Anyone as HAPPY as I am about OJ going to Freaking JAIL?

[maseman]

I have always believed int he karma stuff...what goes around comes around. I think this asshole deserves every minute of whatever jail sentence and am ecstatic he is going into the clink.

Kick if you agree!

[Bicoastal]

1. I do think he took advantage of racial disunity in this county, especially in Los Angeles...

...only a few years after the Riots.

[bobd0]

2. Nope.

[maseman]

6. So you are not happy he is going to jail?

Why?

[bobd0]

8. See link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4168108

[maseman]

13. Not good enough for white America?

I was the University of Akron in a Communications Law class when the verdict was read. Since it was a law class we all went around the room and had 2 minutes to argue the case either way. We did it the morning of the verdict. There were about 10 whites and 5 blacks in that classroom. It was unanimous in decision. It wasn't a white or black thing.

In addition...he just committed a crime so he deserves to go to jail for that also.

[bobd0]

30. No, not good enough for white America

I was in a tractor-trailer on a P&D run when I heard the verdict. I saw a few dozen people that day. Almost to a person, whites were driven to near madness by the verdict. Blacks exhibited a mostly silent satisfaction because expressing their approval of the verdict would have meant dealing with all those insane whites -- and black Americans have had more than enough of that over the years.

I hope OJ's lawyers get the verdict reversed on appeal and walks out a free man just so I can watch white America reach near madness over a case they wouldn't even pay attention to if the racial aspects were reversed.

[earth mom]

38. Dude, even Oprah & Obama think OJ is guilty. Get real-this is NOT about race.

:eyes:

[amdezurik]

32. LA decided to try to frame a guilty man and they lost

Now in what way are you personally involved? And why are you so shallow to blame anybody except the LA County DA office for that?

[tom_paine]

44. Oh, horse crap. Any realistic claim to that argument was pretty much blown away by "If I Did It..."

But feel free to keep using it, even though it breaks down under the slightest scrutiny.

[amdezurik]

54. WHOOOSH is the sound of the point flying over you

The fact of his guilt is not the question. Now in your tiny world it seems that anyone accused is guilty and it is OK for the persecutors to use any means including faking evidence lying on the stand and hiding evidence to lock them up. LA deserved to lose that case because of all the shit they pulled.

[tom_paine]

74. Both wrong AND arrogant. Quite a combo you've got going there.

What kind of bullshit stawman of yours is THIS???

Now in your tiny world it seems that anyone accused is guilty and it is OK for the persecutors to use any means including faking evidence lying on the stand and hiding evidence to lock them up.

OK, if that's what's in your mind, fine. But it bears no resemblence to me.

Actually, and quite ironically given how fast and sharply you counterattacked, outisde of OJ and a few other cases, we are probably in 100% agreement on our disdain for people that think as you falsely ascribe to me in your starw man.

So, wrong about THAT. No, I absolutely do not believe even close to what you ascribe to me. You are wrong wrong WRONG.

And then there is this head-scrathcher The fact of his guilt is not the question.

So, you admit he is guilty but you're mad at the prosecutors for faking even more evidence in addition to the actual evidence which must have been there IF YOU THINK HE IS GUILTY?!?

I suppose, in a tortured way, that makes some crazy sense. They had him dead to rights, but they "pulled so much shit" anyway, eh?

Now, unlike you, I am not going to assert I know what is going on in your head, but I will ask, could you possibly mean that and think it relevant to this particular thread?

MY world tiny? How small does your mind have to be to come charging into a thread like this, guns blazing, about some rhetorical technicality (which I halfways am guessing is just a bullshit position for you to adopt because I backed you into a corner, since it is somewhat senseless - particularly as it pertains to this thread)?

Please feel free to pontification how I missed your "point", which if I am to believe your 2nd post is that prosecutors should stick to the real evidence of guilt when prosecuting a guilty person, not try to add fake evidence of guilt on top of the real evidence of guilt.

