[hfojvt]

40. so basically being in a certified Victim Group

means never having to say you're sorry. If one white person is an a$$hole to you, it's okay to insult all white people. But it isn't okay for a white person to insult all black people if one black person is an a$$hole to them. It sucks to be on the wrong side of a double standard.

To me, it is one thing to express anger over an incident or a string of incidents, and quite another thing to turn that anger into a wild counter-attack.

As far as policing my own group I am not sure why I cannot do both. Police my own group when I see them cross the line, and police the other group when I see them cross the line. I don't think progress is made by encouraging hate even in an "oppressed group".

[seabeyond]

44. firstly, iwth understanding my kids are the winner, not the person sittin in hate, ever

for my kids to understand why a black is angry does not hurt them at all. they may not be winning a pissing contest, but in understanding they are not angry or hurt, ... but the other person that is sittin in the negative.

in this area of panhandle it is not one person saying something negative, it is a whole culture of white oppressing and being bigots just as the sexism is ingrained in our males.

and your final point, it is a stretch, a huge stretch, to suggest understanding where a person is coming from is in any way "encouraging" hate. it is only with understanding that the hate can be appeased.

your post is to protect your ego at all cost and there is always failure chosing ego.

[bettyellen]

45. LOL, i would have thunk you had yor victimhood certified already as it's such an important

part of who you are.

[readmoreoften]

26. So you think Black folks should have to preface everything they say with

"I know that not all white folks are racist, but..."
"I know that not all Republicans are bad, but..."

You haven't exactly used a nuanced brush in claiming that DUers angry about Prop 8 aren't racist. Where's your "I know that not all DUers are racist, but..." qualification if you disagree so strongly.

Heck, I'll hold you to your principles if that's what you want.

[hfojvt]

42. it doesn't always require a preface, merely the proper adjective or noun

A strong rant against white racists is not gonna bother whites who are not racists, but a strong rant against the racism of white people or just against white people and their white privilege simply IS including all white people in its target. Presumably if a person gets called on that, they will learn to be more careful when selecting a target for their rage.

It seems pretty simple to me, although I am sure everybody slips now and then.

Attack on sexism :applause:
Attack on sexists :applause:
attack on males or the sexism of all males :wtf:

although not always though, since I hold the opinion that there's a little bit of sexism in everybody, and also that people with the best intentions can pick up bad habits from a warped society. The trouble comes from a zero tolerance policy where the slightest hint of sexism makes one a total bigot, a subhuman with no redeeming features at all. Attach the scarlet B to your clothing. Take your three hours on the pillory where those of us without sin can throw rotten cabbages at your hideous deformed face and laugh and jeer as you cry out for a drop of mercy.

[kwassa]

66. Yes, I do, and it doesn't have to be a preface.

There is a powerful word. "Some"

Some black people are homophobic.

Some gay people are racist.

Other possible modifiers are "many" or "most" or "few".

No group is universally anything, and to say otherwise is false, if not also bigoted. The idea that being in a less-than-dominant group frees you from being linguistically accurate is ridiculous, in my opinion. All parties have equal responsibility to be accurate and truthful.

Broad-brush statements, without modifiers, are inherently false, regardless of position in society.

My own brush is nuanced enough to not call people racists, as I really try to avoid that, but to call certain actions racist. You might disagree with that analysis, but I always give my reasoning as to why a statement is, in my opinion, racist. And I have no idea how blacks can be seen as a dominant group in this country, and therefore not deserving of accuracy even in your philosophy.

[spoony]

41. well put.

"Sorry, no. It is your responsibility to be accurate in your language, not for me to succumb to a thoughtless broad-brush attack that can be construed as bigotry. I have responsibility for myself, not as a policeman for my group, and I am also not responsible for the history that happened before me, unless I choose to take that on."

An absolutely brilliant paragraph. Can't be said better than that.

[Unvanguard]

24. Thank you. That was a wonderful post. n/t

[Fran Kubelik]

25. This is a fantastic post.

:applause:

[TahitiNut]

28. The world is so much easier ...

... when every individual human being is filed and tagged according to type and usefulness in bins called 'groups.' We must always be certain to use the proper taxonomy of groups, both in dealing with others and in adopting approved opinions. "Identity politics" is the in thing.

[readmoreoften]

30. When dominant groups give up their supremacy, equality and individualism thrive.

Why do we so carefully distinguish between white and black in America? Slavery, not genetics.
Why do was there more sexual and gender diversity in Native American culture and antiquity in general? Big 3 religion.
Why is there more class inequality now than ever? Hint: it ain't poor people.


The dominant group seizes its terms and through its self-definition makes millions of erased people who serve as excluded subsets. The way to equality and individual worth isn't through some hippy rainbow magical acceptance of all mankind but the struggle to give equality to those sets that have been excluded.

