Remember the dragging death in Jasper? It happened again. Where is the media?

[Horse with no Name]

http://theparisnews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=73e42573571aa62d

>>>>snip
The New Black Panther Party has announced it has begun an investigation of its own into the death of Brandon McClelland in Paris and wants the crime tried as a hate crime.

McClelland’s body was found on FM 2648 in the early morning hours of Tuesday, Sept. 16.

Investigators first thought it was a hit-run accident, but later determined the body apparently had been dragged by the vehicle.

>>>snip
“We were called to Paris by the family of Brandon McClelland, who was brutally murdered on Sept. 16,” Darrin X said. “We came down to do our own investigation, and we can confirm one of the suspects, Shannon Finley, has connections to the Aryan Nation. We want to get the highest punishment possible for the crime.”

[Horse with no Name]

1. kick.

Maybe this is why the MSM doesn't pick it up.
I guess people really don't care that young Black men are being dragged behind cars and killed.:shrug:

[Solly Mack]

2. Got another link? The story is gone. Thanks!!

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[Horse with no Name]

3. The link is good Solly.

For the past couple of days that message has been appearing. Refresh and it should come back.:)

[Solly Mack]

7. Okies!!! I'll keep trying!!

It's back!!!! Gonna get a screen shot of it!!!

[Catherine Vincent]

4. Horrible news.....again.

Is Paris in East Texas?

[Horse with no Name]

5. Yes.

Same place that sent that young (Black) girl to prison for allegedly pushing her teacher.:(

[HEyHEY]

6. Where is the media?

Here

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-pariskilling,0,977683.story

Here

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-parisdeath_01tex.ART.State.Edition1.26ce4e2.html

Here

http://www.kxii.com/news/headlines/29754009.html

maybe look around....

[Horse with no Name]

8. Okay

Dallas is hardly the "MSM" and is almost considered local.
The Sherman TV Station (KXII) is local.
The Chicago Tribune took a special interest in Paris last year when THEY cracked open the Cotton case.
>>>snip
Paris' race relations came under withering national scrutiny last year after the Tribune reported the case of Shaquanda Cotton, a 14-year-old African-American youth who was sentenced by a local judge to up to seven years in a youth prison for shoving a hall monitor at her high school. Just three months earlier, the same judge had sentenced a 14-year-old white girl to probation after convicting her of the more serious crime of arson for burning down her family's house.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-pariskilling,0,977683.story

Hardly an unbiased representative there.

[HEyHEY]

11. Unless the police say it's a hate crime, or someone proves they're wrong

The media can't just go blowing up and screaming hate crime. If someone proves it was, or the cops change their story and say it was.... then you'll see the national coverage.

[Horse with no Name]

13. ....

Have a nice day.

[HEyHEY]

15. Dude, the media can't go screaming "HATE CRIME!" With no proof

That doesn't mean they aren't looking for proof, they just don't have it now. Fuck, all you people want is irresponsible reporting that suits YOUR needs.

[Sebastian Doyle]

14. This is Texas. No way in Hell they'll call it a hate crime.

The guy who was governor when James Byrd was murdered saw to that.

And we all know who that piece of shit was. :puke:

http://www.ontheissues.org/2004/George_W__Bush_Crime.htm

[HEyHEY]

16. Then that will come out, eventually, but knocking the media before it has proof?

That's just silly.

[tavalon]

22. I see you're from where I want to eventually be from

but before that and before where I'm from now, I was from Texas. Trust me when I say we need to scream early and often and especially about places like Paris, Texas, because the "officials" really will try to cover it up. That state is really like a whole other country, a third world country.

[flstci]

39. You have proof of that I'm sure.

Possibly some links that will prove Texas is a 3rd world country?

[tavalon]

40. Lived there for over 20 years. Saw first hand

[JonQ]

31. Two of the three were exectuted

the other was sentenced to life in prison in the byrd murder case. I'd say that was sufficient punishment (maybe you could make a case that the third one should have likewise been executed, but I assume they had a reason for giving him a lighter sentence). I'm not sure what hate crime legislature would have done? Maybe execute them twice? Execute them, then publicly mutilate the bodies? Seriously, you can't really legally punish a person any worse than executing them.

[flstci]

38. IF this was a hate crime

it will be handled as it should be. Texas is not some bastion of free racial hostilities.

[JonQ]

41. Didn't you hear?

Apparently all we do in Texas is lynch minorities and get away with it.