No wonder I missed your "point", it less resembles a position as it does a rhetorical construct designed to throw squid ink into the conversation. Pretty tortuous logic, if it is logic at work here.

But I will add this: I agree with you. Prosecutors SHOULDN'T add fake evidence of guilt to all the real evidence of guilt when going after a guilty person.

:rofl:

Amusing. What rhetorical pretzels will you twist yourself into now, I wonder? That last one was pretty pretzel-y. Contorted "logic", shall we say.

Now you are forced to re-elaborate. To get snotty and say I AGAIN didn't understand your "point". You've got nowhere else to go.

:rofl:

Then you are going have to reclarify into another rhetorical pretzel, but I am done detoxifying your rhetorical squid ink and untwisting your rhetorical pretzels. Amusing and entertaining, yes, but ultimately a waste of time.

You win. :rofl: After all, I agreed with your last rhetorical pretzel, didn't I?

Prosceutors SHOULDN'T add fake evdience to real evidence for known guilty parties. :rofl:

Oh my yes, I agree. Brilliant. :rofl:

[Lorentz]

77. Only on DU would there be people feeling OJ did not receive justice...

I shake my head at the sheer level of idiocy on this board displayed by some, thinking they're forming this deliciously intellectual argument that is too brilliant for others to grasp.

[rocktivity]

3. I was sure he'd skate on the kidnapping charges

since no one was forcibly removed from the hotel room. I'm glad the jury understood that the legal definition of kidnapping is broader than that. Here's the warrant.

:headbang:
rocknation

[YOY]

4. OJ proved one thing.

The only color in the US that really matters is green.

He doesn't have green anymore. He continues to prove it.

[Tallison]

7. Yes, race and class were conflated in that case

You wonder what the verdict would have been if either of those variables had been different.

[bobd0]

12. I know what the verdict would have been if variable had been different

If OJ was a white former sports superstar who married a black woman that was murdered and was then found innocent of her murder nothing would have happened. No indignation form the white community. No attempts by the criminal justice system to instigate a payback. Nothing.

[YOY]

14. Thanks to out media perhaps...they're to blame for the racial spin on things to the case.

But as to the "actual justice"? That's something that can be bought.

[bobd0]

31. The "media" is a microsom of our socitey. Our racism is their racism.

[Tallison]

40. On that count, we can agree n/t

[YOY]

55. No. They do what sells.

That's all they do.

[Tallison]

61. Which means providing what its audience demands

which is sort of the same thing. I agree with both of you.

[YOY]

75. True, but the motivation is different. The outcome is the same.

n.t.

[garlicmilkshake]

37. Bullshit. You are every bit as much of a racist as David Duke is.

:eyes:

[maseman]

9. That's a great point

Kind of like when Limbaugh got off on doing illegal prescription drugs and doctor shopping. You and I would have gone away for five to ten years.

[polmaven]

78. His race had nothing to do with it.

I would have gone away for 10 years too, and I am a white woman. Like another poster indicated, the only color that mattered there was green.

[cobalt1999]

5. I agree.

I'd like it more if he ends up knifed in prison, that would justice.

[wuushew]

19. Please think before you post

Violence in prison is nothing to be celebrated. If violence is prevalent among inmates then too can it be directed against employees, doctors and other people on the premises.


In addition they don't just make prisons for murderers, but rather incarcerate a wide range of felonies. Do all these people deserve the chance of serious injury or death?



The violent end you advocate in your post indirectly speaks ill of those who design and administer prisons.

[stillcool]

28. Maybe he'll get strung up..

poetic justice?

[bobd0]

42. You're use of that metaphor only signals to me the inherent racism in white America

Strung up? Why don't you just come out and say what you really mean?

LYNCHED.

That's always been white America's favorite brand of justice toward black men who dare associate with their pure white women, right?

Southern trees bear strange fruit,
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root,
Black bodies swinging in the southern breeze,
Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees.