[Zhade]

32. Not even CLOSE to enough recommends on this one.

Wow. That was AWESOME.

[Evoman]

34. Yeah, I don't get it.

I'm a member of only 1 majority group...men. And I will NEVER EVER confront a woman who has been abused, or women who have been targetted by opression, with a whine about how "all men are not the same".

You know why? Because I can fucking empathize. Because every fucking second I spend defending the majority, I could be spending LISTENING to the person who is really a target and making the world a better place for them.

The fact of the matter is that 100 percent of men are not low-life, women-hating opressors. But who fucking cares about that when ENOUGH men are low-lifes...if that weren't the case, than women would be completely equal in our society. They wouldn't be hurt, and objectified, and denied equal wages, and raped, and kept like cattle in this country and others. Ultimately, ENOUGH men are responsible, and I am not solving the problem by bitching about how my fucking feelings are hurt.

So yeah, it bothers me. I agree with you completely.

[Greyhound]

36. "I freed a thousand slaves, I would've freed a thousand more if they knew they were slaves". n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

37. Can we start a forum dedicated to the rescue of dominant, oppressive groups ?

Just kidding.

Brilliant post.

Kick and rec.

[CampDem]

38. Wow

K and R

[spoony]

39. Do you extend that attitude toward black people being blamed?

Or is it only okay when people "fail to qualify" their remarks and come off as bigots against bigger, "badder" groups?

I don't see anything wrong with people saying "stop attacking us, we're on the same side" when people step over the line and condemn entire groups of people, who are represented here on this site as supposed allies.

[baby_mouse]

43. Cool.

K&R

[bluedawg12]

47. The RW has cleverly united people in cultural wars

to the extent that any Democrats of any hue harbor heterosexist thoughts against gays, to the extent they actually vote against civil rights for gays--to the extent that the well known, rw white theofascists are able to unite people against their own party - the party is at risk and gays are carved out as an isolated group that merits the united front of all parties against them in the name of "family values" har core progressives should take note and be alarmed.

http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=Daughter+of+Martin+Luther+King+Marches+in+anti+gay+marriage+rally&fr=slv8-tyc7&u=www.nd.edu/%7Edcampbe4/SAMESEX.pdf&w=daughter+daughters+martin+luther+king+marches+anti+gay+marriage+marriages+rally&d=DfdWf0LURvL6&icp=1&.intl=us

Religious Coalitions For and Against Gay Marriage: The Culture War Rages On David E. Campbell University of Notre Dame Carin Larson Georgetown UniversityNote: To be published in The Politics of Same-Sex Marriage, eds. Craig Rimmerman and Clyde Wilcox, University of Chicago Press.

[FredStembottom]

48. A timely reminder, readmore!

Bearing in mind - and having to list - all the exceptions, that are just that...exceptions, is inappropriate in certain dire situations. It can lead to a kind of paralysis when action is required. Plus folks just need to holler against the real and true injustices! And hollering is notoriously un-nuanced.

We all get broad-brushed at certain times and I think what you write points the way to a possible new stage of development in Message Board participation. Message Board Etiquette 2.0: where we all tolerate the occasional broad swipe at our ephemeral Message-Board selves once we've balanced our grievance against the "swipers" genuine injustice.

Believe me, DU is well on it's way to that now. Try the comments section of any YouTube video to see how far we've come!

(Love your writing BTW!:hi:)

[crickets]

49. Excellent. Just can't rec it high enough - Kick! -nt

[devilgrrl]

50. readmoreoften fans check in here!

:thumbsup:

[Confusious]

57. Well, sometimes people need to be reminded

Or else they forget and the anger feeds off of itself and they start getting into a place thats really hard to get out of.

I've had things like this happen to me. I didn't stand up for myself when I was blamed for things, and pretty soon, even things I had nothing to do with became my fault.

If you keep saying all white people/ males/ straight people/ blacks/ indians/ irish/ etc/ are to blame, and noone says otherwise, what happens. pretty soon everyone starts believing it. Pretty soon your resposible for things that aren't even your fault.

I'm sorry, but I'm still going to stick up for males/ white people/ straight people/ You NEED to be reminded we're not all against you.

Julius Caesar had a slave who whispered in his ear "Remember, your still just a man"

[rhett o rick]

59. I guess Julius Caesar's slave wasn't educated. He used "your" instead of "you're". No wonder Big

Julie didn't listen.

[Confusious]

60. I don't se what my english has to do with it

I noticed you didn't comment on any of my points either

and he did listen, he never claimed he was a god, or an emperor.

[rhett o rick]

65. Sorry, I get a little flip sometimes. You have very good points.

This is a serious issue. I am too tired to give a good response so please accept my apologies.