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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:28 PM
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If the Republicans steal this election, I'm leaving the U.S. forever. What do you plan to do?
A pertinent question, which meshes nicely wth the thread that I just posted a moment ago, here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4165603

I've made arrangements to leave the United States and teach English in Argentina, Chile, or South Korea. I haven't yet decided upon a destination, but if the result of these impending elections is anything other than a resounding Democratic victory, with us capturing both the Presidency and larger majorities in the House and Senate, then I give up on this wonderful experiment in republican (small r) governement.

What do you personally plan to do if (and when) the election is stolen?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:29 PM
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1. countinue to push forward with my plan to be an autonomous hermit
:)
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #1
53. You and me both. I just bought a skill saw and a set of ratchet
screwdrivers. I might start my own religion, based upon my mad carpenter skillz.
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9thkvius Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 05:22 PM
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119. Heh, you sound like me
I am hoping to take over the old family farm in Massachusetts and become as self-sustaining as possible. I figured the old Bay State might be as good a place as any to hole up since I can't afford to move to Portugal or some place like that.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 08:23 PM
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130. yeah, I've got a little acreage in the Florida back-country
I've started building a solar system and getting the tools together. Once the bills are paid and the tools purchased, I'm there. :)
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:30 PM
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2. I have a supercollider in my basement that I plan to fire up
The resulting black hole will suck the entire continent into oblivion. And good riddance, if it comes to that.
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:35 PM
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7. Is your basement 17 miles in circumference and on the Franco-Swiss border?
Is this a wide-angle shot of your basement perhaps?

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:42 PM
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15. Why do you have to draw attention to it?
Anyway, that's just my summer home.
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galileoreloaded Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:39 AM
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51. That is funny shit.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:31 PM
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3. I live in California. We'll go Dem.
I may not be able to do anything to help other states beyond sending money.

But, if I could I would picket day and night to fight for voters.

We've had enough election fraud in this country.


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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:32 PM
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4. My plans are the same as yours. Teach in SA.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:32 PM
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5. I'm still a British Citizen
so while I can't vote, I can influence others to vote Democratic. I switched 9 votes from Bush to Gore in 2000, and about 14 towards Kerry over Bush in 2004.

I can go to Canada, Australia, all of the EU, back to England, or other places. I'd rather head west, to the Pacific Northwest for personal reasons, but if I must, Vancouver sounds like a nice choice.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:17 AM
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67. !
"I switched 9 votes from Bush to Gore in 2000, and about 14 towards Kerry over Bush in 2004. "

then this year ought to be a real cakewalk--everything considered.
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Night_Nurse Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:34 PM
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6. Canada is right across the river, and I have lots of friends there...
I might consider it. We'll see.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 09:43 PM
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26. Can ya see it from your back yarrrrd? n/t
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Night_Nurse Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #26
83. LOL... ya, that should qualify ME to be a foreign policy expert! nt
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:36 PM
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8. I'm sell'n everything i cant carry.. my whole shop, everything.. we are one of the 40,000 a week
losing jobs.. might foreclose by February.. wife just had 2nd hip replacement, i'm having my left hand amputated the 21st.. 3 botched surgeries.. totally messed up. i might keep my aerospace job if i get a prosthetic. wife works for Hanesbrand.. being outsourced
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:18 AM
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68. best of luck on all the surgery. n/t
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:17 PM
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102. thanks i've had about 12 hours of surgery, 12 days hospital, this will be about 1.5 hrs, & over nit...
this is what they should have done first.. ruined my health, ruined me financially.. for practice
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #102
113. No 2 people should have through that much $#it in one lifetime in the greatest country on earth!
period.