Pastoral scene of the gallant south,
The bulging eyes and the twisted mouth,
Scent of magnolias, sweet and fresh,
Then the sudden smell of burning flesh.

Here is fruit for the crows to pluck,
For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck,
For the sun to rot, for the trees to drop,
Here is a strange and bitter crop.

I've read about lynchings. White families would bring their kids out and have a picnic lunch while watching the "entertainment". White entrepreneurs would sell body parts from those lynched as souvenirs -- ears, etc.

Great country, America. But you wouldn't know it unless you're having your picnic and not one of the human beings swinging from those trees.

Oh, and it isn't ancient history. Lynchings went on during The Civil Rights era as recently as the 1960's.

Be careful of your metaphors. There is too much history that white America would rather forget but apparently wouldn't mind repeating.

[stillcool]

66. I didn't think any more description was necessary...

I believe that everything about OJ is about race. Including hoping for his death.

[mitchum]

51. That's a really unfortunate choice of words

[stillcool]

68. It was an intentional choice of words..

I don't understand wishing death on anyone, but I find the entire OJ story to be loaded with racial undertones.

[mitchum]

70. My apologies...

yes, I do agree with your point that the entire story is loaded with racial undertones

[Lorien]

10. I lost interest in OJ 16 years ago. n/t

[elocs]

11. Maybe this was jury nullification of jury nullification.

I don't believe in karma. People who do stupid and bad things usually continue to do them until it catches up with them. Sometimes it never does, but karma enthusiasts are quick to point out when it appears to work while ignoring when it does not. It's kind of like how celebrities always die in 3s--that one always works.

[maseman]

15. Maybe you took me too literally

I don't believe in karma (or luck or prayer or afterlife or God.) I believe that in many cases people who do bad things do have it catch up with them. If you live a clean life you usually have good things happen. If you live a bad life you usually have bad things happen.

[elocs]

16. Could be. There are some, though, who believe karma is right there with gravity--

an irrefutable law of the universe and that whenever it works is proof that it works and when it doesn't work it just means that it hasn't happened yet.

[maseman]

23. Correct

I use the term very loosly. Kind of like "customer service."

[Fumesucker]

18. Dick Ctheney, GW Bush, Donald Rumsfeld...

What bad things do you foresee happening to these mass killers?

[maseman]

24. I can only fantasize

[polmaven]

80. Once again....

It is not because they are white...It is because they have lots of green.

[malaise]

17. When you see how the RNC tie this to Obama

I hope you're still happy.

Whether I thought OJ was guilty or not the first time is irrelevant. Apparently double jeopardy only works for some folks. Hiring the minute men to complete the job would have been as effective.

Fuck OJ and fuck injustice.

[maseman]

25. Umm...yeah OK.

[SmileyRose]

20. NO - I wish he'd gotten help long before he started attacking people.

I hate to see anyone thrown into a garbage can. He's going where he needs to go but I take no joy in it. His kids have been more or less orphans for years.

[Warpy]

21. I'm never exactly

happy to see anyone go to jail. However, he's shown himself to be a thug and a bully and the law finally caught up with him to the extent that his wealth and celebrity could no longer protect him.

Maybe with that sense of invulnerability gone, he'll modify his lousy behavior once he gets out. Maybe not. In any case, he's off the streets for a while.

[cali]

22. no. I could care less and I think the phrase "turd burglar" is homophobic

and disgusting.

[maseman]

26. From race to homophobic

So a heterosexual man cannot like anal sex with a women?

[maseman]

27. I think slicing and dicing your ex-wife is more disgusting by the way

[scarletwoman]

29. I'll reserve feeling "happy" about someone going to jail for those who actually have some impact on

my life, or on the lives of people I care about.

For example, I'd be EXTREMELY happy to see the entire *bush maladminstration go to jail, along with all their Wall Street and corporate conmen buddies. THAT would certainly be something to celebrate.

But some sick pathetic washed-up useless bozo? I really don't care, I have zero emotional investment in the fate of O.J. Simpson.

