Socialism at its Finest

[BeFree]

All the good things that we all depend on, whether you are rich or poor, have a socialist upbringing.

Water systems, roads, schools, even police departments (can you even imagine a private police department?) are socialist at the core. The People own these systems and have a say in how such systems are run.

The only difference between rich and poor people is that rich people are far more dependent on all these systems being run correctly. Their fortunes are protected by proper operations of these shared resources. They owe a large part of their success to socialism.

[BeFree]

1. Government is socialism

So anyone who gets elected supports socialism. Mcsame is a socialist since he's been in gov for years.

[deaniac21]

7. Does that include Italy and Germany circa 1939?

[BeFree]

9. The idea ...

....is that a properly run American government is socialistic. Imporperly run governments any where are whatever they are.

[deaniac21]

19. Very clear.

[codjh9]

2. My pol. sci. professor dad used to say that many military benefits, such as shopping at the PX,

are socialism. Someone in the Dem. party should've stood up a LONG TIME AGO and said that being 'Liberal', and even being 'Socialistic' on some issues is NOT BAD, DAMMIT. Most conservatives seem to have no f-ing clue how different communism and socialism is anyway. They need to be educated, but as we all know, that's a tall order (you can't learn if you won't listen).

[bobbolink]

3. There has to be someone Speaking in order for the other person to LISTEN.

As you rightly point out, Dems have NOT been speaking to this.

Dems have allowed this ignorance, and this must be laid at their collective feet.

It's all FEAR.

[BeFree]

5. That's why...

...I like the pubbies claiming Obama is a socialist. It is something we all need to embrace. And push socialism for the next few years. If we don't, who will?

[dugaresa]

4. just imagine if the Fire Department were "privatized"

imagine if you had to pay into a private kitty for fire service...

or if you had to have an "insured sticker" because the Fire department would bill you for their services?

locally we have a lot of volunteers....that would never happen if it were privatized...there wouldn't be any "good will"...it would be about making money

[BeFree]

6. We'd save mony....

... but lose a lot of houses?

[bobbolink]

8. No... just like in health care, we'd pay more.

Please, remember that the real problem is the PROFIT the corporations are making.

So, yes.... there would be a lot of houses and LIVES lost, but we'd be paying more.

Just like in health care.

Whle the corporate CEOs spent their billions on houses everywhere, driving up property values so you couldn't afford a home, and jetting all over adding to the greenhouse gasses.

[Solon]

11. Actually, in some locations in the country, the fire department used to be private...

several different companies would compete, and if you were a customer of one of them, you put their medallion on your house. Of course, if you had a fire, and a fire brigade(this was the 19th century) from a competing fire company saw it, they would pass you by, not helping to put out the fire, because you didn't pay them.

Another example was actually illustrated in the movie "Gangs of New York" which showed two fire brigades from two different companies literally fighting each other over the right to put out a fire in a building. While they were fighting the building burned to the ground.

Basically the reason fire departments are public and socialized now is because the experience with private services like this was so horrible.

[Caliman73]

15. They were

Think back to New York in the 1800's. You had several fire brigades who used to compete against each other and would break into fights while structures burned. Or else they would let the homes of people who didn't pay them, burn to the ground.

[B Calm]

10. The US Military is a socialist program!

[BeFree]

12. Shoot

Everyone already knew that, right? I mean even Palin knows that. Right?

[tjwash]

13. Yeah...socialism; or redistribution of wealth.

Or whatever the fucking the neo-con assholes are calling any of us that call them out on their callous, selfish, disregard for anyone other than themselves this week.

I hate dog whistle-bumper sticker politics. Anyone who has been paying attention knows damn good and well that the biggest redistribution of wealth that ever took place in this country happened a couple of weeks ago. The government bails out a bunch of billionaires on Wall Street, and yet Obama is the socialist.:eyes:

Hell, they are STILL pushing all kinds of government subsidized programs to save companies that well compensated CEO's fucked up. Talk about a socialized banking system.

[BeFree]

16. Yeah

"Government" said Reagan, "is not the solution, its the problem"

Well, I guess they blew that all to hell. Now they say "Government is the solution, stick 'em up."

[B Calm]

18. I look at Obama's tax plan as a recovery mechanism

for all the benefits large businesses, the rich, and Wall Street received at the expense of 99% of the population. It's Judgment Day!

[BeFree]

20. That's what they fear: Judgement

It could be harsh if they don't get with the program.

[upi402]

14. Jesus was a socialist too n/t

[BeFree]

17. Yep

He was a good example of socialism, what with all the spread the wealth he preached on. And free health care.

[upi402]

21. and tipping over the money lenders tables too!

that overlays nice onto our bailout crap. both parties are paying for their losses instead of tipping over the tables.