Hope this surgery goes well!
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #8
105. God bless you and your family. n/t
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #8
107. Good luck Sam, keep us posted. n/t
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:36 PM
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9. stand and fight
I've had many disappointing and devastating elections. They only 'win' if we leave the fight. The important exercise of our democracy and our commitment to it, as you must realize, doesn't end the day after the election.
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obamaforme Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:18 PM
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37. exactly, how are you planning to fight? take up arms and shoot republicans ?
Edited on Fri Oct-03-08 11:19 PM by obamaforme
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:24 PM
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38.  I'm talking about vigilance, not anarchy
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #9
90. I already charge more if the person is a repuke ...guess I will have to up the charges even more.
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Meeker Morgan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 05:51 AM
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135. You charge more if the person is a repuke?
Edited on Sun Oct-05-08 05:55 AM by Meeker Morgan
What's your line of business? Psychiatry? :evilgrin:
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mrs_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:36 PM
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10. fight for this country
using my 2nd amendment rights. viva la revolucion!
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #10
40. I'll be in the fox hole with you. Let them cowards run away
Who needs them
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edwardian Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 03:19 AM
Response to Reply #40
75. Name-calling.
Ignoble sentiment.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:35 PM
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46. Good luck with that!
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mrs_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:59 AM
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139. yes, i know
i'll need it. but we have no children (as of yet - i'm sure my attitude would change if we did), and what is wrong with fighting for this country where my ancestors have lived for millennia? i don't mean to advocate violence (sorry, for my lame attempt at a joke), but this is my homeland and i don't want to give it up just yet.
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edwardian Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 03:18 AM
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74. Killing people.
Ignoble sentiment.
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mrs_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:55 AM
Response to Reply #74
138. self-defense
it's a constitutional right.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #10
99. That's not very progressive.
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mrs_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:55 AM
Response to Reply #99
137. what's wrong with staying and fighting
for what you believe in? if there is a president palin, i will understand people fleeing the country (which, as a scientist, i have considered as my skills will no longer be required), but i have decided to stay in my homeland where my ancestors have lived for millennia. if this becomes the fascist state the repukes so desire, fighting for your life may be the only choice. of course, i would not advocate violence willy-nilly, but i do believe in defending oneself and one's family.
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riley3 Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:36 PM
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11. Steal another election
I am also a teacher, but don't think I could afford to go too far. Another teacher and I are planning on driving our families to Canada or Mexico. We just hope they don't close the borders. It doesn't seem possible our country can continue to function if McCain/Palin are in charge. I doubt there will be public schools because they are barely being funded now. Only children whose parents can pay to send them to charter schools will get any sort of education.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #11
41. Could someone conceivably go to a non-English-speaking
country and teach English without a teaching certificate?
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:21 AM
Response to Reply #41
69. yes.
all the time. Check with embassies of countries you're interested in.
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olshak Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:37 PM
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12. I'm considering...
Canada, New Zealand, and Australia.

No, I'm not kidding.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #12
42. I have friends in Australia. That's a possibility. n/t
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:39 PM
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13. I'm staying right here. Not gonna let these fuckers bully me. I love this country too much
Edited on Fri Oct-03-08 08:39 PM by no limit
and this is coming from someone that was born and lived in a different country (Poland), I won't give this up for anything.
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olshak Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:42 PM
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14. You don't...
...happen to have any property still in Poland, do you?

Maybe I can go love there and look up some distant relatives. :-)
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:03 PM
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96. Any property we had in Poland you wouldn't want.
You would have to cut quite a bit on your quality of living compared to what you have here.

But Warsaw is beautiful, so is szczecin.
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:44 PM
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16. I Also Will Have Had Enough.
In 2000 I figured the so-called election was just an anomaly, that Bush couldn't do that much damage and that he would surely be gone in 4 years. In 2004 I was ready to leave, but was swayed by the argument that it was better to stay and fight. If McCain takes the White House in November, it will mean either the election was once again stolen, or else it will mean that more than half the electorate are ignorant boobs. In either case, I'm outa here.

I would suggest checking out Costa Rica or Panama.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:45 PM
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17. I've already looked into Ireland.
If you can provide documentation that a great-grandparent immigrated to the U.S. you
can apply for citizenship. I've located the birth certificates yet have to look into it more seriously.
What irony...returning to the country my great-grandfather fled for a better life.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 09:46 PM
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27. My mother was born there, Ireland!
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:19 AM
Response to Reply #17
58. Grandfather and great grandfather came to California
in 1800s from County Down in Northern Ireland and were gold miners. I am Irish surnamed.

Visited my relatives; my Dads first cousin now deceased and her children on their farm near Hilltown in 1981.

Bobby Sands died the first night there. Interesting times. My grandfather and Dad never mentioned anything about being Catholic but my relatives were. They had pictures in their home of JFK. They were shocked I was not Catholic but I was raised wo/ religion (except perhaps flyfishing and prospecting) and my now ex-wife was Jewish.