People reacting with unrestrained glee about the conviction of this utterly irrelevant man -- how sad, how pointless. But I guess that's why public exceutions have always been so popular throughout history, it gives the spectators such a delightful frisson of self-righteousness.

sw

[maseman]

34. We "DU" polls which is pointless in the grand scheme of things

But it makes us "feel" good to voice our thoughts.

Last time I checked that is what blogging is all about.

[scarletwoman]

41. You didn't get my point at all.

To feel "happy" about something demonstrates emotional investment. Why do people have an emotional investment in something so completely irrelevant to their own lives?

sw

[Tallison]

43. Because of empathy

A wonderful quality.

[scarletwoman]

53. Possibly, but I rather doubt it. The glee smacks more of vengefulness than empathy.

Howling lynch mobs don't come together out of "empathy" for the victim of whatever crime the lynchee allegedly perpetrated, they come together for the pure reptilian-brain pleasure of giving vent to their basest impulses.

sw

[Tallison]

57. I was answering generally to a general question

Now, whether that's the case among posters here, I don't know. There's perceived injustice among both OJ defenders and detractors posting in this thread. As political activists, we all derive satisfaction from the rectification of perceived injustice. If you disagree regarding the nature of the original injustice, that satisfaction appears vengeful. It's a difficult analyze this issue objectively, conflated as it is with race, class, and gender oppression.

[scarletwoman]

63. Well, I'm certainly not an OJ defender. The point of my original post is that I find his fate

completely irrelevant, therefore it does not inspire any sort of emotional response; like "happiness".

sw

[Tallison]

71. Oh, I wasn't insinuating you were

Just parsing the charged emotions his existence seems to inspire.

I'm saving my happiness for Nov. 4th.

:hi:

[maseman]

48. You spending time reading and typing is also an emotional

investment in something that probably means nothing overall to your life. Essentially the same thing as I did.

[scarletwoman]

60. I am commenting on human behavior because human behavior is relevant to all of us.

As a 7+ year member of this community (DU), I do have an investment in caring about how my fellow DUers behave.

sw

[maseman]

73. I get that point

I had a bried moment of hapiness this morning when I read the news. More because he was found guilty of a crime for doing something incredibly stupid in Las Vegas. But I still believe he was guilty of murdering his ex and her friend and I think that it serves him right to go away for awhile.

I'm not emotional to the point I am shutting down everything else on a Saturday and spending massive amounts of time on this. I was also happy this morning that my city's HS football team won last night.

[eShirl]

33. why are you using a slur against gays to describe a (non-gay) murderer?

or even using the slur at all, for that matter

[maseman]

35. I didn't know turd-burglar is a slur???

I thought I knew or heard most of them by now. I'll change the original post. Sorry if I offended anyoen with that.

[garlicmilkshake]

36. YES!!!!

:D
:kick:

[coalition_unwilling]

39. "Oh hell yeah!" were the first words

out of my wife's mouth upon hearing the question.

My wife is the victim of physical and emotional abuse at the hands of her ex.

I've heard -- maybe on Oprah? -- that spousal homicide is the #1 cause of premature death among American women. Any truth to that?

[Tallison]

45. I've heard that homicide's the leading cause of death among pregnant women

is maybe what you're referring to. Wouldn't surprise me to learn that it's the leading cause of premature death among women generally, too.

[Tutonic]

46. Set up. Just like the last 8 years. If you need to punish the man do

it the correct way. Have we burned the constitution yet. Don't set up kangaroo courts to ensnare the man. That's the problem with this country--history teaches us nothing. That's why we'll all be working in rice fields shortly. Stupid Americans.

[Tallison]

59. You know his white co-defendant was also convicted on all counts

Although his defense team blames guilt by association on that one.

It's a fucked up situation.

