Obama Draws A Line In the Sand: No Paulson Deal

[Ichingcarpenter]

Obama has stepped up and stated what he needs a bailout plan to include in order to support it, and the Paulson plan simply can't meet his requirements. Obama has just announced his opposition to the basic principles of the Paulson Plan.

No Blank Check: Paulson doesn't get money without oversight or legal responsibility.

Must Be Regulatory Changes: The practices that caused the crisis have to be ended at the same time.

Taxpayers Need More than Consideration: If a huge bailout is to occur, it has to be done in the way that costs taxpayers the least possible.

No Bailout For Foreign Banks From US Money: Instead, all countries should work together to help everyone.

Ordinary People Get Help Too: It can't just be a bailout for Hank's friends, it has to help ordinary Americans too.


http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/amandascott/gGg9zj

[wyldwolf]

1. damn straight... or as we say in the deep south...

Fuckin' A!

[jimshoes]

11. Up north too

Fuckin' A.

[digidigido]

68. "No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it."

As Albert Einstein said.
Anyone who thinks the guys who created this crisis can solve it is a fool

[bertman]

108. I get your drift digidigido, but I'd like to point out that this is not a "problem" waiting to be

"solved". It is a PLAN that is trying to be IMPLEMENTED.

This is not some unforeseen consequence of a system that was not thoroughly thought out before it was set up and put into motion. This is the next step in liquidating the U.S. Treasury into the pockets of the international business and corporate cartels. It was planned and put into effect by very smart, forward-thinking financial wizards, who DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS ABOUT THE U.S. or IT'S CITIZENS.

They are all about money and power and how to take it from everyone else. Bottom line.

I'm glad that Obama is hanging tough on this one. But it's going to be interesting to see who caves first: Pelosi, Reid, or Obama.

[Joe Chi Minh]

109. Disaster capitalism by the masters. But it's sometimes nice to pretend for a few seconds

that they didn't know what they were doing, you know.

Rightly or wrongly, I don't think Obama would cave first. They may not cave. This could be a pivotal moment in the history of the world, and they wouldn't want to go down in history as pusillanimous myrmidons, "time-servers", who let the country down in its hour of greatest need.

[JHB]

124. One last Smash & Grab on the Treasury before leaving office. n/t

[stlsaxman]

82. right smack dab in the middle, too-

Fuckin'- A Right!

[Faith No More]

46. Yeah,

don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining Paulson you crooked bastard !!!

[truedelphi]

54. You are getting my Joke of the week award

Or maybe I should make that an Emmy - since it is Emmy Sunday!!

[stlsaxman]

84. Visions of Al Swerengen saying those very words

... but i've been re-visiting Deadwood of late

[Bake]

106. EFFIN' A!!!

(For purposes of the subject line only ...)

FUCKIN' A!!

Bake

[Joe Chi Minh]

112. A plus!

[UpInArms]

2. I'm glad to see Obama take a firm stand against the looting!

gObama!

[Ichingcarpenter]

4. I'm looking at Conservative blogs of Substance and they don't like the Paulson plan either

Notice of didn't say Republican blogs.

[garthranzz]

47. What would those be?

You can send me a private message, if need be. I'm serious. i need to know where rational Conservatives live in the blogosphere, because I teach argumentation and need credible resources on both sides. (Credible, even if I disagree.)

[MindMatter]

107. It's called LEADERSHIP

Been a long time since we've seen that.

[Submariner]

3. One more thing

Freeze financial accounts of the thieves that escaped with their bonuses and golden parachutes from Wall St. Sell their homes and yachts, and send the MF'ers to prison.

[ladjf]

18. Freeze and seize their ill-gotten gains.

[BeFree]

20. Zero tolerance?

Include that in the plan, just like they hit the little guys with. Take away everything they used to get their millions, along with their millions.

[ladjf]

63. Freeze. And if it is shown that laws were broken, hit them with

restitution levies.

[amandabeech]

70. Then throw them in the slammer with all the other bank robbers.

No country clubs either and sentence them under the state robbery statutes not federal banking and securities fraud statutes.

[Enthusiast]

80. The American people want someone

in jail. And rightly so!

[ladjf]

114. That would indeed be a wonderful day!

[ladjf]

113. Yes. The imprisonment of the major thugs would do a lot to

improve our confidence in Government. I don't think it will happen though.

