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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:07 PM
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DUers need to focus MUCH more on election suppression; on close Senate races, & on NO on CA Prop 8
I understand that this may very well, or even likely, be the most decisively important election in a generation (the last one I suppose being the election of Reagan). Obama is a pragmatist in the FDR strain who I at least HOPE will not stab progressive politics and progressives in the back the way that Clinton did.

But after the Powell endorsement, I think that it's a reasonably safe political conclusion that the only way the Repukes could win the prez is by underhanded means. Two of the main ones, that I will discuss here, are (1) the W Administration concocts some kind of "security-and/or-terrorism crisis" as a hail mary game changer AND/or (2) that the ongoing election stealing and vote-suppression efforts succeed in reaching a massive scale (millions of votes in a multiplicity of states). About (1), I posted a DU poll which got 90 respondents in which 52% of the respondents thought such a maneuver likely, although w/only a little over two weeks left, it gets more and more suspect if the W does it, and at least somewhat less likely, as international crises often take a bit of time to manufacture. Interestingly, the POLES of opinion constituted the majority (52% thought it more than likely, while 31% thought it only a 0-10% chance). Only 16% were in the middle, where I was, with a view that the figure would probably be closer to 50% than to 10% likelihood. But it is declining, perhaps even moreso with the Powell endorsement mucking up the chances of such succeeding.

So the chances are not only that Obama will win, but win by at LEAST 5% of the national vote, unless there is TRULY massive voter suppression. The Obama campaign has more money than any in history, and more is piling in from those who are NOT political mavens. Remember that most money given to candidates is as an investment, not for reasons of conscience, and even if that is proportionately less true of Obama, the factor is still huge.

So in terms of voting suppression issues, I would give to groups like Common Cause, who are focused on it, and also not specifically identified with either major political party. I would very much try to earmark such donations FOR THAT PURPOSE in THIS NATIONAL ELECTION.

But both the investment donors and the great mass of those interested enough in politics, LIKE DUers who should be precisely the mavens who would know better are NOT donating nearly enough to the seven or so closest Senate races (MN,NC,OR,GA,KY,Alaska and Mississippi). (I am figuring that NM, CO, and VA are NOT terribly close at all, and NH appears increasingly leaning Dem). The number of these 7 contested races that the Democrats win will determine just how much an Obama Administration would be able to get through Congress, so they are crucial as has rarely been the case before.

It is VERY important to have a "close senate race" thermometer up next to the presidential one, something I would urge on the Administrators. But DUers can donate to these close races ourselves, as I've done with Al Franken so far. I suppose one can also donate to the DSCC, which I've also done.

Finally, there is the issue of prop 8 in CA. I know there are TONS of ballot measures, and many of them, like prop 8, are of top tier importance morally and in national power politics. But this one (vote NO on 8 to stop a Constitutional Amendment in CA banning gay marriage) is important not only for the crucial moral issues underlying it (equal rights, the whole shmear ...), but also because it isn't just ANOTHER measure on this nationally contested issue, but the BIG LUBOWSKY (California). It is also a key national test of importance, both in terms of power politics and in terms of media, for progressive politics especially in ballot measures generally. A victory here will encourage progressives both in the area of gay rights and in pursuing an host of other concerns in ballot measures nation-wide. A defeat would be a significant setback, as I am arguing, both for gay rights in particular and for progressive politics generally, INCLUDING but not limited to gay rights. This is in NO way to understate the importance of gay marriage rights, or the moral and ethical issues here (as on so many other progressive measures). But there is also a CRUCIAL strategic issue that DUers and progressives often don't like to think about, seeing something 'dirty' in thinking about strategy. DUers should FLOCK to donate to Prop 8, which I hear little about in the general area discussion arenae

This is not to undercut Obama efforts or promote complacency, but rather to suggest that the tunnel vision we see in the mainstream as on DU needs to be transcended, and transcended now.

