It's infuriating listening to Matthews intellectualize the lies about Ayers without correcting them

[bigtree]

Specifically. the lie that Obama began his campaign in Bill Ayers' LIVING ROOM. It's an outright lie, but he's letting his republican guest get away with expanding on the point about some 'close' relationship with Ayers. Now he's allowing her to raise Wright and some other man and just questioning her about how it might or should impact votes. This is completely irresponsible.

[sandnsea]

1. He's letting her show her stupidity and ignorance

We need a lot more of this. We need all the racist garbage compiled in one spot too.

[bigtree]

3. oh, I like his drift

I just wish he'd lay out FACTS. He has access to them . It's irresponsible to not directly correct these lies when they're spoken.

[sandnsea]

8. Stephanie Cutter just did

He knew she was coming up, he did great.

Now donate to Elwyn Tinklenberg

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[bigtree]

10. ten minutes in he allows someone else to correct the lies?

he's not doing his job. The intellectual stuff is lost on most folks

[janethussein]

2. Yes and I'd Like To

kick his fuckin ass right now.

I would kick him in the balls too but he obviously doesn't have any. Can't stand up to that bitch from Minnesota who is lying her ugly ass off.

[bigtree]

9. he's trying to make some intellectual point which is lost on most viewers

. . . who are inclined to believe the lies. The reason they are still able to repeat them is that they aren't directly confronted and corrected when they spout them. This intellectualizing is just infuriating, isn't it? Ten minutes goes by without the truth.

[tandot]

4. He wanted to show how reprehensible and out of the mainstream these idiots are

Stephanie Cutter has a chance to talk about it now

[bigtree]

6. not one has corrected the lies

Okay, 10 minutes in our campaign rep does

[guitar man]

5. why doesn't he bring up AIP?

what could be more anti-American than a bunch of secessionists?? :shrug:

[bigtree]

7. or G. Gordon Liddy?

[guitar man]

11. exactly

they have somehow engineered anything on the left to be "anti-american" and anything on the right to be "pro-american". Dangerous thinking, very dangerous....

[bigtree]

12. Obama's formal kick-off to announce his run for state senate was at the Hyde Park Ramada Inn

from Lynn Sweet at the Chicago Tribune: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/ayers_alone_did_not_launch_oba.html


*Obama's formal kick-off to announce his run for state senate was at the Hyde Park Ramada Inn on Sept. 19, 1995. Obama was introduced by Palmer in a room filled with supporters at the Ramada, fronting Lake Michigan on South Lake Shore Drive, a stroll from the Museum of Science and Industry.

*Around this time, Obama started to attend a series of coffees in the Hyde Park community where he lived, standard operating procedure for political rookies running in the neighborhoods surrounding the University of Chicago.

"I was certainly (hosting) one of the first," said Rabbi Arnold Jacob Wolf, rabbi emeritus at Chicago's KAM Isaiah Israel--located across the street from the Obama home.

"There were several every week," he recalled on Tuesday night when we spoke. "I remember what I said to him: 'Someday you are going to be vice president of the United States.' He laughed and said, 'Why not president?'''

*The Ackermans, Sam and Martha, longtime Hyde Park activists in independent Democratic politics, also held an early event for Obama in their condo on E. Hyde Park Boulevard. (They have since divorced.)

Sam Ackerman told me Tuesday when we exchanged e-mails that "as I recall, the event at Bill Ayers' house (prior to ours) was a fund-raiser for Alice's congressional campaign at which she also introduced Barack as the successor she would like to see elected."

If Ackerman's recollection is correct--that the event at Ayers home was really for Palmer and Obama just piggy backed on it--then any argument that the Obama's political career was launched in the Ayers home is moot.

[sattahipdeep]

13. Loading.

Load Your Guns :patriot:

[gratuitous]

14. Okay, new rule about William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright

No conversations about them without them. Tweety and the rest of the talking chuckleheads can't discuss these men and their views unless they're right there, in the room, to answer for themselves.

Or would that defeat the whole junior high school quality of this "debate"?

[bigtree]

16. most of the the talking heads wouldn't have much to say to these men's faces

most are as cowardly as the demagogues they give a platform.

[sattahipdeep]

15. Busted!

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