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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:54 AM
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World Rank Order of Countries-- Current account balance
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 03:18 AM
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1. .....
:mad:
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 03:42 AM
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2. We're the world's financial giant!!1!
What's that "-" thingie in front of our hugh wealth???
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 03:52 AM
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3. I knew there was some reason why I couldn't sleep. n/t
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flor-de-jasmim Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 04:06 AM
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4. First, that was 2007, so our numbers are much worse. 2nd, Haiti is at position 120...not so bad
sigh...
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 04:19 AM
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5. Interesting.
Countries that were (or still are) in the Coalition of the Suckers are near the bottom (and, no, I didn't forget Poland).

The top country south of the United States is Venezuela at 19, then Argentina at 28, Chile at 29 with Brazil at 45.

Hell, they list Cuba at 57.


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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 04:33 AM
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6. China would have to bankrupt itself to buy out all our debt.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 04:37 AM
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7. The performance of the US is absolutely shameful. At that rate, the US will implode as a superpower.
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 04:39 AM by Selatius
Eventually, its credit will be so devastated that it wouldn't even be able to maintain troops in one foreign country, nevermind several continents as it currently does.
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Porschenut1066 Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 04:41 AM
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8. Notice all country's fighting WARS are in the RED but those not
fighting wars are in the BLACK. So what does this teach us.

If you want the money to provide for your citizens do as the founding fathers said and don't create a KING because if you do he will start wars just to prove what a man he is.

Bush has made a Kingdom out of his position. He thinks like a king, being appointed by God and being able to rule by decree and by executive order. He thinks he is above the law.

A friend overheard BushI say something like "If the American people ever find out what the Bush family has done to this country they would drag us out and hang us from the nearest lamp post."

We need to get out of the wars we are in currently. Close most of the 800 military bases we have around the world.
Stop building military equipment. Stop all the crap we do all the time to other countries.
And then people would not want to attack us.



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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 04:52 AM
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10. Welcome aboard and too true. War has always been cover for the rich to rob the poor
That's it's primary purpose in this modern era.
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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 09:52 AM
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13. Bingo!!! I have been saying that for years....
Welcome to the DU! There are a lot of crazies here...but if you pay attention you will find threads like this one....

I see that you joined on September 14th...that was my BD...


:toast:
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Porschenut1066 Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:58 PM
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14. Happy Birthday! :-)
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 04:43 AM
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9. Shouldn't those numbers be adjusted as percentages of GNP? n/t
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 09:06 AM
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11. Yeah, the CIA is probably fudging the numbers to make them look worse.
:rofl:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 09:55 PM
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28. The numbers are honest, but not related to GNP.
If there are 20 murders in a city of 100,000, that's a per capita rate of 0.02%. If there are 5 murders in a town of 10,000, that's a per capita rate of 0.05%. The small town with fewer murders is actually more than twice as dangerous.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:13 PM
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29. I've seen the numbers you're referring to, the US is around 27th or so.
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:38 PM
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22. Here it is I think at least as of 2007.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 09:27 AM
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12. USA! USA! USA! WE WON THE RACE.....to the bottom.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:01 PM
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15. Pathetic.
Truly pathetic.

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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:05 PM
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16. Not even a close race for last place.
The US easily beat Spain for the spot.
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:12 PM
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17.  This is unbelieveable...yet very believable
I've always wished that my parents went back to their roots to raise me...
I could be in Sweden or Canada right now....
I'm only American because I was born here, and have never had "American Pride"....
I don't get what that's all about....just because you were born somewhere?
The most American thing I did when I was young was to patch the ass of my jeans with the flag...
I matured as I matured.....

I have no idea what made me just type this....not on topic...but I'm kind of out there...right here.




peace~
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:15 PM
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18. We're number 1!! k&r
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:21 PM
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19. Welcome to superpower shit's creek without a paddle.
Warfare is a great matter to a nation;
it is the ground of death and of life;

it is the way of survival and of destruction, and must be examined. ?

Therefore, go through it by means of five factors;

compare them by means of calculation, and determine their statuses:

One, Way, two, Heaven, three, Ground, four, General, five, Law. ?

The Way is what causes the people to have the same thinking as their superiors;

they may be given death, or they may be given life, but there is no fear of danger and betrayal. ?

Heaven is dark and light, cold and hot, and the seasonal constraints.

Ground is high and low, far and near, obstructed and easy, wide and narrow, and dangerous and safe. ?

General is wisdom, credibility, benevolence, courage, and discipline. ?

Law is organization, the chain of command, logistics, and the control of expenses. ?

All these five no general has not heard;

one who knows them is victorious, one who does not know them is not victorious. ?