I dream about Ireland sometimes but feel trapped by circumstance and by happenstance have a realtively good position for the coming hard times.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:43 AM
Response to Reply #17
64. Thanks for that
I qualify. Not that I'd move but I'd like the option.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:25 AM
Response to Reply #17
70. Your parent has to have registered as a citizen born abroad
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 02:26 AM by treestar
before you were born.

Otherwise, a great-grandparent is too far removed. If it was a grandparent, you can do it.

I did this for my mother, and she was the grandchild of the immigrating person. As great grandchild, I cannot do it. The only way I could be registered is if my mother had done hers before I was born.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 07:57 PM
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129. Ireland, huh?
A great-great,etc.-grandfather, name of Slattery, came from Ireland. Unfortunately, he came involuntarily. He was cold-cocked in Dublin and woke up stuffed inside a barrel aboard a ship bound for the British Colonies. Dad always said it was punishment for being a Protestant, but it's never been confirmed. You think they' let me in with that background?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:54 PM
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18. Im already gone.
I decided before 2004, no matter who won, I was gone. This isn't the lifestyle I want to live, or the environment I want my children to be raised in. I now enjoy my Universal Healthcare, low crime rate, progressive government benefits, and political sanity (even though Ive just recently moved, its made a quick impact).
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MichellesBFF Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. Europe
England or France, and considering that I'm a dual citizen (French-American) it's can be done. And I'm taking French lessons now. I just need to have my husband start taking them too.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:05 PM
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32. An aid I'd recommend is Rosetta Stone. The only problem is price, though.
A full suite will cost you between 300 to 500 dollars, but it's well worth the investment if the goal is to more quickly master the French language. I'm currently taking French lessons now.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #32
85. I Need to Get That To Study German
It is expensive, however I know how to...... oh nevermind.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #18
29. Where did you move to? I'm still looking for a new country
to call home. Our whole society is sick; I just don't think that's going to change anytime soon.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:08 PM
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30. Exactly..."sick". I don't know how to say it more than that sometimes....
Its a sickness that is overwhelming, that you cannot escape while pursuing a normal life there.

I headed north to BC. Not perfect. Not too bad though at all. It was in my top 5 choices, close to home, no language barrier, and they have a lot going for them right now economically (3.5% unemployment in my town for example).
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Bosso 63 Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #29
79. Look to your cats: adapt to the situation and ignore any orders.
Thats my plan.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #79
86. sounds good
nt
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #18
43. ME too...
Haven't looked back and neither has my salary...
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 04:39 AM
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153. Me three
Left in 2006. Other than ocassional bouts of homesickness, nothing that a 9 hour flight home won't cure. I only get depressed when I watch US TV or read too much DU.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:59 PM
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19. Where?
Why should any tribe accept you as a member after abandoning your own?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #19
101. Did any of your ancestors immigrate to USA?
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #19
115. And the Dumbest Statement of the Day Award goes to... (nt)
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vinylsolution Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 09:11 PM
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21. Best to go somewhere you never hear about....
... in the news. So Belgium, Portugal, Norway, or Chile might be good bets.

Mind you, Norway has oil, so it'll already be on McCain's 'to do' list....





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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 09:12 PM
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22. Annoy them
A lot.

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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 09:39 PM
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23. Got buddies and maybe lovers in europe and mexico.
figure that if it becomes obvious that the final fall into fascism has occurred then those might be good places to flee too.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 09:42 PM
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24. What did Romans do when Rome fell?
Life goes on. :shrug:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 09:43 PM
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25. I'm going to Disneyland!!!1!
Nah, not really.

Don't really have options. I'll stay here and suffer through it just like I did the last 2 times.
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colorado thinker Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 09:48 PM
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28. I would like to go to France but
may I point out that we can only leave if the other countries want us and don't close their borders? A sudden influx of Americans fleeing the country. Think about it. It could come to the point that only those with sufficient funds or a specialized skill that is in short supply in another country could actually emigrate. That leaves the vast majority of us who would like to leave with nowhere to go.

Several thousands of Americans trying to enter France, for example, could cripple their social programs, at least at the beginning. Asylum is not granted for simple political differences anymore, is it? I believe you have to be in serious jeopardy, and be able to prove it.

We don't make it easy for anyone to immigrate to this country anymore, so why would I believe that any other country would welcome me with open arms, simply because I disagree with the Republican viewpoint?