[Joe Chi Minh]

116. I wonder if that East German Communist dramatist, Bertholt Brecht,

realised just how prophetic his words would turn out ot be, when he said that "it is easier to rob by setting up a bank than by holding up a bank clerk."

And how about Thomas Jefferson's words:

"I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale."

Was he talking about funding from tax dollars?

[screembloodymurder]

88. Doesn't the no bankruptcy bill call for repayment over time?

Make these fuckers work off their debts. There should be no hiding behind a corporate veil. Management of a failed corporation should be held responsible just like the individual. Those on the boards should should return every dollar they were paid.

[dhpgetsit]

24. I'm all for that if it can be done legally

Hell, yeah!

[wordpix]

61. freeze and seize, that's what I've been saying for years. That goes for ALL BushCo greedmeisters

[ClayZ]

79. They are economical terrorists!

[Oskie]

97. Support Dems against blank check. here's the numbers..ACT now

CALL them NOW-- show your support! Don't just sit there. Reid: 202.224.3542 Pelosi: 202.225.4965 Schumer:202.224.6542 Google for others.

Congress must HEAR from us and know we want Oversight & transparency, mortgage help for homeowners, no golden parachute/executive pay, & to include a stimulus package for average citizens. The assistant I spoke to said they pay attention to phone calls!! (Need more info on the bailout go to Huffington Post). Send to all Dems...MAKE THE CALLS.

[rch35]

5. I love this, lets see if the Dems in Congress back him up

this could be their chance to really take back America.

[Subdivisions]

6. Fuckin' A! n/t

[Mme. Defarge]

10. Uh,

ditto.

[yowzayowzayowza]

7. Makin me proud.

:bounce:

[RB TexLa]

8. How about no bailouts period. Nothing is "too big to fail"

[foxer]

28. The reason their so big is all the mergers they pushed

[RB TexLa]

32. And when they fail they will become unmergered as other companies buy up their parts.

[guruoo]

69. At least let them beg for awhile, then reduced to blubbering shadows of their former selves...

I want to hear them crying for their mommies.

[glitch]

9. If I weren't already voting for Obama -- this would make me vote for Obama.

Even pukes have got to be sick of the looting.

edit: of course the fascists will now blame him for the entire collapse.

[melody]

12. It's so good to see someone saying this ... especially him n/t

[bluestateguy]

13. Obama is becoming a Jacksonian Democrat

I am very pleased.

[Roland99]

14. "No Bailout For Foreign Banks From US Money"

Damn straight!!

[wordpix]

62. and no bailout for corporations with offshore addresses!

[Enthusiast]

81. Perfect!

Obama should voice his misgivings then stick with it.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

15. Let's be real here...

Obama will vote for the final bill. Period. It would be political malpractice not to.

It is almost mean to try to get people here worked up thinking otherwise. (Nobody need to be built up to disillusionment 40 days from an election.)

[vssmith]

57. If we get the bill Paulson wants the next President will have his hands tied

The enormous debt will preclude health care etc. To me it almost looks like a conspiracy to destroy a Populist agenda.

[SammyWinstonJack]

91. !!!

To me it almost looks like a conspiracy to destroy a Populist agenda.

[chill_wind]

76. That much seems almost certain.

The prayer is that the final bill will not get through without as many of these mark-ups as possible.
I don't know what the odds of that are, though. Plenty of Dems swimming in Wall Street cash, Obama no exception.
He's going to need a lot of back-up.



http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/brothers-grim-is-lehman-next.html



Obama Better Positioned, But Will Need Pressure

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/mccain-obama-wall-street_b_126613.html

[cascadiance]

119. Demand ALL of those ammendments be added AND signed or impeachment WILL start!

If Bush tries to fend off any of these modifications that will keep him from paying off his buddies, make it ABSOLUTELY clear that he's then CROSSED THE LINE AND WILL be impeached!

[soulcore]

100. exactly.

I'll come check this thread again when the actual VOTE is cast, and we'll see if anything changes in Washington or on Wall Street.

I want to hope, but he's voting to fund the war, and voted for telecommute immunity...

He will vote for this too I fear.