[Horse with no Name]

9. More info

McClelland was walking in front of the pickup when Finley, 27, and a friend, Charles Ryan Crostley, 27, who was also arrested, allegedly ran him down and then dragged him 40 feet along the road until his mutilated body popped out from beneath the chassis, according to a police affidavit accompanying the warrant for Finley's arrest.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-pariskilling,0,977683.story

[Zhade]

10. Hell, where are the DUers?!

This is horrifying.

[HEyHEY]

12. From those stories it doesn't sound hate related yet.

[SidneyCarton]

17. If this wasn't a hate crime...

Then the driver is a sociopathic monster. He must be investigated, and if provable, convicted and punished to the maximum degree by the law.

Hate crime or not, such an act cannot go unanswered.

[lonestarnot]

18. Damn it! Savages!

[Horse with no Name]

19. Another kick before bed. n/t

[susanbanks44]

20. They arrested 2 suspects

"At this point, there is no evidence that this was a hate crime," said District Attorney Gary Young. "If anyone has information about that, we would encourage them to call us or law enforcement."

From:



http://www.kauz.com/news/local/30017989.html

[Seldona]

21. K&R

Who would live in a place that wouldn't call this a hatecrime?

[RadicalTexan]

27. People who were born there and are too poor to leave

Including my 59-year-old mother. Who, incidentally, despite working for 40 years, has no health insurance, no savings, and no retirement.

Obama/Biden 08.

[Duncan Grant]

23. The coverage in the Chicago Tribune is comprehensive. The comments section will sicken you.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-pariskilling,0,977683.story

I'm stunned -- I cannot articulate the depth of my outrage and horror.

[amber_86]

24. Did they say that right

That isn't a hate crime. I'm sorry I think it was a hate crime, two white guys and one black man what do u call that a hate crime.

[RadicalTexan]

28. That doesn't make it a hate crime

It probably is a hate crime, but I agree with previous posters that the criminal justice system cannot treat it as a hate crime just because the murderers were white and the victim was black. There has to be evidence of intent.

Regardless, I hope they rot in jail.

[wvbygod]

25. The black panthers are calling for the death penalty in this case

Maybe they should have a trial first?

[RadicalTexan]

26. I am from Paris, Texas

Born and raised there, left as soon as I could at age 17.

And, yes, it's in East Texas. It's on the edge geographically, between East Texas and the Northeast Texas Praries region, but it's culturally the same as Louisiana.

I think the Cotton case was distorted, and that the Texas juvenile justice system (which is http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/6034683.html">infamously fucked up at the moment) was more to blame than the local law enforcement and prosecutor (who I know tangentially). I feel that Shaquanda Cotton was treated unfairly by both the juvenile justice system and by her mother.

I don't think the justice system in Lamar County, Texas is officially or institutionally racist; HOWEVER, I think most of the white people (and a minority of the black people) who live there ARE racist, which means the criminal justice system must be, also. Law enforcement officers are likely to be racist, letting white "good ole boys" off with a slap on the wrist while throwing the book at blacks who commit, or even appear to be involved in, similar crimes. Juries are certainly racist.

The town is largely segregated, with blacks and poor whites living on the "West Side" while affluent, "Christian," white, Bush-supporters live in other neighborhoods. There is one old, badly stocked grocery store on the West Side, and several large, modern, well-stocked ones on the East Side. When I was in high school there 12-15 years ago, our school was integrated in sports and some extracurricular activities, but there was little to no interracial dating or other socializing. Churches are segregated (with the possible exception of the Catholic church, which has a more diverse membership including most of the now-growing Hispanic community, and a few Protestant churches who have evangelical Hispanic membership). My own relatives for the most part will not consider voting for Barack Obama because he's black, a Muslim, and a communist (HA!). One of them recently told me that Michelle Obama "is racist against white people," "thinks she's really something," and "is really just a blue-gum." They're Palin's base.

I despair over the harm this will do the tenuous goodwill between blacks and whites in my hometown, and because of the unnecessary and unfair portrayal the decent, non-racist, often Yellow Dog Democrat white folks in town. But I despair a million times more for the life lost, and the barely-concealed, and impossible-to-contain hatred that seethes in the ignorant minds of so many of my relatives and former neighbors. I hope THEY get all the portrayal the media can stomach.

I'm white, and I support the action of the New Black Panther Party in this instance.




Edited for spelling.

[annabanana]

29. Thank you for posting this. It always helps when we have

a better understanding of the surroundings..

[druidity33]

33. thank you

for taking the time to help us understand the place better.

I, for one, appreciate getting an insider's perspective as well as the time it takes to really try and write something down that explains or describes in depth.

