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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:52 PM
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Poll question: Just what is a "neocon" these days anyway?
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:54 PM
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1. Door stop.
Really, they work great.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:02 PM
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4. Speedbump!
Also, Hotpad, Toilet Plunger.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:10 PM
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7. I'd say paperweight but
they are so greasy they leave marks.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:57 PM
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2. Neo con artists n/t
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:58 PM
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3. Someone who thinks "Leave it to Beaver" and "Father Knows Best"
were documentaries.


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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:04 PM
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5. That thing under the rock near the outhouse.
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:05 PM
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6. they don't want to conserve the Constitution
or the then economy, or the country, or the planet.


not one dame "conservative" thing about 'em.
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:15 PM
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8. the 'neo-cons' are the LEADERS of the movement that has ruined this country!

The 'neo-confederates' are their naive, bigoted, illerate, gay-bashing, bible-thumping FOLLOWERS.


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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:21 PM
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9. If they remake themselves
are they neo-neo-cons?
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:32 PM
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10. Neocon 101 definition
Neocon 101

What do neoconservatives believe?

"Neocons" believe that the United States should not be ashamed to use its unrivaled power – forcefully if necessary – to promote its values around the world. Some even speak of the need to cultivate a US empire. Neoconservatives believe modern threats facing the US can no longer be reliably contained and therefore must be prevented, sometimes through preemptive military action.

Most neocons believe that the US has allowed dangers to gather by not spending enough on defense and not confronting threats aggressively enough. One such threat, they contend, was Saddam Hussein and his pursuit of weapons of mass destruction. Since the 1991 Gulf War, neocons relentlessly advocated Mr. Hussein's ouster.

Most neocons share unwavering support for Israel, which they see as crucial to US military sufficiency in a volatile region. They also see Israel as a key outpost of democracy in a region ruled by despots.believing that authoritarianism and theocracy have allowed anti-Americanism to flourish in the Middle East, neocons advocate the democratic transformation of the region, starting with Iraq. They also believe the US is unnecessarily hampered by multilateral institutions, which they do not trust to effectively neutralize threats to global security.

What are the roots of neoconservative beliefs?

The original neocons were a small group of mostly Jewish liberal intellectuals who, in the 1960s and 70s, grew disenchanted with what they saw as the American left's social excesses and reluctance to spend adequately on defense. Many of these neocons worked in the 1970s for Democratic Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, a staunch anti-communist. By the 1980s, most neocons had become Republicans, finding in President Ronald Reagan an avenue for their aggressive approach of confronting the Soviet Union with bold rhetoric and steep hikes in military spending. After the Soviet Union's fall, the neocons decried what they saw as American complacency. In the 1990s, they warned of the dangers of reducing both America's defense spending and its role in the world. Unlike their predecessors, most younger neocons never experienced being left of center. They've always been "Reagan" Republicans.

What is the difference between a neoconservative and a conservative?

Liberals first applied the "neo" prefix to their comrades who broke ranks to become more conservative in the 1960s and 70s. The defectors remained more liberal on some domestic policy issues. But foreign policy stands have always defined neoconservatism. Where other
conservatives favors détente and containment of the Soviet Union, neocons pushed direct confrontation, which became their raison d'etre during the 1970s and 80s.

Today, both conservatives and neocons favor a robust US military. But most conservatives express greater reservations about military intervention and so-called nation building. Neocons share no such reluctance. The post 9/11-campaigns against regimes in Afghanistan and Iraq demonstrate that the neocons are not afraid to force regime change and reshape hostile states in the American image. Neocons believe the US must do to whatever it takes to end state-supported terrorism. For most, this means an aggressive push for democracy in the Middle East. Even after 9/11, many other conservatives, particularly in the isolationist wing, view this as an overzealous dream with nightmarish consequences.

How have neoconservatives influenced US foreign policy?

Finding a kindred spirit in President

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The Neocons
Characterized as former liberals turned conservative, the Neocons have diminished their credibility by sponsoring an ill-conceived and disastrous Iraq war ...
www.alternativeinsight.com/Neocons.html


US News / Special: Empire Builders / Neocon 101 Most neocons believe that the US has allowed dangers to gather by not spending enough ... Today, both conservatives and neocons favor a robust US military. ...
www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html

And from Wiki:

Neoconservative policies
Irving Kristol, the "god-father" and one of the founders of neoconservatism, stated five basic policies of neoconservatism that distinguish it from other "movements" or "persuasions"<7>. These policies, he claimed, "result in popular Republican presidencies":

Taxes and Federal Budget:
"Cutting tax rates in order to stimulate steady economic growth. This policy was not invented by neocons, and it was not the particularities of tax cuts that interested them, but rather the steady focus on economic growth." In Kristol's view, neocons are and should be less concerned about balancing fiscal budgets than traditional conservatives: "One sometimes must shoulder budgetary deficits as the cost (temporary, one hopes) of pursuing economic growth."<7>

Size of Government:
Kristol distinguishes between Neoconservatives and the call of traditional conservatives for smaller government. "Neocons do not feel ... alarm or anxiety about the growth of the state in the past century, seeing it as natural, indeed inevitable."<7>

Traditional Moral Values:
"The steady decline in our democratic culture, sinking to new levels of vulgarity, does unite neocons with traditional conservatives". Here Kristol distinguishes between traditional conservatives and libertarian conservatives. He cites the shared interest of Neocons and Religious Conservates in using the government to enforce morality: "Since the Republican party now has a substantial base among the religious, this gives neocons a certain influence and even power."<7>

Expansionist Foreign Policy:
"Statesmen should ... distinguish friends from enemies." And according to Kristol, "with power come responsibilities ... if you have the kind of power we now have, either you will find opportunities to use it, or the world will discover them for you."<7>

National Interest:
"the United States of today, inevitably ... feel obliged to defend ... a democratic nation under attack from nondemocratic forces ...that is why it was in our national interest to come to the defense of France and Britain in World War II ... that is why we feel it necessary to defend Israel today."<7>
(Why not other countries, such as the many African countries where genocide rages?)




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