This is depressing as hell. We might be better off trying to find remote, undesirable areas of our OWN country and living simply, off the grid if possible.

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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. I think if your president is McCain
You should get refugee status.

We don't deserve it, but maybe they will pity us. :shrug:
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:50 PM
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147. Venezuela might be the first to take US refugees.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:10 PM
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33. If the Republicans steal this election, you'll have to find someplace outside of the trade winds.
Nuclear fallout will likely first be spread through the weather patterns typical to the effected areas.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:23 AM
Response to Reply #33
59. I have been convinced that the NeoCons and Corporate wealth
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 01:24 AM by PufPuf23
are leading us to WWIII. Add Christain Delusionists.

The POTUS election for me is a sure thing WWIII (McCain) or hopefully maybe not (Obama).
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:19 AM
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87. kick - and not live close to a nuke plant


live as far as possible upwind.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:15 PM
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34. We want to leave either way. If the pukes steal it we're renouncing citizenship
If they don't we're just going to quietly move to NZ, Thailand, or Germany.

But we're not raising our kids here. We want to raise a family in either a thirdworld country or a progressive country... why? Because we'd actually get to spend time with them.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 04:15 PM
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114. I think NZ closed their borders to new immigrants years ago.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 05:13 PM
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118. No they actually really want people with degrees/skills
We qualify now actually.
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:32 PM
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121. Hmmm....interesting
And I did ask a few months back about the possibility of international assignments with the company I work for such as in Australia or New Zealand.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 09:04 PM
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131. Weolcome to DU, 47of74!
Is that hexadecimal I see in your signature line?
Some sort of encrypted message?
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:08 PM
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143. Yes it is
It's a question Homer Simpson once asked about his favorite food.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 07:55 PM
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128. Super good news!
So do you think an electrical engineer & an accounting & IT teacherwould be welcomed?

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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 02:02 AM
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132. No doubt at all! Google NZ immigration they have an online points calculator n/t
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 03:08 PM
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141. Thanks!
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obamaforme Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:16 PM
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35. I be moving to Germay-seriously
Edited on Fri Oct-03-08 11:21 PM by obamaforme
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conflictgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:18 PM
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36. Thanks to 8 years of the last election thieves, I don't have the money to leave the country. nt
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 07:49 PM
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127. you and me both. I'd go to Canada but can't afford to nor do I think they'd want me. n/t
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 07:49 PM by dana_b
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:27 PM
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39. What I'm planning on doing? Stay in the Country I love and fight for her.
Good bye coward
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:34 PM
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44. I like it here in America... I guess I will die defending the US Constitution...
What else are we suppose to do? fall in line like the Nazi Germans? The USSR? Communist China? Fuck 'em....
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4 t 4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:37 PM
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47. So Sorry I know it is wrong to say
but I hate this fucking country. I will try and move to mexico.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:42 PM
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48. its your right to leave...
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 09:19 AM
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81. What are you waiting for? Get the Hell out.
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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:11 PM
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109. It is NOT wrong to say that
unless you CHOSE to be a citizen of this country. And even then, if it's changed for the worse since you made that decision, it's not wrong. But certainly, being born on a particular piece of ground doesn't obligate you to any loyalty.
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:43 PM
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145. Do you hate the country or the way it is being run? nt
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:34 PM
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45. Count on it. They will steal this election and I can't leave.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:37 AM
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49. DUMB: or enjoy. Argentina vs. S. Korea? Let me know the decision. nt
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:38 AM
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50. I'll go where I'm most needed. Fascism is difficult to fight from the inside.
Problem is: where's the outside?
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 04:26 AM
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152. The outside are some jungles in the southern hemisphere, where the last freedom fighters live nt
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:52 AM
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52. How can I sell most everything and ship what's left to France?
That will be the question. And where to stay once there and how to find work.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:04 AM
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54. Vote again in 2012, 2016, 2020 etc etc
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 01:05 AM by Mudoria
and not whine on DU....
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:22 AM
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88. and just ignore the rigged voting?
nt
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:35 PM
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122. There may not be elections in 2012, 16, 20 etc
There may not be elections in those years if the Republicans have their way.
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magdalena Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:05 AM
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55. I'd stay and fight.
Fight for some kind of secession because if Obama doesn't win it will be pretty apparent that this country is too philosophically divided to function as a whole. But in the event things really seemed hopeless I'm half-Thai and I'd move back to Thailand and live with my family there. Personally I don't think we'll have to worry about it though.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:06 AM
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56. One word
Australia.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:18 AM
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57. Make a bigger garden, get some sewing skills, and learn how to use a gun n/t
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Michigan-Arizona Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:27 AM
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60. Australia
My mother was born & raised there. She is still a citizen of AU & I have lot's of relative's there, New Zealand, & Tasmania. We as a whole didn't take it to the street's with all that has happened these last almost 8 year's so in my opinion I don't see us doing it when they steal the next one.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:31 AM
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61. Defend our country and fight to restore a government of and by the
people.

