New Email Circulating - Yes I checked snopes

[Maine-ah]

To all,


I have read all of the emails from not only some of the MTOA board members, but from other Law Enforcement & Military personnel about Barack Obama's rudeness and what seems to be disgust for basically anyone in uniform. Well, it's my turn to add to the list of emailers and here it is:


So members of the Calhoun County Sheriff's Department, Michigan State Police, (me included) and other local agencies inside Calhoun County are working with Secret Service in the security of Mr. Obama. Mr. Obama's bus arrives in Battle Creek and pulls into the stadium area. Before Mr. Obama exits the bus, he has the Secret Service get off and tell all Law Enforcement personnel in uniform that they now have to stand behind the bus so Mr. Obama is not seen with anyone in a Law Enforcement uniform before he gets off or while in the public view. So, everyone from Michigan State Police, Sheriff's Deptments and other agencies look at each other for a brief second, go and stand behind the bus out of sight so Mr. Obama does not have to see, or been seen with, what obviously to him is 'undesirables' since he refuses to be seen or even acknowledge Military or Law Enforcement personnel in uniform. And he wants to be our commander-in-chief!


At a time of war and terrorism in our world, this presidential candidate who is being protected by various branches of the military & law enforcement at the tax payers expense, refuses to acknowledge, be seen with, have in his photographed background, any type of Military or Law Enforcement in uniform.


But this is not in the headlines or in the news or on TV. The TV news doesn't show us marching around behind the bus. In the future, look and see if you can see a single soldier or police officer in uniform when you see Obama. Why? I wonder what the story or media frenzy would be if it was Muslims, blacks, whites, Jews, or any other race, gender, religon, and/or occupation, that Mr. Obama refused to be seen with or have around him.


Why would I make this up? Everyone in Law Enforcement knows we have traditionally had more funding under Democrats.


Just food for thought leading up to November 4th.


Jason Kern

Michigan Tactical Officer's Association

Michigan State Police

Executive Board Member
****************

one thing I have found so far is this:
http://www.mtoa.org/obama.php

09/29/2008



As the President of the Michigan Tactical Officers Association, I send you my sincerest apology for any misunderstandings of Officer Jason Kern's email may have caused. Officer Kern's comments are in no way a representation of the Michigan Tactical Officers Association. The MTOA is a non-profit organization that provides training and resources to the tactical community in Michigan. We do NOT get involved in politics.



I was not in attendance at the event in question and can not speak about what transpired there. The MTOA does not get involved in politics; we had absolutely no representation at that event, or any other political rally. Officer Kern was on-scene at the event representing the police agency he is employed with; he was NOT representing the MTOA.



The email in question was NOT an official MTOA correspondence.



Timothy Liess
President
Michigan Tactical Officers Association


I'm still digging for info, but love some help from DU :hi:

[Bicoastal]

1. Aw, JESUS!

You get no help from me. x(

[RevolutionStartsNow]

2. WTF? nt

[Tesibria]

3. PLEASE SEND ALL THESE E-MAILS to [e-mail]

send them all, every one, even if they're dupes.

That helps Team Obama know what's "heating up" behind the ethernet, and, when they have a response, you'll get a proposed "email response" from them to forward on.

[e-mail]

[Maine-ah]

9. thankyou emailing right now

[Trajan]

4. It doesnt pass the smell test ...

Obama is, above all, a very reasonable and intelligent man .... He does not oppose Police Officers, or military personnel, in ANY way ....

It is a desperate attempt by desperate partisans to paint their opponent as an extreme 'pig hating' liberal .... It is farcical ... It is a lie .... It does not match what we know of this man ...

I mean: Police PROTECT him ...... The Secret Service SURROUND him every hour of the day ....

Knowing what we know of him: Why the FUCK would he go against that ?

It is completely false ...

[parasim]

5. As this is the second time I've seen something like this today...

it seems that it is a concerted effort to smear Obama on this issue.

I would suggest you go to fightthesmears.com and send and email to [e-mail] and see how they respond. I've not yet looked on the site to see if they have responded to these charges, but I assume that they would in the due course.

[Swede]

6. Yeah,Obama realises police officers and their families don't vote,don't phone,

and keep quiet when stuff like this happens.

[HughMoran]

7. You'd think people would catch on

These emails are shit. Shit on a stick. Shit on a platter.

[AvaMae]

8. Not logical

Brack Obama, his children, his relatives, his home, his office, his person, plane and
even some of his campaign headquarters receive extra special detail due to threats.

I do not believe he shuns or avoids or refuses to be seen with any uniformed personnel.

I suspect someone is lacking attention.

[Contrary1]

10. On DailyKos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/5/203913/5164/425/588428

[Maine-ah]

13. just found that too

:hi:

[Contrary1]

16. More: Bogus campaign e-mails heat up

"On Monday, three separate e-mails suggested the unanticipated revival of a month-old attack on Sen. Barack Obama. This one is the alleged product of a Michigan police officer, claiming to be eyewitness to Obama's aversion to men in uniform: The e-mail recalls an August campaign stop in Battle Creek, when Obama supposedly instructed his Secret Service detail to keep uniformed law enforcement personnel behind the bus -- ostensibly so the candidate doesn't appear with anyone in uniform.

Because it's signed by an "executive board" member of the Michigan Tactical Officers Association, it looks really official. That's a group of SWAT team members.