[Joe Chi Minh]

117. No. You be real. if there is a gun to anyones' heads, its at the heads of

the Republicans who caused the crisis. They must accept the Democats' terms or theyw ill be held responsible for the economic consequences. The people will not blame the Democrats for stopping the looting, even if the Republicans' intransigence brings about the catastrophe. It will come anyway in a while, but I mean at this current juncture.

[progressive_realist]

16. Soooo glad he took this stance.

The proposed Paulson deal is a game-changer. Everyone, left and right, is furious about this giveaway to the world's most irresponsible companies and the individuals who have run them into the ground. Unless the plan is substantially altered, I expect many of the politicians voting for it will unexpectedly find themselves on the job market in November. And if McSame votes for it and Obama votes against it...

:dem:

[VP505]

17. K&R

GOBAMA!:thumbsup: :kick:

[denem]

19. K&R!

[JBoy]

21. Nice to see some pushback. This bailout is being fast-tracked on the 9/11 Mushroom Cloud Express.

[neverforget]

22. Now will Congress listen to him or will they be Paulson's play thing?

[cliffordu]

23. K&R. That's my president!!

[AzDar]

25. Ayup.

:thumbsup:

[Recursion]

26. *THAT* is my President talking nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Hmm been wriitng to them on policy since Tuesday

either we are on a similar wave... or mine and many other emaisl are having an effect

[barbtries]

42. i think and hope it's the latter n/t

we got to make noise!

[PufPuf23]

29. I was voting for Obama anyway but

I am impressed!!

[bread_and_roses]

30. well, it's a start...

...is he letting this opportunity to beat the drum for higher taxes for our Corporate Masters - both on earnings and on wealth - pass unmentioned? And building an ecomony based on sustainability, not a giant Ponzi scheme that benefits the upper 1-5 %?

[snappyturtle]

31. K&R Now if Sen. Obama would add that he will seek out the

"criminals" that caused this situation for prosecution then I would be even happier.

[fascistgroovething]

33. Phil Gramm's bill S.900 was a party line vote...

...Obama would have voted with Edwards, Kerry and Biden then.... McCain and Gramm, I am certain are behind this bailout too:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3502627&mesg_id=3503066

[WindRiverMan]

34. You Go OBAMA!

I am so fucking tired of living paycheck to paycheck (and I will be the first to admit I make more than many). Higher gas, higher heating, higher food, my raise this year will not even begin to cover inflation!


Bullshit! this is a government of the people, for the people, by the people. NO BLANK CHECK!

[Shanti Mama]

72. My son just memorized it;

Of, by and then for. :-)

[eridani]

35. INSIST that the following clause be eliminated

"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."

There should be a committee with representatives from consumers, not just one person.

[BigBearJohn]

36. Wouldn't it be great if Obama turns out to be the next best president since FDR & JFK?

[Jackpine Radical]

56. FDR was great.

Sadly, Jack wasn't around long enough to make it to "Great."

[bean fidhleir]

95. Not so great. His policies - especially his weakness - created the mess we're in today

He was a politician first and last. He only played a statesman on radio.

His "dollar a year men" came from industry, continued to be paid by industry, and created the military-industrial complex and consumerist economic culture that are killing us today. It's not clear whether he wasn't smart enough to see what they were doing, or not strong enough to stop them, or actually believed that government should serve business rather than the people.

It was his proto-fascist servility toward Big Business that got Huey Long to turn against him - he got Long's support by promising to implement wealth redistribution, but then reneged.

[LanternWaste]

102. Guess we've read some widely divergent biographies of the man.

Guess we've read some widely divergent biographies of the man.

"proto-fascist servility" :rofl:

[bean fidhleir]

105. Perhaps so. There's quite a nice history of the FDR period by Columbia historian

Alan Brinkley: "The End of Reform: New Deal Liberalism in Recessioin and War". He supports his arguments very well, and I certainly can't find any holes in them. I was born during FDR's third term, and grew up with the standard mythology. It's only recent scholarship that's started to bring to light some of the less-savory bits.

I have another history of the same period, but unfortunately can't put my hand on it right at the moment. Both authors seem to agree (to the extent that they talk about the same things, which in general they don't).

And before you rupture yourself laughing at the idea that some of FDR's policies were fascist, study the National Recovery Administration. It handed the big-corporation bosses a blank check to fix prices, carve up territories, set production quotas, and suppress labor and small companies.