Now though is the time to send the Republicans to Syria, Columbia, Red China or whatever they see as their fall back.

BUBBYE!!! Greedy assholes and masses of willful ignorant. BUBBYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:37 AM
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62. Change my name!
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 01:41 AM by autorank
;) Well maybe not that. I think I'll stick around for the general strikes and expressions of massive
discontent, the work stoppages, and the impeachment of nearly every office holder on a federal level.

Other than that, I'll get the Raiders cable package, which will depress me so much, I might
temporarily avoid the massive existential crisis caused by yet another pilfered election.

Then I'll get back to giving the crooks a hard time, right around Dec. 29th, after the Raiders finish
the regular season (I'm reality based).
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:41 AM
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63. If you go to Chile I might see you there.
I don't think I could stand another four to eight years of Republican fascist dictatorship either.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:47 AM
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65. other than as a purely theoretical concern among those who care about democratic principles
(which are purely symbolic at this point and have no bearing on real life, real politics or real power)

whether the repukes steal the election or not does not matter.

Whether the resident of the White House has a D or an R beside his name, the power in this country will remain in the same hands.

And those hands now have an additional $700 trillion of our money.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:24 AM
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89. true
nt
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:02 AM
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66. Stay here, keep working for what I believe in, and live my life.
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 02:04 AM by OnionPatch
The thing with liberalism and progressivism, is that you don't always see the change you're working for in your lifetime. The first suffragettes never got to cast a vote, but those women who finally did, never would have been able to without their work. It takes a painfully long time, but liberalism usually wins in the end. Liberalism wins because our values eventually become accepted as the most reasonable and even conservatives claim them as their own. Sarah Palin would not be allowed to vote, let alone run for VP, if it hadn't been for progressives, yet she'll diss progressives every chance she gets. Fifteen years ago, the only people who cared about the environment were "tree-hugging hippies". Now everyone is "going green" as if it was their idea to begin with. Your conservative brother-in-law will cuss out the union every chance he gets as if he doesn't realize they were the ones who brought him the weekend. (And he probably doesn't.) Now Palin and McCain are trying to pretend they've been for regulated markets all along because suddenly it's painfully clear that regulation was the smart way to go. So I'll live my life and enjoy all I can of it while continuing to fight for what's right. I know it will make a difference in the long run, if not the short.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:29 AM
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71. Staying right here in the good ole Republic of California nt
:-)
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tismyself Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:35 AM
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72. if the election is stolen
I'm going to try to find a phone number for my area's electorate and read that person the riot act.

After that, I'll put on a pot of coffee and get on with things, and absolutely sign up to do even more volunteer work with my DAR chapter. I've got too damn many ancestors ground up into this soil to just get up and walk away.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:43 AM
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73. i will be considering leaving
the steps i've taken are few however. i've googled work opportunities in other places. i've never had a passport and when we moved to NC a year ago, somehow our vital papers - ie, birth certificates - did not make the trip. i just got those yesterday. by mid month i'll be getting our passports, and once the election is over, i'll know better whether or not we'll be seriously looking at expatriating. i have a 16-year-old and no way is he going to be fodder for the wars of the eternally greedy.

can't do a thing until after we've been to LA for christmas though. i haven't seen my oldest son and my grandchildren for one year and 6 days! :cry:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 04:11 AM
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76. This is my country.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 05:39 AM
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77. hey this is the first threat of this nature i have seen here...
this year...

just go already...damn!

