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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:06 AM
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So, should we be happy OR WHAT ?????
We know that Valerie Plame Wilson is stunning, meticulously articulate in her demeanor and an artisan example of the quality selected for our CIA. That we know for sure, but that was a given.




Most important, from yesterdays sworn testimony, we also now know:



:bluebox: The highest level official of the CIA confirmed that at the time of her outing she was a covert agent for the CIA.

:bluebox: We know the same official also confirmed that she was working in the counter proliferations unit with responsibilities relating to weapons of mass destruction.

:bluebox: We know through sworn testimony of Valerie Plame that a co-worker who submitted written testimony to a former republican chaired committee almost tearfully related to her that he had his words twisted and misrepresented, then publicly reported by that committee as fact. And when he requested opportunity to return and correct this record, he was summarily denied . That CIA agents original submitted testimony has been ordered to be produced :woohoo:

:bluebox: We know that approximately 15-20 people in the highest levels of the administration knew, or should have known that when they discussed Valerie Plame with reporters or media figures that she was a CIA operative and entitled to extreme protection under the law.

:bluebox: We know that despite this knowledge and with reckless disregard for any duty to insure they were not disclosing classified information, they knowingly and willfully divulged her name, CIA affiliation and marital relationship as being that of one with Joseph Wilson. The individual who wrote a devastating article debunking the claims of the administration that Iraq was seeking to buy yellow-cake uranium from Niger.

:bluebox: We know that after it became known through the publication of Robert Novak's article that her CIA status was compromised and this devastating setback to the CIA had now become public, within days the CIA filed a crimes report with the Department of Justice; demonstrating without equivocation the seriousness they ascribed to this disclosure.

:bluebox: We know that the president in a soon following press conference vowed that he would investigate and would fire anyone in his office found to be associated with the leak.

:bluebox: However we now know, that the Director of Security for the White House said there was NO investigation, NO report by his predecessor, NO INDIVIDUAL spoke to him at any time regarding or showing a concern for investigation.. And under withering examination by Paul Hodes admitted that he should have initiated an investigation as it was his responsibility to insure further classified information was not continuing to be leaked.

:bluebox: We now know that any and all in possession of classified information or anyone that had received classified information that was wrongfully disclosed, or even suspected to be classified--be it either a result of negligence, carelessness or illegality, had a duty under executive order 12958 to come forward and make this information known to the Office of Director of Security. A written report should also have been filed. Knoddel admitted no such report exists.

:bluebox: We now know that the Intelligence Protection Identities Act is completely separate and apart from this executive order requirement to investigate and assure that no breach of national security has occurred by any learned disclosure of classified information.

:bluebox: We know that under further withering grilling by Senator Hodes, Knoddel admitted that if two or more individuals had leaked any classified information, this would be considered a CONSPIRACY.

:bluebox: We also know James Knoddel affirmed that no one has ever come forward, prior to the initiation of legal proceeding against Mr. Libby, during the proceeding, or at anytime to present. This most notably also includes Karl Rove.

:bluebox: We know that to this day, Karl Rove retains his security clearance and maintains full rights to highest classified intelligence in the White House.

:bluebox: We know that Karl Rove would have had to have his security clearance reviewed as part of standard procedure in 2006. Having been five years since last issuance of his clearance, review is required every five years. An investigation and re-certification documents would absolutely be required as part of that process. A record of that review has been requested to be produced :woohoo:


In summary we know the longest journey begins with the smallest step. And boy my fellow Dems, yesterday was no small step.

Bartender, Maalox for everybody at the White House !!!

And Valerie sweetheart, finally YOUR justice is comin’ !!



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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:10 AM
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1. K&R - Excellent, succinct summary
Thank you! :applause:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:11 AM
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2. great post! all the way to the end.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:12 AM
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3. Yes, but we never got to the bottom of that whole steroids in baseball thing.
Priorities, people! PRIORITIES!
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:30 AM
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4. Great post and excellent summary! I wish we could get to the bottom
of one question that has never been adequately answer, to my satisfaction.

Why would it be significant whether Ms Plame recommended her husband for the assignment to Niger or not?

Why would that be an issue to use against Mr. Wilson's comments? I have never understood why the WH thought that this particular piece of information (or disinformation, rather) could be used to discredit Mr. Wilson's testimony. Can someone explain to me why, if Ms Plame had recommended Mr. Wilson for the assignment, this would discredit his findings?
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:43 AM
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10. The Republicans are treating it as though it were a
prize assignment--a paid vacation during which he just sat around drinking tea. But it was an unpaid assignment. When requested to, he undertook it out of a sense of patriotic duty--at a time when he and his wife had 2-year-old twins at home and neither spouse was eager to have him go on a trip abroad.

The CIA covered his travel expenses,nothing more.

Would any of BushCo's RW mouthpieces consider it a prize assignment to have to travel to Niger, away from their spouse and toddler twins, without getting a cent for their time and effort?

I don't think so.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:30 AM
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5. K & R
Very good summary.

Thank you.

