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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:07 AM Original message |
Bailout Bill: Congress Commands AUTOMATIC STAY of court-PROVEN Constitutional Violations!!!!!! |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
1. I'm ready to declare our entire government a terrorist organization. n/t |
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endthewar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
21. Wow! |
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BelgianMadCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
42. They say the same of you |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. They have for some time |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
52. They're sure acting like mobsters will this bill. "Put it all in this bag, see,...." |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
2. Why would something |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. POWER GRAB |
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54anickel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Because the jig is up, the Fed Reserve and related banking system is unconstitutional and we're |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #5 |
43. The Federal Reserve IS unconstitutional!!! And so is this fucking bill!!! |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
4. Thank you LS. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
6. What kind of scenario does this paint practically speaking? |
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Beregond2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
7. This applies to participating companies. |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:32 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Nothing can make violation of Constitutional rights OK |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 02:01 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Constitutional rights are the one thing protected aren't they? |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
34. exactly, but the point is that it's given, then immediately taken away via Stay |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. For three days. nt |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Wrong. Get a better lawyer. "unless the Secretary SEEKS a stay within three days" |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. The automatic stay expires in three days. |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. It isn't explicitly stated as such. It could be used against the individuals |
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2 Much Tribulation (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. "Taxpayer Standing" might be the issue you're getting at here.... |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
8. I'm getting used to my new rogue nation status. |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Feels more like China everyday |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
11. Oh, I'm sure they didn't mean anything BAD by it. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. ... |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Another FISA gift pak, this time for Wall Street. |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
14. Did these folks learn NOTHING about the consequences of rash acts on incomplete data? |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
16. Even Dodd's bill was lacking in real oversight. |
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edwardian (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
18. If Congress is in violation of the Constitution |
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2 Much Tribulation (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 01:35 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Acts in violation of the Constitution are VOID, that's true. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #19 |
37. If it's unconstitutional, |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:51 AM Response to Original message |
22. this plan is a no-go |
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VoodooGuru (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:03 AM Response to Original message |
23. "Automatic Stay" is language from the bankruptcy code. |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:07 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Since U brought it up, I was an atty for MORE than 12 years, till i got sick |
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D-Lee (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:23 AM Response to Original message |
24. Not so bad and more typical than you think |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:11 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. D-Lee, welcome to DU - 4 posts so far, eh? Lucky you got to post! |
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moodforaday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
25. In short: If you liked the Patriot Act |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
28. OVERSIGHT IS A DINOSAUR. Extinct. Dead. Non-existent since 9-11. And it wasn't so great before then. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
29. The stay is lifted in 3 days |
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2 Much Tribulation (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. trial judges can stay their own orders pending appeal, if merited. This is different |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Probably |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. one thing you're missing is the constitution's "contracts clause" |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. That has nothing to do w/this bill, at all. |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. No, once the govt (secretary) makes a contract it achieves Constitutional |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Yet it still makes no sense... |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. Sorry you don't understand, but I'll bet they're coming back for more |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 10:18 AM Response to Reply #29 |
40. Thanks Marie. |
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ThePowerofWill (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
30. Bookmarked for further reading. |
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mlevans (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
33. I hope you sent this out to the papers or something |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Nothing stopping anybody else from doing so, I'm swamped, but will try |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
45. Damn these Corporate Democrats who vote for this theft against the Middle Class. |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I don't know. Are they just scared, yet again? |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
48. Request for feedback |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. response to this |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
49. So where did you go to lawschool? |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. check your PMs |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Cool |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
56. Our Democratic Congress bought into this. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
57. "Farcical" won't cut it. Just the thought that the Dems countenanced that is a truly surreal |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
58. excellent well thought out post. KR nt |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. I like a person with a sig line that stresses the appropriate weight of principles! nt |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
61. It appears that we may have narrowly avoided turning over our govt over to a band of terrorists. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
62. If the details of the language of this bill can argued over this much, it should not be passed. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
63. Does anyone in DC read these bills besides Kucinich? |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. That is an excellent question.....The video I posted just below this is essential viewing. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
64. You MUST check out what Dennis Kucinich has to say about this. |
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