sP
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:28 AM
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78. Look forward to the end ...
of capitulation to profit. Afterall, profit's only cost is poverty.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 09:12 AM
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80. deal with it. i already live in an idiocracy, replacing figurehead changes nothing.
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jules1962 Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 09:33 AM
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82. Have thought about it.
Considering what the economy has done to my finances, I probably can't afford to fly out of here. Can't go to Canada(I boycott them because of the clubbing seals issue). Have thought about Ireland or England. How long would it take to get there in a bass boat?:shrug:
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:05 AM
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84. Rosebud, Dakota Territory n/t
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:35 AM
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91. Panama ...my brother has a condo down there.
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groovysadgesun Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:36 AM
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92. Please don't leave BEFORE doing this (with the rest of us, I hope!):
We would need to take a page out of Ukraine. We would need to camp out in DC for as long as it takes! Shut down the government, shut down the transit system and the public schools and make our voices and our hundreds of millions of citizens HEARD and our will respected!
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:07 PM
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95. Hoover will spray you down with fire hoses and leave you to freeze to death.
Anacosta Flats, about halfway down. If you want a rehashing of the last eight years read the whole thing.




http://www.bitsofnews.com/content/view/7336/
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:39 AM
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93. I'd like to do the same, if I thought I could afford it.
I'm hanging on for about another 10 years teaching, hoping my retirement will still be there. I could technically retire now, as I started late, but for a pittance.

If you have the time and inclination, could you brief me on the mechanics and financial aspects of teaching abroad?
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HuskiesHowls Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:40 AM
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94. My great(3 times) grandfather fought in the Revolution
I'll stay and fight. It may not be quite the same, as the US Army has much closer support than the English army did in 1776, but it would still be an interesting fight, for a good cause.
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historian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:07 PM
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97. go with you
I can carry your luggage - speak 4 languages so i can pay my way with menial labor.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:09 PM
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98. I'm looking at Mexico or Belize
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:13 PM
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100. Maybe instead of leaving, we can change the law to require people wanting to vote to
take tests like driver's license.

People would be required to understand the politics. Example: If they say "democrat means moran, babie killer, godless, etc...." then they can't be qualifed to vote. They would be required to read The United States Constitution. Racism and bigotry will automatically disqualify them to vote. Using religion will disqualify as there should be separation of religion and state. No more of pitbull with lipstick, mavericks, hockey mom nonsense.

Here..name more. Make a list
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:19 PM
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103. Die. LIke other poor folk.
Some of us don't have choices.

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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:59 PM
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106. We all have choices,a blaze of glory in the check-out line is just one of them.
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 02:00 PM by fla nocount
Never give up, sparrows don't nor do the lilies of the field... and even Salomon in all his glory........ Never, ever quit, we need you.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 03:16 PM
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111. Quite the collection of cliches, there.
Got compassion?

I realize it takes a bit more effort to actually UNDERSTAND, but that's what DEMS are known for, right?
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 03:41 PM
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112. Yes, tried to aim the response at the message. sorry I missed.
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 03:44 PM by fla nocount
I buy into about half of that horse-shit but you seemed so despondent that I couldn't help myself. I want to comfort the afflicted...hoping to be comforted myself. Karma....
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 05:00 PM
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117. Calling homeless people "horseshit" is REAL compassionate.
Then you wonder why the "progressives" aren't farther ahead in the race.

Look in the mirror, sweetie.

You just afflicted the afflicted.

Good going.

If you have any more of that invective, please aim it elsewhere.
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 07:04 PM
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123. Aimless meanderings on your part evidently,
Myself and my 2 teen-aged sons are 3-4 weeks from homeless, we're hungry now. There's a vast difference between belly-ache and belly-aching. Go pick a fight with someone who can see over someone else's horizons. That or get a grip on the difference between what someone says and what you hear. Sometimes the difference is startling.

Peace be upon you my friend, I pray that our differences don't keep you from loving me as I love you.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:19 PM
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104. If McCain gets in it won't matter where you go.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:05 PM
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108. At this point, it'd be easier to just cancel it. n/t
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liberalpress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:18 PM
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110. What I plan to do
Stay here. Fight. Die if necessary, and to quote Patrick Henry, regret that i will have only one life to give for my country.

