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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:21 AM
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Help me debunk this viral email "Where did the money come from?"
my mother in law who has voted republican all her life announced last week that she's considering voting for Obama (see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=7249841)

however this morning she received this email and it's making her scared. she asked me to debunk it.

this is a good sign that she's even asking me. a year ago she would have just believed it.

i'm at work right now and I don't even have time to read it all. maybe it's already been debunked, maybe some of y'all have seen this shit already and have a point or two to make.

i can tell from the beginning that it's manufactured. it appears the problem is it doesn't really make an outrageous claim, instead it just asks a question and forces the reader to "wonder."

any help on this is appreciated.

sorry for the bad formatting. the email has obviously been circulating a lot.

To All My Friends, this is long, but very important, pleasetake the time to read it.

This election has me very worried.So many things toconsider.About a year ago I would have voted for Obama. I have changed my mind three times since
than.I watch all the news channels, jumpingfrom one to another. I must say this drives my husband crazy.But,I feel if you view MSNBC, CNN,
and Fox News, you might get some middle groundto work with.About six months ago, I
started thinking 'where did the money come from for Obama'.I have four daughters who went to College,and we were middle class, and money was
tight.
We (including my girls)worked hard and there were lots of student
loans.

I started looking into Obama's life.

Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental inCalifornia .He is
very
open about his two years at Occidental, he triedall kinds of drugs and
was
wasting his time but, even though he had abrilliant mind, did not
apply
himself to his studies. 'Barry' (that was thename he used all his
life) during
this time had two roommates, Muhammad HasanChandoo and Wahid Hamid,
both from
Pakistan .During the summer of 198,after his second year in college,
he
made a 'round the world' trip. Stopping to see his mother in
Indonesia, next
Hyderabad in India, three weeksin Karachi, Pakistan where he stayed
with his
roommate's family, then offto Africa to visit his father's family.My
question - Where did he getthe money for this trip?Nether I, nor any
one of
my
children would havehad money for a trip like this when they where in
college.When he cameback he started school at Columbia University in
New
York .
It is atthis time he wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry.
Do you
knowwhat the tuition is at Columbia?It's not cheap! to say the
least.
Where did he get money for tuition?Student Loans? Maybe. After
Columbia, he
went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000 ayear.
Why
Chicago ?Why not New York? He was already living in NewYork.

By 'chance'he met Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, born in AleppoSyria, and a
real
estate developer in Chicago .Rezko has been convictedof fraud and
bribery
this year.Rezko, was named 'Entrepreneur of theDecade' by the
Arab-American
Business and Professional Association'. About two years later, Obama
entered
Harvard Law School.Do you have anyidea what tuition is for Harvard
Law
School?Where did he get the moneyfor Law School?More student
loans?After
Law school, he went backto Chicago . Rezko offered him a job, which he
turned down.But, he didtake a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill &
Galland.
Guess
what?Theyrepresented 'Rezar' which is Rezko's firm.Rezko was one
of
Obama'sfirst major financial contributors when he ran for office in
Chicago.
In2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago
Tribune
reporterDavid Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama
with 'seed
money'for his U.S. Senate race. In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in
Kenwoood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than asking price).
With
ALL
those Student Loans - Where did he get the money for theproperty?On
the
same day Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoiningempty lot for full
price.
The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, anIraqi-born Billionaire
loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama'snew home was
purchased.
Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.

Now, we have Obama running for President.ValerieJarrett was Michele
Obama's boss.She is now Obama's chief advisor andhe does not make
any major
decisions without talking to her first.Wherewas Jarrett born? Ready
for
this?
Shiraz, Iran!Do we see a patternhere?Or am I going crazy?

On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor toObama was
'sacked' after the press found out he was having regular contactswith
'Hamas',
which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran.This pastweek, buried
in the
back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported thatduring Obama's
visit
to Iraq, he asked their leaders to do nothing about thewar until after
he is
elected, and he will 'Take care of things'.

Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates thatwhere born in
Pakistan?They are in charge of all those 'small' Internetcampaign
contribution
for Obama.Where is that money coming from? The poor and middle class
in
this country?Or could it be from theMiddle East?

And the final bit of news.On September 7, 2008, TheWashington Times
posted a verbal slip that was made on 'This Week' with George
Stephanapoulos.
Obama on talking about his religion said, 'My Muslimfaith'.When
questioned,
'he made a mistake'.Some mistake!

All of the above information I got online.If youwould like to check
it -
Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama; Tony Rezko;Valerie Jarrett:
Daily
Times - Obama visited Pakistan in 1981; The WashingtonTimes -
September 7,
2008; The Times May 10, 2008.

Now the BIG question - If I found out all this informationon my own,
Why
haven't all of our 'intelligent' members of the press beenreporting
this?

A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - 'Beware of the enemyfrom
within'!!!



Marlene


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Sukie Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:32 AM
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1. First off
Valerie Jarrett was born in Iran to American citizens who were working there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Jarrett
That alone should disqualify such a smear email. I hate emails that make it appear as if the person is an average joe just sitting at home researching stuff and finds all this "information".
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:49 AM
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2. a shame that letter writer's daughters are too ignorant to look into
grants, scholarships, loans, study abroad, etc...they may have a more well-rounded college experience...

and i love the two alleged sources: the moonie times and wiki...
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:58 AM
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3. HE DID NOT MAKE ANY SUCH TRIP, WHAT A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT
Edited on Fri Oct-03-08 11:00 AM by LSK
PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN HOW TO READ FUCKING BOOKS.

He last met his father when he was 10, he never met him again. He was going to take a trip to Africa after college but his father died and he did not go.

He got money for college like everyone else - loans, working summers and paying back loans.

After graduating Columbia, he got a good job for several months and paid off loans and made some good money for some months. He quit it and searched for jobs as a community organizer but was turned down until he got a job he liked in Chicago.

THIS IS ALL CLEARLY SPELLED OUT IN DREAMS FROM MY FATHER. WHY DONT FUCKING IDIOTS LEARN TO FUCKING READ?!?!?!?!?

YOU DONT KNOW HOW MUCH THIS SHEER IGNORANCE MAKES ME MAD!!! ITS ALL IN HIS VERY WELL WRITTEN BOOK!!!!!

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:23 AM
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5. it makes me angry too
that's why i'd like to debunk it

but I try to be civil and not show my anger when I'm dealing with these folks. I think it gives me the best chance of breaking through
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:55 AM
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7. are you saying he never made the WHOLE trip, or just the Africa part?
sorry I haven't read the book, but since you have, it would be very helpful to clarify. thanks
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:08 PM
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9. i figured it out. see post #8
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The 12th Guru Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:11 AM
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4. Smears are all over, without providing corroboration consider a smear
He could gone back to Barack because he felt pride for heritage after visiing his father. He may have learned its not just anIslamic name but also African and and he might have finally been comfortable to switch back to his adult name with sounds more professional.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:27 AM
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6. fight the smears . com
check it out
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:07 PM
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8. read my debunk response to my mother in law here
Edited on Fri Oct-03-08 01:07 PM by garybeck
Dear ____ (my mother in law)


1) Valerie Jarrett was born in Iran, *to American parents who were working there.* Wikipedia: "Valerie Bowman was born on November 14, 1956 in Shiraz, Iran, where her father, Dr. James Bowman, ran a hospital for poor children. Her father, a pathologist and geneticist, is Professor Emeritus in Pathology and Medicine, University of Chicago" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Jarrett. I don't see the relevance of this.