[Joe Chi Minh]

118. He only got through the New Deal, in exchange for their impunity, after

the cabal of fascist bankers General Smedley Butler exposed failed in their efforts to have him assassinated. In the circumstances, what he achieved was little short of miraculous.

[debbierlus]

37. a HUGE sigh of relief, I was worried the dems were just going to cave

[Old and In the Way]

38. Perfect.

I'm sure John McCain and his conservative principles/principals will agree with Obama.....:rofl:

[barbtries]

39. thank you

man it's a busy sunday, i can't keep up today.

[Naturyl]

40. This bailout makes me very angry....

%$#^%#^%#^^%#!!!

I'd better see welfare for THE POOR restored if we're going to give a big fat WELFARE HANDOUT to the rich.

This country is SEVERELY trying my patience.

[EndElectoral]

41. Thank God. The Audacity of Fear is not making Dem's repeat the Iraq War Res. rush to madness

[AlabamaBrightBlueDot]

43. Error: You've already recommended that thread.

Make sure Nancy gets the memo......

[99 Percent Sure]

44. ... Yet these talking heads on Bloomberg and CNBC are saying that

Obama agrees with the plan, though Obama clearly stated that Paulson has only submitted an 'idea' not a plan that helps We the People first, not Crooks Row.

Lies, lies, lies. These people just take words and intentionally twist them to mislead people.

[MzNov]

45. Here's more on his 7 point plan

:hi:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/21/135938/882/500/605634

It may be just my wishful thinking, but the Dem "leaders" seem to be taking their cue from Obama, and rightly so, as he needs to finally do the leading for our spineless leaders. Pelosi and Reid seem to have come out today against Paulson's demands. Oh lordy, could they just stick with it? I think so, if Obama keeps control of the Democratic message.

[spag68]

73. Pelosi and Reed

They are only doing it because if by so freak of nature Obama is actually elected, they will be out in the cold if they don't support him now. It's a win-win for them. They get to look good for a while, and if in the end McSame winsthey will still be our leaders and can say I told you so. they have to prove to me that they are not spineless creeps, so far not so good on that point.My fondest hope is for Al Franken on the senate floor, giving them hell,as he has nothing to lose. He is smarter then most and funnier then all, I'll be addicted to C-Span 2, just waiting for Al to put them on the skewer.If we can save our country from the fascists, it will be a fun session to watch.

[marias23]

48. Welcome to the administration of Barak Obama

Intelligence, compassion, resolute.

[closeupready]

49. That's more like it. Sounds more fair to me.

I still don't like bailing them out, but it has to do something for everyone.

[Joe Chi Minh]

121. The most important thing of all is not to allow him to operate completely outside the

law - which was high on of his shopping list. That would be the end.

[Blue State Bandit]

50. That's my man!

Damn straight!

[katandmoon]

51. I am REALLY glad to hear this. Now give Nancy Pelosi the news.

[Whisp]

52. right on, Barack. a most sensible voice - I love you! nt

[Limelight]

53. Love what he's saying, but for now...

It's all big talk. Let's see if our party actually grow spines and a few sets of testicles and take a stand.

[TexasObserver]

55. Hell Yes! Obama is right. Dems must not roll over on this.

NOW is the time to bargain for points that Americans want. The toadies for Wall Street will make sure Wall Street is protected. The cost is the Obama points.

[gate of the sun]

58. agreed

I'm happy he is speaking out against this blank check but he is not president bush is and we need our congress to stand up for us we'll see if they do.

[KathieG]

59. Hell yeah!

[wordpix]

60. now THAT's a PRESIDENT and not the head of a corporation of greedmongers

:applause:

[cui bono]

64. He still needs to talk about the transfer of power.

In fact, if he needs to talk about it not just to satisfy those of us who already support him, but he SHOULD talk about it in order to show what those in power are trying to do! It is a win win for him to bring it up and forcefully.

[Canuckistanian]

65. Tobin tax.

It's about time.

[gingersnaps1]

66. That's right

It's bad enough they want my tax dollars but now they want all out approval to do whatever they want without oversight. Suminabastards!!! They get nothing if we don't get something too!!!

[Corgigal]

67. Senator Obama

Just SLOW it all DOWN. Don't let anyone do a damn thing quick and easy. Slow the panic from the news cycle and we will back you. Slow it down, let us ALL think together.

