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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:51 PM
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I need help with a response
My RW FIL sent me this garbage and I am not sure how to respond. I think the real truth lies in the fact that all of the yellow cake was from before the first gulf war. Any thoughts?


>Subject: Secret U.S. mission hauls uranium from Iraq.
>Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:00:26 -0400
>
>On July 5, 2008, the Associated Press (AP) released a story titled:
Secret
>U.S. mission hauls uranium from Iraq.
>
>
>The opening paragraph is as follows:
>
>The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program a huge
stockpile
>of concentrated natural uranium reached a Canadian port Saturday to
>complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two week airlift from
>Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.
>
>See anything wrong with this picture? We have been hearing from the
>far-left for more than five years how, Bush lied. Somehow, that slogan
>loses its credibility now that 550 metric tons of Saddam's yellowcake,
used
>for nuclear weapon enrichment, has been discovered and shipped to
Canada
>for its new use as nuclear energy.
>
>It appears that American troops found the 550 metric tons of uranium
in
>2003 after invading Iraq. They had to sit on this information and the
>uranium itself, for fear of terrorists attempting to steal it. It was
>guarded and kept safe by our military in a 23,000-acre site with large
sand
>beams surrounding the site.
>
>This is vindication for the Bush administration, having been attacked
>mercilessly by the liberal media and the far-left pundits on the
>blogosphere. Now that it is proven that President Bush did not lie
about
>Saddam's nuclear ambitions, one would think the mainstream media would
>report the story. Once the AP released t he story, the mainstream
media
>should have picked it up and broadcast it worldwide.
>
>This never happened, due in large part I believe, to the fact that the
>mainstream media would have to admit they were wrong about Bush's war
>motives all along. Thankfully, the AP got it right when it said, The
>removal of 550 metric tons of yellowcake the seed material for
higher-grade
>nuclear enrichment was a significant step toward closing the books on
>Saddam's nuclear legacy.
>
>Closing the book on Saddam's nuclear legacy. Did Saddam have a nuclear
>legacy after all? I thought Bush lied. As it turns out, the people who
lied
>were Joe Wilson and his wife.
>
>Valerie Plame engaged in a clear case of nepotism and convinced the
CIA to
>send her husband on a fact finding mission in February 2002, seeking
to
>determine if Saddam Hussein attempted to buy yellowcake from Niger.
The CIA
>and British intelligence believed Saddam contacted Niger for that
purpose
>but needed proof.
>
>During his trip to Niger, Wilson actually interviewed the former prime
>minister of Niger, Ibrahim Assane Mayaki. Mayaki told Wilson that in
June
>of 1999, an Iraqi delegation expressed interest in 'expanding
commercial
>relations' for the purposes of purchasing yellowcake.
>
>Wilson chose to overlook Mayaki's remarks and reported to the CIA that
>there was no evidence of Hussein wanting to purchase yellowcake from
Niger.
>
>However, with British intelligence insisting the claim was true,
President
>Bush used that same claim in his State of the Union address in January
of
>2003.
>
>Outraged by Bush's insistence that the claim was true, Wilson wrote an
>op-ed in the New York Times in the summer of 2003 slamming Bush.
>
>Wilson did this in spite of the fact that Mayaki said Saddam did try
to buy
>the yellowcake from Niger. The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
>disagreed with Wilson and supported Mayaki's claim. This meant nothing
to
>Wilson who was opposed to the Iraq war and thus had ulterior motives
in
>covering up the prime minister's statements.
>
>It was a simple tactic really. If the far-left and their friends in
the
>media could prove Bush lied about Hussein wanting to purchase
yellowcake
>from Niger, it would undermine President Bush's credibility and give
them
>more cause for asking what other lies he may have told.
>
>Yet, the real lie came from Wilson, who interpreted his own meaning
from
>the prime minister's statements and concluded all by himself that the
claim
>of Saddam attempting to purchase yellowcake was 'unequivocally wrong.'