[Blu Dahlia]

69. So true. The entire case was a farce. eom

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

47. Hell Fuckin Yeah!!!!!!!

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[TreasonousBastard]

49. I can't imagine being "happy" for anyone going to jail...

particularly someone I don't know and have no connection with.

Prison is the last step in a tragic chain of events, and never a reason for celebration.

[Bill McBlueState]

50. I'm happy for a different reason

Finally, white people might stop whining about how their lives are so hard because OJ is free.

[Liberal_in_LA]

58. lol. Good point.

[scarletwoman]

65. Very good!

:thumbsup:

[old mark]

52. Mr Simpson seems to be a really evil,stupid and

arrogant man who treats people like shit and thinks laws do not apply to him. He may be a sociopath.
I do not believe putting convicted violent felons in prison is racist - I believe we all are better off with Mr Simpson in prison.

mark

[Tutonic]

64. Convicted violet felons? He was never convicted of being a violent

felon. How are we better off? Should this apply to Dick Cheney? He seems to be a sociopath? Howe about Hillary Clinton? Rush said years ago that she was one. How about Bill Clinton? He was disbarred. How about the guy down the street that eats a handful of grapes in the grocery store? He's a thief. How about Charile Rangel? Those pesky income taxes. John Edwards? He lied repeatedly to the American public. We used to be a nation of laws. Now we are a nation of words. Meaningless.

[polmaven]

82. As of yesterday

he HAS been convicted of being a violent felon!

[Jawja]

56. If he had really been out there

looking for the "real killer," perhaps he wouldn't have had time to worry about his memorabilia? :shrug:

[madokie]

62. Yes I am

I was recuperating from an inner ear injury that left me with no balance, severe vertigo and so I watched or better yet listened to the whole trial and I was in shock when they read that verdict. He was guilty of the murders of his wife and friend and it was so obvious to all watching or listening.

[Tutonic]

67. Not obvious enough to the jury. He was acquitted.

N/T

[maseman]

72. Guilty people are sometimes acquitted just like innocent people are

sometimes found guilty. These are all just opinions.

[Tutonic]

76. Too deep for me to comprehend.

[Sewsojm]

79. Agreed, I hope he Rots in Jail.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

81. Karma is not the purpose of a jury system

OJ Simpson's activities in Nevada should have absolutely no relationship to his previous actions for which a jury of his peers found him not guilty. There is absolutely no such thing as the status of being guilty in the court of public opinion. Public opinion is not a valid courtroom, thank God. The only reality with regard to guilt or innocence is the reality of the courtroom and the jury's decision. Our system of laws is supposed to be unbiased and without prejudice. A jury of our peers should never even remotely entertain the notion that retribution should be a factor in weighing whether someone's present actions render them culpable of a crime. We can't take the law into our own hands. Anyone who can't be neutral in that way deserves to be taken by the state and branded with a branding iron like an animal "ineligible for jury duty". I scarcely think such individuals should even live in a civilized society.

I have too much respect for the 5th Amendment's protection against double jeopardy, the 6th Amendment's right to trial by an IMPARTIAL jury, and the 14th Amendment's guarantee of due process to trash the U.S. Constitution by wanting OJ Simpson judged for anything else than what he did in Nevada.

[tomreedtoon]

83. I would like it...IF he will be punished, which he won't.

He is not going to be treated like a common criminal. He will undoubtedly go to one of those "country club" prisons, the kind of place they call Club Feds, basically a resort with barbed wire. His biggest complaint about treatment will be that they limit him to one bar of scented soap per day.

Unfortunately, in America, once you reach a certain level of fame and success, you can't fall too far below. Simpson might have learned something if he had the gay rape, constant terror and threat of real death that common inmates face every day. He won't. He'll go in, come out, write a book, and continue being the violent, conceited football jock bastard he always was.

And, in a parallel, the only way George Bush would get the punishment he deserved is if his plane crashed in some ugly part of the world and he was forced to fend for himself, like in the movie Escape from New York. Sadly, that movie was fantasy wish fulfillment.