[Jack Rabbit]

71. Right on!!

That's my candidate.

[McCamy Taylor]

74. Henry Paulson is ex-CEO Goldman Sachs, he needs to recuse himself.

[chill_wind]

77. Never gonna happen.

The Paulson Payoff at the Bush Treasury Department (Sirota, 2006)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/the-paulson-payoff-at-the_b_24379.html

[Top Cat]

75. Damn straight.... We have suffered enough in the last 8 years

[Indenturedebtor]

78. Damn spanky. Throw in some monopoly busting while you're at it

This too big to fail nonsense is a big part of the problem.

[bean fidhleir]

83. Notice that ordinary people will still have to pay. He should be demanding

that the wealthy alone do the paying, if necessary beggaring the ones who produced the mess (including the politicians who voted to deregulate). Only if completely stripping the malefactors of their wealth isn't enough should ordinary people get stuck with any part of the check.

But that's not what he's advocating. He's doing the usual, with a slight genuflection toward people's righteous anger. But basically we will end up paying, and the crooks will end up walking.

[earth mom]

85. Wow, I'm surprised. I thought all of Congress would be behind this.

Maybe Congress will finally kick those fucking robber baron economic terrorists to the fucking curb once and for all.

But I'm not holding my breath. :argh:

[screembloodymurder]

86. Now that's leadership.

Tell Paulson to stick the plan up his ass. The adults are in charge now.

[JerseygirlCT]

87. Good. These guys cannot be trusted with a blank check

Haven't they already shown that pretty convincingly?

[pleah]

89. K&R

[AzDar]

90. Kick...

:kick:

[LatteLibertine]

92. I say

cut the strings on those golden parachutes. People should not profit from this mess.

[tekisui]

93. Good! He is giving a major econmic speech at 1:00 today.

[Romulox]

94. Guarantee that Austan Goolsbee and Jason Furman will convince him to back the bailout.

He's surrounded by rightwing economists sympathetic to Wall Street. He'll drop his opposition after a perfunctory complaint or two...

[Oskie]

96. Support..call Dems, here's the numbers. Take action...

CALL them NOW-- show your support! Don't just sit there. Reid: 202.224.3542 Pelosi: 202.225.4965 Schumer:202.224.6542 Google for others.

Congress must HEAR from us and know we want Oversight & transparency, mortgage help for homeowners, no golden parachute/executive pay, & to include a stimulus package for average citizens. The assistant I spoke to said they pay attention to phone calls!! (Need more info on the bailout go to Huffington Post). Send to all Dems...MAKE THE CALLS.

[tom_paine]

98. Hooray! Swing those rhetorical fists, Obama! Hit 'em HARD!

We have the TRUTH on our side and damn if that doesn't make for a propaganda-shattering punch to the National Consciousness!

I have been saying that for YEARS, nothing less than a full-scale punch right through the Wall of the Bushie False Reality Bubble is excruciatingly long overdue.

This is does not yet rise to that level, but DAMN if it isn't a FINE start.

K & fucking R!!!!!

:toast:

[Tutankhamun]

99. McCain didn't even have the presence of mind to play the Repub golden oldies.

"Blame Clinton"

"It's all Al Qaeda's fault"

"It's all Obama's fault"

"Time to bomb brown paople (bomb bomb Iran)"

"Don't attack American (banking institutions') patriotism"

"Sarah Palin is a hottie"

"You're sexist!"

"Stop calling our spokesmodel a pig"

"Don't question a former POW"

"I'll talk about it in a Fox News exclusive"

"Show me the love (and appropriate level of deference)"

"Go fuck yourself"

And so much more! Call now! This can be yours for only hundreds of billions of dollars on approved credit.

[SmokingJacket]

101. Damn, he's good. nt

[mcollier]

103. How can you validate these are Obama's Positions

I need proof.


Also, This imo warrants re-posting:

**** WARNING!!! -- Only click these links if you want to see how far down the rabbit hole goes.

One Q - U - A - D - R - I - L - L - I - O - N DOLLARS

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2817995.stm

http://www.freemarketnews.com/Linked-Commentary.asp?nid=9646

http://www.opednews.com/articles/IT-S-THE-DERIVATIVES-STUP-by-Ellen-Brown-080918-354.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_security


WARNING!!! -- Only click these links if you want to see how far down the rabbit hole goes.