As it turns out, the e-mail's author subsequently acknowledged he wasn't on the scene. The Michigan Tactical Officers Association posted its own distancing statement.

The Obama campaign is happy to send photos of the candidate shaking hands with police officers.

And Detroit News political reporter Gordon Trowbridge reported that Battle Creek Police Cmdr. James Saylor, who was at the Battle Creek appearance, called the e-mailer's claims "wholeheartedly an untruth."

The Michigan Tactical Officers Association's president disavowed the letter, and Trowbridge found no evidence that the claims were true. Even the author of the e-mail told Trowbridge that he hadn't been at the scene. (He didn't respond to my e-mail on Monday."

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081021/OPINION03/810210381/1031

[lastliberalintexas]

26. So did he lose his job?

He uses his official position to send out a partisan political email for which he has no personal knowledge. Yeah, a Democrat would still be employed in a similar situation. :eyes:

[Union Thug]

11. More desperate words from petty desperate people. n/t

[Historic NY]

12. HeY Timothy Liess if you can't control what your members post then resign.

To Timothy Liess,President Michigan Tactical Officers Association

first off I don't care if you elite or not cops are cops so your title and organization means shit to me brother. I hope you know that your asshat member brings great distain to you and your Union. Trust me I'm a 31 yr police union member.I guess Michigan police don't need any Federal funds to survive. You better make sure Jason Kern has a desk job now or no job because he is biased and has a attitude that is a threat to the next President of the United States. Secret Service are you listening..you probably are. Perhaps he is more suited to working for the KGB, or the DDR. He should not be out there handling weapons especially when the next POTUS is in the immediate area.

people know who I am or can figure it out

Note I sent the above a little note also.

[Sebastian Doyle]

14. So Obama's never pictured with anyone in uniform, right?

Took me about two minutes to find all of those.

Next..... :boring:

[Maine-ah]

17. I've been googling for pics

thankyou!

my searches kept coming back with some fucking stupid stuff. What did you search under?

[Sebastian Doyle]

20. Just some simple two word searches

"Obama troops" "Obama police" "Obama firefighters" Admittedly, the police and firefighter pics are in shorter supply than the troops.

Guess the Freepers don't use Google. Probably think it's some "communist search engine"

[4lbs]

15. These pictures say different.

With the various police:




http://bp0.blogger.com/_T8Kwz9ax2Ew/Rc3sO_4e8gI/AAAAAAAAAC8/x71LiamjvRQ/s400/police+obama.jpg



US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) greets police officers from his motorcade before boarding his campaign plane in Springfield, August 23, 2008. REUTERS/Jim Young (UNITED STATES) US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN 2008 (USA)





With some soldiers:

[Sedona]

18. Milford NH

deleted gynormous image

[charlie]

19. Clinton wouldn't salute the Marines

or....

The Marines wouldn't salute him.

There are no new "foward this!" stories, only rehashes of the same old doggerel.

[kiva]

21. No. Just because we're concerned with stopping

these rumors about Obama does not mean we need to encourage these false rumors about President Clinton.

From Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/salute.asp

And from a site called Truth or Fiction (the claim they are non-partisan, though I don't know enough about them to verify that): http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/marinerespect.htm

The Marines At the White House Are Showing Respect for George W. Bush That They Did Not Show to President Clinton-Fiction!


bullet Summary of eRumor:
The eRumor claims that the Marines of the presidential "Marine One" helicopter are showing George W. Bush greater respect than they did Bill Clinton. It says that recently, the Marine who met the president as he stepped off the helicopter faced President Bush even as the president walked away...something that was not done during the previous presidency.
bullet The Truth:
Harry Levins of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch looked into this one and found it fiction.

In an article from March 10, 2001, he quotes a spokesperson from Marine Corps headquarters as flatly denying the eRumor. The spokesperson said the Marines assigned to the president's helicopter have a protocol for greeting the president and have used it equally for both Mr. Clinton and Mr. Bush. That is that the
The Marine at the bottom of the steps salutes the president. As soon as the salute is returned, the Marine does a right face to face the president's back. The Marine holds that position until the president "has moved a comfortable distance away."

Any Marines departing from that would not be disrespecting the man, but the presidency, and that would not be tolerated.

[Blasphemer]

24. I think the OP meant that they made up the same silly type of rumors about Clinton... nt

[charlie]

27. Thanks

That's just what I meant.

[kiva]

29. Sorry, I shouldn't have been so snippy.

Just tired of people who seem to think that bashing the last Democratic president will somehow help us elect the next (Democratic) president.

Again, sorry...:hi:

[charlie]

30. S'alright

No apologies needed. The gesture says you're a mensch though, so my thanks and HI in return :hi:

[matt819]

22. It's bogus

Found info on dailykos, I think. Search there. Or do a google search on jason kern. That will turn up the full story.

[adadem]

23. I have a pic of Obama with Calhoun

County sheriff officers taken that day in Battle Creek. I've already sent it to some law enforcement officers who had received the above email and sent inquiries to our county Dem Party.

[Ghost in the Machine]

25. Even if he did have them step away while he got out, it *could* be for photo op reasons

We *know* he has a lot of protection, but maybe he doesn't want to look like he's afraid or anything....

[bluedawg12]

28. Another desperate phony none sense issue -

on the other hand, dumbya used the military and officers in unform like one of Gen. Hooker's whores.

His fascisto rallies were getting so tedious.