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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:07 AM
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If you want me to believe McCain and Palin were picked so they would lose .......
..... then I would also need to believe at least one of the following ..........

..... that all the GOP primary voters were in on it and they all kept quiet about the plan.

..... that Mitt and Rudy and Phred and Huckleberry and Ron and Tom and Duncan and the rest were all co conspirators and very happy to be seen as losers, effectively taking one for the team.

..... that, if it was set up by screwing around with the voting machines, no one protested or filed suit (refer back to my first postulation).

I'm sure any reasonable person can add to this list.

No, I don't think we will win this contest by lack of competition by having gone up against the B team. I think we will win it because we have the candidate that is the new face of New America.

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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:27 AM
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1. I don't believe they were picked SO they would lose, but...
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 08:28 AM by MarianJack
...I DO believe that if the RNC had any realistic notion that this election were winnable, they would never have allowed a McSame nomination and a VP pick that was so totally irresponsible.

I see it as comparable to the dole nomination in 1996. The idea of letting the old guy take the beating so nobody with a genuine future in presidential politics would be blemished by a loss (especially a wide loss).

I think that the RNC has been surprised by the passion that Palin(comparison) has raised among their racist and extremist base. I do believe that a Palin(comparison) nomination for president in 2012 would be a concession of the election.

PEACE!
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:54 AM
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2. I think the problem was an ideological corner and bad strategy.
When Obama made his joke at the Smith dinner about that "tough primary" John McCain had, he had a real point. That "cross-dresser", and the plastic Mormon spent a lot of money to get nowhere, and Mike Huckabee just couldn't get people to see him as conservative enough. Fred Thompson couldn't convince people he had a pulse.

No, McCain really was picked by GOP voters, in spite of a campaign that even from its start was sloppy, and had a message problem for a "change" year. (If somebody was running in the Dem primary with a campaign like McCain's, he or she would not make it out of February alive.)He did it by proving to the base that he was strong on foreign policy--after all, he was "right" about the surge, wasn't he? And he was like Bush. Except for when he wasn't. Let's face it, they had to pick "somebody."

The long Democratic primary handed the McCain campaign a chance to mess themselves up by tempting them into two fateful decisions: running to the right against a centrist (the "Most Liberal" tag really is meaningless, and most people figured that out) against what should have been seen as McCain's strengths in order to hold onto the conservative base and going negative early. The problem with going negative early is that it's not retractable: if you think something's a big enough deal to make an issue of, even if it's a loser for you or based on a lie, how do you turn around and go, "Oh...nevermind." Take his negative line on Obama's late-term abortion vote in the last debate--it was an unreasonable smear, and McCain had to know it. So when Obama brought up the perfectly reasonable concern about the life and health of the mother, to continue to keep the smear alive, McCain had "scare air"-quoted the word "health" and voiced an opinion (running to the right) that even makes many pro-life voters really uncomfortable and demeans women. To keep the Ayers smear alive, he now has to get into that creepy Red-baiting, who's a "real American" place. It's not pretty, and it's hard to reverse once you've put it out there. It's like trying to suck back in a fart.

McCain's chances would be better if he had run on, get this, being a better candidate, instead of trying to show Obama was worse. He could have stayed on the Straight Talk Express, talked about his own story and convictions in a sincere way, and schmoozed with the media. The media likes that. Instead, because his campaign went negative and had to go into ideological places to the right of where most people are, the disconnect meant less meaningful, comfortable dialogue with the press, and then came Sarah.

Sarah, Sarah, Sarah.

He and his campaign still weren't convinced that the "values voters" part of the base would come out for him. The pick was born out of overestimating how many of them there are, I think, and underestimating his own ability to get them to vote Republican just out of habit. And he just didn't realize how alienating this would be to intellectual conservatives and people who've been around a long time. That groan from the dissenters in his own party was the death rattle of his campaign. They aren't the people who make the most noise--but they are the best part of what remains of conservatism post-Bush, because what is left is Limbaugh-land. Each move took him to The Corner. (And not even all the gang at the Corner can quite handle Palin :).)

Each strategic move had a degree of committment that could not be pulled out of--running to appease the base, going negative, picking a running mate who doesn't appear to have been vetted and whose appeal is limited, and then, appealing to something exclusionary and fearful with the Obama/terrorist link. He went to Culture War without an exit strategy. And he's going to Class War without one, as well. (Seems an interesting parallel to a certain foreign policy strategy, huh?)

No, no conspiracy. The lousy campaign was, sadly, all McCain.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:59 AM
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3. Romney dropped out very suddenly, really before it was time.
I remember being surprised at the time. It's possible that the repubs wanted to try to unify early, I think somebody told him that it would be in his best interest to drop out, for whatever reason.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:00 AM
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4. No - I just think the GOP sees the writing on the wall right now
Why waste money on a campaign they simply can't win?

Their form of cheating only helps in close races. This will not be a close race.

They are gearing up for 2012.

My guess is they will resurrect Romney.
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:02 AM
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5. Nope, no conspiracy, but beyond pathetic
What were the Repubs thinking? Faced with running against a youthful, charismatic, eloquent Obama, they couldn't come up with anybody better than McCain/Palin? If that's the best they have to offer, after eight years in office, their party is dead. It is a bit hard to believe, until I remember that we're talking about Republicans...
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:02 AM
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6. Well, what about those that say he was picked because it was "his time"?
Same rules apply?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:05 AM
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7. I just can't get my head around how they ended up being the ticket
And I don't want to start talking like it's over because we shouldn't get complacent, but COME ON! Although I thought the same thing in 2000 when I couldn't believe that a one term President's idiot son beat out John McCain for the nom, and little W managed to all but destroy our country in 8 years. I think a McCain Presidency if it happened/happens will basically be just another puppet regime of Cheney and whoever pulls his strings.
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