2) The email mentions a "trip around the world" that Obama took "after his 2nd year of college." Mysteriously it says the trip took place in the year "198" but leaves the last digit off. I checked Wikipedia and talked to someone who read both of his books the talk about the trip is completely twisted and incorrect. Wikipedia mentions a trip he took in 1988, and it says he met some of his father's relatives on this trip, *for the very first time.* But he graduated from Columbia in 1983! So the email has him going to Africa in 1981 (after his 2nd year of college) and then returning and asking everyone to call him Barak instead of Barry. But the trip didn't take place until 1988. And according to the email, he was already going by the name "Barak" by then. So it contradicts itself, even in the middle of a lie. It is clearly changing the facts around to match the story, which itself is a lie.

3) He got money for college like everyone else - loans, working summers and paying back loans. After graduating Columbia, he got a good job for several months and paid off loans and made some good money for some months. He quit it and searched for jobs as a community organizer but was turned down until he got a job he liked in Chicago.

4) The main point of this email is the question "Where is the money coming from?" The claim that the money for his presidential campaign is not coming from small contributions on the internet, but rather middle east funders, is an outright lie, and shows the whole email is bogus. Again we can simply turn to Snopes.com which has a similar email on there, suspiciously with the title "where is the money coming from?" Your letter asks this same question several times. I wouldn't be surprised if the same person wrote both emails. Regardless, just check Snopes here:

http://snopes.com/politics/obama/donations.asp

that claim is clearly false!

Please note that virtually everything in the email makes unsubstantiated references to news stories that likely don't exist. For example one says "This past week, buried in the back part of the papers....." Doesn't that sound a little suspect to you? If I were writing an article like this, and if I mentioned something that was "buried in the back part of the papers" I would give a link to substantiate the claim. You would think that this person, who did all this research herself, would back up some of her information with the actual link to the article, if it existed. These people know that most readers aren't going to take the time to check and see if any of these smears are true. If they were true, you'd see some links. I picked just one, the reference to the Washington Times Sept.7th and found that the article itself stated "Within one hour of the interview, anti-Obama groups had edited it out of context and were sending it around via e-mail.... Mr. Obama, who is a Christian and often proudly speaks about how his faith has influenced his public service, said he finds it "deeply offensive" that there are efforts "coming out of the Republican camp" to suggest "that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith." The link is here: http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/08/obama-mistake-on-being-muslim-seized-by-rivals/

I think there's no question that the writer never was planning on voting for Obama as he/she claims, but rather trying to appeal to those who are. It's a classic tactic.

I think we have enough to show that this email is based on lies. But If you want me to dig deeper I will.

One other note-- anytime you get an email like this, consider the fact that email is the choice medium for lies like this because no one has to take responsibility. If anyone ever posted something like this on a website or blog, they would have to own up to it. Using email creates a barrier by which people can lie and smear and never have to respond.

The worst thing of it all is that 22 other people received the email along with you. I'm guessing you are probably the only one that looked into the facts, or asked someone else to do it for them. So 22 people, and probably millions others like them are taking this bowl of lies seriously.

If it were me, I would do my part and politely reply to the other 22 people and point out a few inaccuracies to try to stem the tide. But that's your choice.

I believe Jesus said the truth will set you free. Lies like this will only hurt us and prevent us from making good decisions.

Thanks for checking
Gary
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:24 PM
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10. Excellent response. Good job.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:46 PM
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13. thanks! n/t
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:26 PM
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11. The "Occidental years"
For Bush, his drinking and drugging were signs of the wonderful transformational powers of his religion.

For Obama, it's unforgiveable.

:P
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 03:11 PM
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12. UPDATE - my mother in law replies to my debunk
in case you missed, post #8 displays my debunking of the email, which I sent to my mother in law.

she replied and said:

Thanks, Gary. I sent your email to the person that sent it to me. I suggested that she forward it to the other people.



So I would consider this a success! it shows with a little fact checking we can open people's minds. and also that there are some republicans out there who just maybe do want to know the truth.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 09:59 PM
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14. That is great, thanks for posting the update. Best wishes to her and you.
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