McCain think's he knows how to win in Iraq? :rofl:

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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:25 PM
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20. Iraq = 32 WTF Is it time to leave yet?
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:35 PM
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21. Here it is expressed differently as Public debt/ % of GDP. You are # 27 in this context.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 03:10 PM
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26. That's completely different - nothing to do with the first figure
'public debt' is how much government (at all levels) owe, accumulated, to anyone (could be internal, could be external). Current account balance is how much, per year, the whole country - government, companies, individuals - take in or give out as money in return for goods and services.
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 04:20 PM
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27. Thanks, I wasn't sure about that.n/t
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:41 PM
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23. Interesting who's carrying debt & who's not.
The Philippines - not in debt - though supposedly most people there are poor, & they're exporting us their nurses & doctors. Quite a number of other supposedly poor countries are creditor nations too.

China, touted as emerging world power - creditor. India, also touted as emerging power - debtor.

The anglo-american alliance, save canada: US, UK, australia/NZ, S. africa - all debtors.

Germany & France, the other pivot European powers - one in debt, the other not.

Israel & Egypt (biggest recipients of US foreign aid): creditors.

Switzerland & Belgium, the old centers of finance/banking: creditors.

But it all balances out. I wish I knew a bit more about int'l capital flows; my spidey sense is tingling.

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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:51 PM
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24. Privilege of being world hegemon
Overextended hegemon, of course, which preceded the fall of every previous empire.

First, nice of the rest of the world to pamper us so. Begs the question, though, as to why they would do it.

Second, one reason I think this situation is possible is the USD has served as global reserve currency, propping up the value of the dollar. Any other currency would have fallen through the floor by now, the overconsuming nation forced to raise interest rates to attract foreign funds flow, which would in time (via recession and declining living standards) correct the over-consumption. But since we print the world's reserve currency, we can get away with it (the dollar trades in permissible ranges, interest rates stay low, citizens, corporations, and government gets to over-consume).

Right now, with all the financial chaos, the dollar has strengthened significantly (resulting in falling interest rates). In times of panic and trouble funds flow from abroad into Treasury bonds as a safe haven, a security that, given the full faith and backing of the U.S. government (and the 12-14 trillion dollar economy that stands behind it), will never default. But to buy treasuries, you have to first sell your euros and pounds and yen for U.S. dollars, and that steady and at times rising demand props up the dollar. We don't have to jack up our interest rates compared to the rest of the world to attract the funds that finance our various deficits (in fact our rates are discounted compared to most of the world). So we can get away with it (overconsumption).

An important aspect of this dollar hegemony is oil. Most of the world's oil is sold in dollars. As above, to buy a barrel of oil you have to sell your euro or pound or yen for dollars before transacting with the supplying nation. This, too, is a countervailing force versus the weakening force represented by over-consumption. We get away with it.

Part of the reason we get away with it is our federal government, rather than invest in internal infrastructure, education, and universal healthcare, instead spends astronomical sums on the "security state" -- both to impose order on the rest of the world via tremendous military might (from nuclear weaponry to counter-insurgency torture techniques), and internally via COINTELPRO-like propaganda and disruptive operations that quell and contain all true dissent. The net result is, at least for the 20% of Americans at the top of our society (and especially the top 1%), they get to consume far more value than they create. By force and subterfuge, of course, but most choose to remain blissfully unaware of the immoral means (awareness is hard to come by considering the constant propagandizing blather that spews forth daily from our major media).

(Note that Hussein started trading Iraqi oil in Euros in late 2000...)

USG foreign policy is in major part about punishing those that show signs of opting out of neo-liberal arrangements that benefit (primarily) this "owning class" at the top (this the legacy of Nitze, Kennan, et alia). We don't invade Panama, escort a leader out of Haiti at gunpoint, mine the harbors of Nicaragua, or march into Baghdad because anyone in the know perceives them, in themselves, to be a genuine threat. It's all about crushing the example of alternate models. The capitalist says Greed is Good in one breath and whispers apathy is better in the next -- all the more easy to exploit those when they have no hope for a better future! We've spent the last 50 years crushing hope and extorting behavior conducive to preserving the privileged position of the well- positioned few.

    The US has about 50% of the world’s wealth but only 6.3% of its population. In this situation we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming, and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives.

    We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford the luxury of altruism and world benefaction. We should cease talks about such vague and unreal objectives as human rights and raising of living standards and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better.
    --- George Kennan, PPS 23, 1948
Bush's greed and incompetence has resulted in some unraveling of this status quo paid for in blood and treasure; how far it unwinds remains to be seen. But, since our government long ago devolved into a system that extorts tremendous costs from a swindled public in order to give benefit to a well-positioned few, most of the pain to be experienced during the coming Great Unwinding will be born by us, Joe Sixpack and the Hockey Mom's, who blissfully will swoon to the next demagogue who points fingers at everything but the real cause. Meanwhile the privileged class fly to Fiji for the holidays...




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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 03:03 PM
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25. Oil resources have something to do with these rankings, no? n/t
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:15 PM
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30. I didn't add them up, but it looks like we're more than all the negative countries TOGETHER.
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