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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:31 AM
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6. Yes. Yes we should. K&R
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:33 AM
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7. So, uh... Let me get this straight...
This is the first step in ensuring that Shrub and Cheney are finally implicated for conspiring against the best interest of our national security to pursue a war of vengeance and personal greed (among thousands of other high crimes and misdemeanors)???

YES! YESyesyesyesyesYES!....:woohoo:
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:34 AM
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8. Great info. What do you think the result will be? What consequences? nt
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:42 AM
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9. A Democratic sweep
in the 2008 elections, minimum?

Am holding out hope for impeachments pending the outcomes of the investigations. But that momentum will have to come from us; not much stomach for it in Congress though I can't understand why that is.

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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:59 AM
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12. Read the AP story about Plame testimony and see if you think it
comes close to the summary provided above, or if it captures the importance of the event and the issue. This, and other similar MSM articles, is what most of the country sees. Only a small percentage of the public watches cspan or reads DU.
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 11:19 AM
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15. Good points
but the Dems took back Congress in 2006 despite the MSM, and since then everything has gone downhill for Bushco. Libby, Walter Reed, Gonzo, Iraq Iraq Iraq ... take yer pick.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 11:20 AM
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16. The OP would make a great LTTE, not just to the major newspapers but also the networks and CNN. nt
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 11:21 AM by glitch
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 11:39 AM
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17. I've said all along;
After the investigations, the people will be SCREAMING for more than impeachment.

I've been looking forward to the shadow lifting, for the darkness of this administration to be peeled back so we can expose the treasonous bastards to the light of scrutiny.

Even the freepers can't continue to delude themselves over the treachery of this administration.
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 11:42 AM
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18. The wave is building, for sure
It is nice to see the shadow lifted. Well said.
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:43 AM
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11. k&r Excellent work and thank you
I agree with you..this was no small step.

:kick:


INVESTIGATE IMPEACH INDICT INCARCERATE :patriot:
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 11:00 AM
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13. Terrific summary - hope you won't mind just one tiny correction --
It's actually James *Knodell*.
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Danascot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 11:03 AM
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14. This looks for all the world
like a bill of particulars in support of an impeachment proceeding. Nice job, JC.

Add this to the other dozen or more that are out there. At least this one has a gorgeous blond going for it, even if no blow job.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:28 PM
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19. Yeah, it's absolutely essential that she be stunning
:wtf:

Why on EARTH would you need to start out with that bit of sexism -- or include it at all? I see others have noted how good a summary you've created. I'll take their word for it. I was too disgusted to read on.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:02 PM
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20. Yeah I apologize that I led off with an often stated
and heartfelt compliment to Ms. Wilson. :eyes:

Valerie, can you ever forgive me?
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:44 PM
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22. You don't get it, do you?
Women are routinely held to a different (usually higher) standard relative to personal appearance. THIS IS SEXIST.

Women are routinely expected to be beautiful to truly have worth and value -- but if too beautiful then they're considered dumb. THAT IS SEXIST.

Prominent women -- even in the highest positions, such as Valerie Plame (superspy) and Hillary Clinton (Senator and Presidential Candidate), unlike men in the same positions, get reported on in the media on the basis of their personal appearance. THIS IS SEXIST.

This practice in the media AND IN SOCIETY (including here) serves to trivialize the woman and her accomplishments (and all women and their accomplishments and contributions to soceity), and diminish her influence and power (and that of all women). THIS IS SEXIST.

But women as a class and even more so as individuals (read that Plame article again) ARE harmed -- trivialized, diminished, objectified, thoroughly disempowered. THIS IS SEXISM at an institutional/societal level, which negatively affects all women, and DU needs to line up to hep STOP this shit, not contribute to it.


It's not that it can't be a topic of (some) discussion, but that women as a class are held down and discriminated against because there are different standards that apply to women and men AND because appearance becomes an "issue" for women when it usually doesn't for men.

Yes, she's gorgeous. But please, if you're a progressive or liberal who actually believes in equal rights, you owe it to yourself, to your party, to ALL the women you care about and all those you don't, to the nation and the world, to find things to discuss -- either positively or negatively -- that are NOT about appearance, that are NOT stereotypically women's domain, and that are NOT (in the case of criticism) gender slurs (bitch, whore, etc.). You DID find other things to discuss, but you just had to start out with the sexist thing about her appearance. It marred an otherwise good post.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:15 PM
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24. Uhm
..... I believe I will stick with # 20 Alex.

But I do promise never to call you, stunning. I assume you are female.

My whole life has to be revised now.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:32 PM
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25. Oh, I HOPE so
My whole life has to be revised now.

In which case, I have succeeded with you beyond my wildest dreams.
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Sybil_23mist Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:06 PM
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21. Wonderful post! n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:07 PM
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23. You do need a journal JIC.
Great post! Bookmarking.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:51 PM
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26. Thanks Molly
The irony is, if you only KNEW how much I hate to write.

Oy, if you only knew.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 01:04 PM
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30. Well, we don't choose our blessings.
;)
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 11:01 PM
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27. Nice PG update summary. n/t
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 01:04 AM
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28. So let it be written ...
... so let it be done - and WELL DONE INDEED!!!

:applause:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 01:09 AM
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29. Why did this take till the last year of DUH-bya's 2nd term?! n/t
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