Cheers.

[Horse with no Name]

30. FWIW...I don't live far from Paris and I totally agree with the assessment of the former resident

who is posting on this same thread.
However...there is a growing sentiment in this town that is violently racist. Sociologically, it is typical when you have towns with jobs that are dying off and resentments over "entitlements" and the perceived unfair disbursement of such.
I have seen a direct correlation with the increase in racist sentiments since the Katrina disaster.
If you have any questions about it...take time to peruse the comments on the Paris Topix.
Many of them are anti-Black, anti-Obama (strictly because he is Black), etc.
It is definitely sickening.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/paris-tx

[RadicalTexan]

35. Yes

I haven't lived there in more than eleven years (thank Darwin), and when I go back I am always shocked at how backwards it seems to me, even compared to Austin, never mind Europe.

I totally agree with Jim Webb about poor white Southern resentment at entitlement programs for blacks - these two historically disadvantaged and maligned groups should get together and overthrow the white, petty, affluent, religiously pretentious, propertied class who have always really controlled things. But they are all too caught up in their mutual hatred to get organized, and I don't think rallies by the New Black Panther Party will really help that. I was called racist names on the playground by black classmates, particularly during PE. But I don't think all black people are represented by a few mean kids, and I don't think all black people are represented by the Black Panthers, and I don't think all black people are represented by Barack Obama. Likewise, I don't think all white people are represented by the KKK or Chimpy McSmirk. I just wish more people would grow up, realize the historical political forces at work, and form meaningful community associations across color (and socioeconomic and denominational) lines in places like Paris. I'd like to see the New Black Panther Party register voters, help create workable community organizations, provide support for our local schools, and get involved in social reconciliation. But, still, in this situation, because of the possible (probable) hate crime involved, I support them, broadly.

I could go on and on. Point is, not every rural white Southern is a clamoring knuckle-dragging racist - I am proof of that - but it's so, so complicated. Maybe I should've stayed there and tried to make a difference. But I wanted to see a wider world, and having lived in it, can never imagine going back there. I wish all the little kids there, especially the poor kids, and especially the poor black kids, had the opportunity I did, to go somewhere bigger, somewhere with a bigger outlook; to get a college education; to travel. If I had any money, I'd fund scholarships and travel opportunities for these kids.

Anyway, I can't wait for, when Obama is president and I go home for Christmas, and these weirdos are bitching about how he's a "socialist" (ha ha ha) - and I will say, "If you don't like it, you can move to Saudi Arabia!"

[live love laugh]

32. Aryan Nation? Somebody should call Todd Palin maybe he has some info. nt

[DemoTex]

34. The Jasper Texas victim James Byrd and Gov. G.W. Bu$h

James Byrd, Jr., was dragged behind a pickup truck in 1998 by Shawn Allen Berry, Lawrence Russell Brewer, and John William King. James Byrd, an African American man was murdered by these white men. This was a murder fueled by East Texas nitro: liquor and racial hatred.

All of Texas needed a healing, but citing a prior commitment, Gov. Bush declined to appear at Byrd's funeral. James Byrd's sister appealed to then-governor George W. Bu$h to support a hate crimes bill. Bu$h refused .. TO HER FACE!

Ironically, after Governor Rick "Goodhair" Perry ("Goodhair": thank you Molly Ivins!) inherited the rest of George W. Bush's unexpired term, the 77th Texas Legislature passed the James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Act on May 11, 2001. By then, the "compassionate conservative" George W. Bu$h was the President of the United States. It has gone downhill from there.

[JonQ]

37. I posted this before

but it seems to be relevant here as well. The two instigators were executed, the third sentenced to life in prison. How would a hate crimes bill have made any difference? Once they're executed that's it, you can't punish them further. So how is bringing up the lack of hate crime legislature being used to sentence the men relevant? It's not as if they got off.

And in this case, what if it could be proven race had nothing to do with it, the guy decided to murder the first person he saw that day who just happened to be black? It wouldn't be a hate crime, would it be less of a crime then? Would he deserve less of a punishment? What if the victim had been white, would that be less of a tragedy, less of a crime?

I'd say execute or imprison for life anyone who intentionally commits a murder regardless of what they were thinking at the time.

[tom_paine]

36. In Bush's Amerika, aryans nations is a loose ally of the Imperials, and will be left alone.

It wouldn't surprise me if Negroponte is assmebling his usual cast of RW Death Squads for use hee in the Fatherland.

Wouldn't surprise me a bit if they were already assembling and training...like Infragard (Google that if you haven't heard of it yet)