Responders to this comment (plz K & R) could also suggest which groups and URLs are good for donating to these concerns, and WHY
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:11 PM
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1. *** MATCHING FUND CAMPAIGN through Sunday to defeat Prop 8 ******
NoOnProp8 ( http://www.noonprop8.com ) has a matching fund campaign through today (Sunday) that will DOUBLE any contribution made:

https://secure.ga4.org/01/unfair


PLEASE DUers, let's use the series of tubes to defeat this hateful proposition!
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 07:43 PM
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5. I wonder if you can put this in a separate thread.
Maybe Skinner might help?
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:17 PM
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7. I did. I put one in GD and one in GLBT.
Here's the link to GD:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4268649&mesg_id=4268649

Any help keeping it kicked would be much appreciated! :)
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:11 PM
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2. I decide what needs to be focused on here.
Not you.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 07:41 PM
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3. Kickety kick -- this post merits dozens of them!
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 07:43 PM
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4. "DUers should FLOCK to donate to Prop 8"
This is so important. Thank you for posting it.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 07:56 PM
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6. Great post, and recommended
While an Obama victory seems more and more likely, I can also imagine us sitting staring at our keyboards in stunned silence while McCain "wins", due to voter suppression. I was in OH in 2004, and I saw it. Not outright vote stealing, but may just as well have been, for the effect it had. There are many many ways to muck up an election and I think there's agreement here that the GOP is ready, willing and able to intefere with the democratic process if it helps their cause.

It's also very possible that they will give up on McCain and turn to those close Senate races, to ensure that the Dems don't get a filibuster-proof majority. Anyone in a state with a close and pivotal congressional election should be paying close attention, as well as helping in whatever way they can.

And of course, Prop 8. This one is close to my heart because I live in CA and I am seeing the Yes on 8 campaign in action. It's DISGUSTING. An Obama win in California is assured, but defeating Prop 8 is not. I dontated (and I have a cool No on 8 sign in my yard), but that's not enough; we have to make sure that those who oppose 8 GO TO THE POLLS. There seems to be complacency about this one, and I don't know how to change that to a sense of urgency. Certainly the Yes on 8 campaign is better funded and noisier; I'd hate to lose because we didn't try.

Thanks for posting this OP.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:47 PM
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8. NOT just anyone IN a state w/a close Senate election -- ALL OF US EVERYWHERE need to DONATE!!!!!!
The whole point is that here at DU, at this point, those three issues -- voter suppression (the only way the GOP could "win" the presidential election) together w/Prop 8 and the close Senate races should get more attention than, say, Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber combined
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:53 PM
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9. Oh god the Yes on 8 people have been out in full force lately.
:puke:
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 08:48 AM
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10. I hear that the Mormon Church is putting many MILLIONS into the campaign
They recognize its political importance (not just for their religious beliefs but in power politics, something the Latter Day Saints know a lot about) and so should progressives
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 10:34 AM
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11. Gee, I counted over 17 threads specifically on PREZ campaign on page 1 alone and ...
this post is an attempt to focus on ALL the other most important election issues, including the ONE issue (voter suppression and disenfranchisement) that is the ONLY way McCain could win (possibly w/a little help from an international crisis being cooked up).
In other words, in this NON-PRESIDENTIAL election forum, there's 10x more discussion of the presidential election than of ALL THE OTHER ELECTIONS COMBINED

This is itself another example of tunnel vision
The RW understands well that they will most likely have to rely in these elections on those OTHER than the presidential; they recognize the importance & so should we!
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 10:42 AM
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12. The Washington State governors race needs to be on this list as well
The sleaze campaigns from Rossi himself, and the "Repuke Governors Association" on his behalf are some of the most vile shit I've ever seen in a political ad...

If you have a strong stomach, look at this shit: http://www.onherwatch.com/
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 12:07 PM
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13. A new blog about energy, the environment and the bottom line.
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