>Curiously, the CIA sat on this information and did not inform the CIA
>Director, who sided with Bush on the yellowcake claim. This was made
public
>in a bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee report in July 2004.
>
>Valerie Plame also engaged in her own lie campaign by spreading the
notion
>that the Bush administration outed her as a CIA agent. Never mind that
it
>was Richard Armitage -- no friend of the Bush administration -- who
leaked
>Plame's identity to the press. Never mind that Plame had not been in
the
>field as a CIA agent in some six years.
>
>The truth is, due to their opposition to the war, Joe Wilson, Valerie
>Plame, the mainstream media and their left-wing friends on the
blogosphere
>engaged in a propaganda campaign to undermine the Bush administration.
Now
>that Saddam's uranium has been made public and is no longer a threat
to the
>world, do you think these aforementioned parties will apologize and
admit
>they were wrong? Don't count on it. The rest of the American people
should
>hear the truth about Saddam's uranium. It is up to you and me to
inform
>them every chance we get.
>
>As far as the anti-war crowd is concerned, the next time they say
that,
>'Bush lied,' we should tell them to, 'Have the yellowcake and eat it
too.'
>
>
>This story was verified, if you want to check it for yourself, click
on the
>links below.
>
>http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/u/uraniumyellowcake.htm
>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:52 PM
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1. That Uranium was under U.S. control before, during and after the war.
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 12:52 PM by IanDB1
It was also not of the type that could easily be made into a bomb.

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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:54 PM
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3. Which war?
The first gulf war?
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:54 PM
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2. Easy, just send the damn SNOPES link debunking it.
And bookmark snopes.com for future reference:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/yellowcake.asp


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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:56 PM
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4. Be sure to hit reply to all n/t
n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:56 PM
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6. Reply to all ALL THE WAY to the bottom of the email. n/t
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:56 PM
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5. Hey thanks.....
I guess....Hope you don't think I am stupid for asking.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:59 PM
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9. Not at all, but I do go to snopes.com first when I get these right-wing lies
in my email box.

As stated in this thread, hit "reply all" and suggest to your emailer that they research their BS at snopes.com before emailing you again.

You won't believe how fast they stop emailing you their lies and misinformation.

:)

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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:57 PM
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7. Its A Lie, Saddam Purchased Yellow Cake From Betty Crocker
:woohoo: :hi:

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:58 PM
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8. 1. snopes.com: Yellowcake Uranium Removed from Iraq FALSE
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 12:58 PM by IanDB1
1. snopes.com: Yellowcake Uranium Removed from Iraq ••••
Yellowcake uranium removed from Iraq in 2008 proved that Saddam Hussein was trying to restart Iraq's nuclear program?
...Claim: The removal of yellowcake uranium from Iraq in 2008 proved that Saddam Hussein had been trying to restart Iraq's nuclear program. Example:...
...Uranium in Iraq? I wonder why this hasn't been on the evening news . . . Secret U.S. mission hauls uranium from Iraq Last major stockpile from...
...Mission Hauls Uranium From Iraq On July 5, 2008, the Associated Press (AP) released a story titled: Secret U.S. mission hauls uranium from Iraq. The...
Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:17:06 GMT http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/yellowcake.asp
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:59 PM
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10. Damn dude...that shit's SNOPES old
nt
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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:18 PM
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11. It's funny -- the first link provided in that email for verification
contains the correct information for debunking the distortion. Obviously, the liars don't even click and read the links they provide to supposedly "verify" the lie.

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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:27 PM
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12. No, this crap often comes with links to verify, & the reader assumes it's true because of the
Snopes link. They never bother to click the link and find that to their surprise, it's not true!
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tbredbeck Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:36 PM
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13. sigh, RW relatives...
I used to get these kinds of things all the time. Finally I started hitting back with Snopes and obvious rebuttals. I never found out if they changed their minds, but I think they just stopped copying me.
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