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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 05:18 AM Original message |
DUers against the Dem bailout bill--I don't understand you |
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European Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 05:30 AM Response to Original message |
1. Maybe we just don't like being taken by filthy rich crooks who could bail themseves out. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 05:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Do you believe inaction will primarily harm the rich? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 05:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I think many if not most of these folks don't have retirement accounts |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 08:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
25. A lot of us average "working stiffs" with retirement accounts will lose. |
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European Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 05:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. If someone slaps your face, you are not too eager to help them... |
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tosh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 05:37 AM Response to Original message |
4. Good post. |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 05:41 AM Response to Original message |
5. Giving Paulson 700billion of our money... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 05:55 AM Response to Original message |
7. A lot of working class voters got destroyed these last decades. There's huge resentment out there. |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 05:58 AM Response to Original message |
8. Let me preface my response with this.... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 05:58 AM Response to Original message |
9. I'm not sure where I stand but Joseph Stiglitz sure doesn't |
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Hugin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 06:04 AM Response to Original message |
10. The fact that millions of Americans that are without health-care didn't cause a similar 'crisis'... |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 06:19 AM Response to Original message |
11. I'm against them rolling over to Bush** when they're the majority |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 06:34 AM Response to Original message |
12. And to those interested in seeing greedy, clueless corporatists turn on the spit a time or two? |
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elifino (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 06:41 AM Response to Original message |
13. The government enabled this problem and it must fix it. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
56. Don't post your bullshit rightwing lies on this board. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 07:34 AM Response to Reply #56 |
65. Thank you. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 06:42 AM Response to Original message |
14. I don't understand the people who are for it.. |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 07:49 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Thank you, sendero -- exactly my points as well. $700 billion only |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 06:47 AM Response to Original message |
15. there are some pretty basic reasons why I'm against handing large amounts of cash to |
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Irish Girl (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 07:00 AM Response to Original message |
16. it's because |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
18. There are sound economic reasons to oppose this bailout |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
50. Where are you getting the $trillion figure? |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
19. Good OP. |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
20. Lao Tzu in the Tao Te Ching refers to "doing nothing" as one of the supreme acts of a sage. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #20 |
72. Hoover thought that 'doing nothing' was the best thing for the economy too. |
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denverbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
21. I oppose it for several reasons. |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
22. I had a long answer all ready to go, but this says it all more succinctly: |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #22 |
36. I just mentioned this "thought" in my post below and added the Patriot Act to that too. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
23. What guarantee do we have |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
24. Herbert Hoover pushed through a similar bailout near the end of his administration. |
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the other one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
26. 5. Those who see through this "crisis" |
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OregonBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
27. Perception is everything in an election year. The perception is that this is a DEMOCRATIC BAILOUT. |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
28. this blows |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
29. #4 for me and I know most don't understand this POV, but it is the best one |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
81. I can only defend #4 as an idealistic wish to build something better. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
30. It's the biggest transfer of wealth from everyone else to the top 0.1% in history. |
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Spritz57 (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
31. Something I haven't heard said yet |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
32. Not surprised at your pro bailout stance |
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prolesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
49. You have no idea what you're talking about |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. McCain to Obama: "You just dont understand" |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
33. i wont like it until we take over business that MAKE money |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
34. THIS IS THE SIMPLE REALITY: Unless there is some deal by the end of next week or sooner - |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. The core of your argument -- you even bolded it: |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. listen, the whole world is following the markets right now and there is near universal agreement |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Douglas, you're right. This isn't Bush crying wolf. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 03:53 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. thank you for that excellent article regarding the derivative market |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 07:45 AM Response to Reply #34 |
66. Look, we're in trouble with or without intervention. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. the decline in real estate market values is directly related to the credit bubble |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. I've been reading about this crisis for 5 years. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
35. IMHO, I start with the premise..do I trust Paulson, one of Shrub's minions. He was sitting |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. absolutely |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
37. Thanks... I agree with you. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
38. K&R |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
39. K&R. Really good post...nt |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
41. How much inflation is"OK"? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Inflation dumps on the lower classes. That much is certain |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #45 |
73. Good grief! Inflation *HELPS* the lower classes!! What's wrong with you, JP? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. I expressed myself poorly: what you point out is true, but that's not all inflation causes |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Well, I'm a pensioner and it's certainly true that my OAP income doesn't keep up with |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. It does give and take--note particularly the stagnant wages we're experiencing |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
43. I don't buy anything the cabal and their DLC pals are trying to sell. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. It's a total "boy who cried wolf" situation |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
46. 5. Those who are against plunder and for maintaining US solvency if still possible |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
47. Read Pelosi's words |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I don't much like that either |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Let it bleed. Or make the taxpayers stakeholders as |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 07:26 AM Response to Reply #51 |
63. Recall the hesitation to allow Social Security to make ownership decisions on companies it would own |
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fla nocount (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. "My poor little dripping claws are tied..." |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
53. "expert" opinion, meaning |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
57. And I don't understand people who support either plan. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
58. the reaction to this is a vote of no confidence in our govt and their corporate pimps |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
59. Many, my self included believe a much larger drop is needed |
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OakCliffDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 05:32 AM Response to Original message |
62. Kick |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
64. When those IMF policies start biting |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
67. DUers for the bailout/giveaway: you don't understand opposition because you don't |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
68. you have to be kidding |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Seriously. "The guy on tv says I'll lose my IRA unless we do this |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
71. The idea that because it is a Democratic Party plan it is above refute |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. I would never say that the current plan is beyond refutation. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #74 |
93. I think we can afford to "do nothing" |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
76. I'm the CEO of Dewey, Cheatem & Howe Mortgage, Unlimited. I'm against |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
77. I have been sitting here for the last coupla weeks |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. If Obama wins, I believe that he and a large majority Democratic Congress, |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #79 |
92. I wish that were enough reassurance |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
78. NYT, 9/28/08, page 1: |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
80. i wasn't on board at first |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
82. A lot of DUers don't understand economics. |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. A lot of DUers understand that no private equity firms were interested. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Because it is not in their SELF interest even though it is ultimately needed. |
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Malidictus Maximus (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
84. The onus is on someone pushing the plan to prove it is a good thing |
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5thGenDemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
85. The fix is in and both parties are going to roll over and play dead |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
89. IMO, there is no good bailout plan and we have no choice but to accept one... |
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Waiting For Everyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-28-08 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
91. I say take the $700 bn and start a clean Bank of the US. |
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