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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:54 AM
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I HUGELY disapprove of this ongoing 'bailout'
Which will affect his nation for GENERATIONS. Any suggestions on how to evidence my disapproval? That might actaully contribue to stopping this madness?

This 'bail-out' isn't a solution, it's only adding gasoline to the fire.

I 'm not 'buying into' adding more gasoline, won't do it.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:02 AM
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1. What if they attach to the bailout repeal of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act
and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000?

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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:27 AM
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2. Well, I asked for - and you gave me - the links on another thread
....I haven't had time to actually READ them, and mebbe wikipedia isn't 100% correct, but nevermind......


RUSH....RUSH.....RUSH.......

...sign those paper w/o lookin'/readin'/understandin'.....b/c 99.9% of PEOPLE and LEGISLATORS 'do' - that's not 'good enough' for me.
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samuraiguppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:35 AM
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3. you could protest by not paying taxes
anymore. If we all did it--there would be no way to prosecute all of us.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:49 AM
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4. You could protest by calling for massive poverty and starvation.
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 03:50 AM by zlt234
Luckily, people like you will be ignored by Congress. I guess this is why we have a representative democracy: representatives are not ignorant of the economic consequences of doing nothing. Representatives don't want starvation to be rampant.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:59 AM
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5. this is a false choice
Bailing out Wall Street and "doing nothing" are not the only two alternatives. It is highly deceptive to present it that way, and you do people an enormous disservice.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 04:13 AM
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8. Then what do you propose we do?
I'm sure Paul Krugman and all the other economists analyzing this would love to hear your proposal.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 04:20 AM
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9. oh no you don't
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 04:21 AM by Two Americas
It is not up to me to provide "alternatives." I challenged your attempt at presenting this as an either/or - two and only two choices, all or nothing. Defend that or withdraw it, don't switch the burden onto others.

Many alternatives to the plan the administration is trying to force on us are out there. If you are sincere and are not aware of them, you don't even need to Google. Just watch the posts people are making right here.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:56 AM
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15. Like Atrios says to jackass stupid posts like this...
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2008_09_21_archive.html#6657433867278874680

"I think everyone who reads this blog who's American, first thing on Monday morning, needs to call their Representatives and Senators and say: No. Blank. Checks. For. Crooks.

Be as polite as you can be and don't use bad words. Personally, this injunction may limit the duration of my calls to under a thirtieth of a second, or shorter.

TO CLARIFY. Look, right now the choice is, Bush's Plan, or Something Else. Kill Bush's Plan now, worry about Something Else later."
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:50 AM
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14. You think that isn't go to happen anyway?
This bailout isn't going to do a thing to help the economy; it'll hurt it by driving down the value of the dollar again. Higher inflation, more people out of work.....

It'll do wonders for the stock market though. If you're an investor you can do your happy dance on the ashes of this country.
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 04:09 AM
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6. Debt - 596 Trillion Derivatives - 58 Trillion Credit Default Swaps - 2.5 Trillion Credit Card
Agreed!

What is 700B gonna do but provide golden parachutes for some of Bush's cronies?
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 04:12 AM
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7. Call your Congresscritters
All of them and let them know you do not want them to pass this new bill. We need to fill up their voice mails and keep their office staff busy answering our calls.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 04:29 AM
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10. Billions for Bailouts! Who Pays?
The current financial crisis facing our country has been caused by the extreme right-wing economic policies pursued by the Bush administration. These policies, which include huge tax breaks for the rich, unfettered free trade and the wholesale deregulation of commerce, have resulted in a massive redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the very wealthy.

The middle class has really been under assault. Since President Bush has been in office, nearly 6 million Americans have slipped into poverty, median family income for working Americans has declined by more than $2,000, more than 7 million Americans have lost their health insurance, over 4 million have lost their pensions, foreclosures are at an all time high, total consumer debt has more than doubled, and we have a national debt of over $9.7 trillion dollars.

While the middle class collapses, the richest people in this country have made out like bandits and have not had it so good since the 1920s. The top 0.1 percent now earn more money than the bottom 50 percent of Americans, and the top 1 percent own more wealth than the bottom 90 percent. The wealthiest 400 people in our country saw their wealth increase by $670 billion while Bush has been president. In the midst of all of this, Bush lowered taxes on the very rich so that they are paying lower income tax rates than teachers, police officers or nurses.

Now, having mismanaged the economy for eight years as well as having lied about our situation by continually insisting, "The fundamentals of our economy are strong," the Bush administration, six weeks before an election, wants the middle class of this country to spend many hundreds of billions on a bailout. The wealthiest people, who have benefited from Bush's policies and are in the best position to pay, are being asked for no sacrifice at all. This is absurd. This is the most extreme example that I can recall of socialism for the rich and free enterprise for the poor.

In my view, we need to go forward in addressing this financial crisis by insisting on four basic principles:

(1) The people who can best afford to pay and the people who have benefited most from Bush's economic policies are the people who should provide the funds for the bailout. It would be immoral to ask the middle class, the people whose standard of living has declined under Bush, to pay for this bailout while the rich, once again, avoid their responsibilities. Further, if the government is going to save companies from bankruptcy, the taxpayers of this country should be rewarded for assuming the risk by sharing in the gains that result from this government bailout.

Specifically, to pay for the bailout, which is estimated to cost up to $1 trillion, the government should:

a) Impose a five-year, 10 percent surtax on income over $1 million a year for couples and over $500,000 for single taxpayers. That would raise more than $300 billion in revenue;

b) Ensure that assets purchased from banks are realistically discounted so companies are not rewarded for their risky behavior and taxpayers can recover the amount they paid for them; and

c) Require that taxpayers receive equity stakes in the bailed-out companies so that the assumption of risk is rewarded when companies' stock goes up.



(2) There must be a major economic recovery package which puts Americans to work at decent wages. Among many other areas, we can create millions of jobs rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and moving our country from fossil fuels to energy efficiency and sustainable energy. Further, we must protect working families from the difficult times they are experiencing. We must ensure that every child has health insurance and that every American has access to quality health and dental care, that families can send their children to college, that seniors are not allowed to go without heat in the winter, and that no American goes to bed hungry.

(3) Legislation must be passed which undoes the damage caused by excessive de-regulation. That means reinstalling the regulatory firewalls that were ripped down in 1999. That means re-regulating the energy markets so that we never again see the rampant speculation in oil that helped drive up prices. That means regulating or abolishing various financial instruments that have created the enormous shadow banking system that is at the heart of the collapse of AIG and the financial services meltdown.

(4) We must end the danger posed by companies that are "too big too fail," that is, companies whose failure would cause systemic harm to the U.S. economy. If a company is too big to fail, it is too big to exist. We need to determine which companies fall in this category and then break them up. Right now, for example, the Bank of America, the nation's largest depository institution, has absorbed Countrywide, the nation's largest mortgage lender, and Merrill Lynch, the nation's largest brokerage house. We should not be trying to solve the current financial crisis by creating even larger, more powerful institutions. Their failure could cause even more harm to the entire economy.

Bernie Sanders
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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 07:09 AM
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11. You know the guys that just ran out the
back door so we wouldn't catch them and kill them? Well, they just ran in the front door saying they are going to save us.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:43 AM
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12. HA! Good one and too true!
:thumbsup:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:48 AM
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13. So do Democrats... so far at least....
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