Warning: Don't Tread On Me.
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eauclaireliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:16 AM
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149. deleted nt
Edited on Mon Oct-06-08 12:18 AM by eauclaireliberal
nt
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 04:47 PM
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116. Be careful what you wish for. I left several years ago (not for political reasons)
and although I am happy in the UK and have citizenship here, if the Republicans win this election, it will affect me on a family level as well as on a political or financial level.

I've got an 85-year-old Dad and an 18-month-old grandniece, plus family members of various ages scattered between the two. If the republicans win this election, it's more than likely that my visits back to the States will be curtailed. Certainly any possibility of us retiring back in the USA in a few years will be completely out of the question. (Why? Because at my age, and with my pre-existing conditions, no health insurance company would touch me with a 10-ft pole. And we couldn't afford it even if they did.)

I made the choice to move here, and as I said above, I'm happy here. I love my husband and have adopted his country. But it still remains a fact that the old saying is true.. you can't go home again. No matter how badly you may want to do so.

So please make sure that if you go, you go for the right reasons and are prepared to live with the consequences... not the least of which for me is the picture burned into my memory of my mother the last time I ever saw her, standing in her driveway watching me drive away. She was dead less than a year later, and I was five thousand miles away, wishing to God I'd turned around and hugged her one more time before I drove away that day.



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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 05:23 PM
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120. Learn to speak Chinese
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 07:12 PM
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124. Booga-wooga! Election fraud! Booga-wooga!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 07:21 PM
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125. Continue to stick around and keep trying to clean this shit up. For the rest of the world
and myself.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 07:33 PM
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126. Been thinking about this a long time now . .. .
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 07:38 PM by defendandprotect
any opportunity is gone ---

I thought it takes about 2 years to arrange with any country to take you in?

We're older --- our children are here --- and they're not/YET talking about trying

to move on --- though I thought when we all saw SICKO that conversation for them ---

young enough to go --- might begin?


PS: I have friends --- two gay males -- going to Philippines in Jan/Feb for good --

My sister went to Ireland -- her husband was a nativ e --- three years or so ago --

wouldn't come back.
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57_TomCat Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 02:07 AM
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133. I do NOT believe the election was stolen but it was close.
If we win OR lose, I plan to continue to support what I think is right and stand and fight instead of running scared.
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 02:17 AM
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134. Live like I would have anyway.
Fuck them. I won't alter my life for these two bit scumbags.
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susanbanks44 Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 05:54 AM
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136. I will probably whore around and sleep with a lot of Republicans.
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mrs_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:15 AM
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140. lol
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 03:16 PM
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142. When the Republican FAIL to steal this election
I'm wondering what I can do to convince them to leave the U.S. forever. After all, they have convinced themselves that Obama is a communist Muslim terrorist who plans to round them up and through them death camps.


And I'm wondering where they will go? I notice that when liberals talk about leaving the country, it's to "Hell-holes" like... Canada, France or Denmark. What about the poor right-winger? Where can they go to escape the horrors of universal health care, clean air, clean water and safe food?

Iraq?

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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:10 PM
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144. Iraq, Iran, Syria, or perhaps Saudi Arabia.
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:46 PM
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146. I've dedicated my entire life to fighting election fraud for four years now, and all I can say is...

...HELP!!!

Every single one of you who are working for, and donating to, Obama please PLEASE think about also sending a little something to the election integrity organization of your choice. Many of our groups are struggling, especially groups at the state and local level.

And no matter what happens in November -- EVEN IF OBAMA WINS IN A LANDSLIDE -- this problem is not going away. It will come back to bite us big time again someday, sooner or later. WE MUST IMPROVE OUR ELECTIONS.

Get involved, please. We need you.

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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:57 PM
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148. I plan to stay.
The political inclination of the leadership doesn't change the fact that this is my home. I like my town and the people in it. Seeing the world would be nice, but in the end, this is where I want to be. Besides, my belief is that America still has a lot to offer its citizens and the world, despite the disaster that has been the last eight years.
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eauclaireliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:19 AM
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150. Gonna get me some ten acres in Northern Montana or Southern Saskatchewan
Nice prairie areas with you know, anti-aircraft weaponry, thousands of firearms and a two-way radio so I can talk to the Lord every day.

Hey it seems to work well for the RW Fundnuts. What the hell maybe they are on to something...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtXnorRHrDc
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:21 AM
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151. Bush's brother Jeb was running Florida in 04 and it was pathetically a stolen election...
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