[Naturalist]

104. NO CHECK EVER FOR THESE CROOKS. CHECK ONLY FOR AMERICANS WHO NEED HELP

If the American People with their Representation fail to arrest all crooks involved with this scam that has been going on for who knows how long, the Dollar and all Credibility will go down the tubes. All Foreign Investors will pull out of the American Market and your 401k's will be worthless. It needs to happen now. A statement that we intend to get to the bottom of what has happened and that all crooks will be jailed. Without that no amount of money for bailouts or loans will do anything.

This is what he said "Mr. Paulson is resisting efforts to limit the pay of executives whose firms participate in the program and plans to fight it "hard," according to a person familiar with the matter. He fears that provision would render the program moot, since many firms might choose not to participate." Can you believe this? I am more than xxxxx! I will not stand by and let this happen calmly. These thieves need to be in jail now!

Look if this is truly about Businesses and Future Homeowners being able to get loans then Start a new agency that will loan the money to those who need it if they qualify instead of giving it to Businesses that have managed poorly. Since we now own Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac why not make Fannie Mae for homes and Freddie Mac for businesses and those two use the TRILLION DOLLARS for loans. No BAILOUTS for Businesses. Loans Yes Bailouts NO if they qualify!!!!!!!. BAILOUT HOMEOWNERS that need the help if they qualify ONLY. You got to think faster than these crooks people!!!!

[Ganja Ninja]

110. Don't forget to attach wage and compensation limits for the ..

bank executives that caused this. They should work for minimum wage until their banks are returned to profitability and the loans are paid back. And If they try to quit and walk away they should go straight to jail.

[Swamp Rat]

111. k&r

[redqueen]

115. I love how reasonable and simple those are.

Excellent. :)

[vanderBeth]

120. YEAH! k&r!

:kick:

[dudewheresmycountry]

122. SO IT'S TRUE

Obama, is standing up and looking out for the America people and the media will cover this, while McCain is trying to cover for Graham who is the cause of this mess..... Watch as Obama approval rating hits the 60% mark..... Just love this.....

[TBUSA]

123. Reduce the mortgage payments of good 30 yr holders to

4% . Let the failing bond holders manage these mortgages. That would give them capital to invest, the 30yr fixed crowd would have somr discretionary income to put into the economy, and ARM investors could refile for the 4% qualifications.
The failing companies could stay in business, responsible mortgage holders would be rewarded and some less fortunate folks could find better circumstances.

[mcollier]

125. DO SOMETHING!!!!

WRITE YOUR FEDERAL SENATE AND CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES.... THESE MESSAGES MUST BE COMMUNICATED TO THEM...


https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

[The Woodpecker]

126. Average taxpayers just don't get it at all

They think that the financial industry is in crisis because they have lost all this money. But they don't ask, nor does anyone else ask, who these financial companies lost all that money to! It's a disgrace. A farce.

Money doesn't evaporate. Money lost by one is money gained by another. Just like in poker, one player loses while another player wins. Money in the financial markets has not been lost, has not become evaporated. It has been shifted to others who made huge profits.

Now these financial institutions are crying to us, the tax payer, complaining that because they lost in their huge 'financial poker game' that we need to give them 700,000,000,000 to make them whole again so they can 'stay in the game'.

Screw em all! They should be going back to their cronies who they lost all this money to and ask THEM for a loan to stay in the game.

A dollar is never lost when making bets. It is only shifted to another who is a dollar richer. These Wall St. idiots have made huge bets that they couldn't cover and now they want us the TAXPAYER to pay off their debts so they can continue on with their normal lives as if they never made these bets.

SCREW EM ALL!

I'm not as a TAXPAYER willing to carry tens of thousands of additional debt for my family so I can GIVE these idiots a free ride with no consequences. They made their bed so let them lay in it. When they were making billions and billions in profits over the last decades. When they awarded themselves billions and billions in bonuses over the last decades I don't remember these fools 'loaning' me a few bucks to put food on my families table when I was out of work and struggling. I don't remember these fools helping me out when I couldn't pay my hospital bills for my sons catastrophic injuries in a car accident.

Now they want me to pay for their mistakes?

NO NO NO NO NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!