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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:29 AM
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I WANT REVENGE
I'm not too savvy about economic matters, but even an idiot like me does a better job managing money than the screw-ups who created this mess. I have made some bad financial decisions in the past that created a big pile of debt. But I took responsibility for it, and with the help of a good and supportive credit counseling agency, paid it all back in 5 years. I've started saving money, keeping a very minimal credit card balance (0% intro rate) that i can pay off in full at any time, and maintain a good credit rating.

I'm a financial idiot, an HONEST financial idiot, who worked hard to pay off debt, have put off the pursuit of the "American dream" of home ownership till I can really afford it. Like so many other DU'ers, I've done all the right things. But here we are today, paying the price for the mistakes of self-proclaimed financial experts, many of them crooks in suits. We've been screwed by the stupid greedy irresponsible vicious piranhas on Wall Street and in the Bush administration, and many in Congress beholden to those piranhas, not the people who elected them.

Contrary to what sophisticated financial experts would say, I believe that wealth is a fixed quantity. It's like the first law of thermodynamics, energy can be neither created nor destroyed. Money, as a representative of wealth, can be manipulated to look like it's increasing and decreasing via inflation, recession, or whatever fancy terms economists have concocted. But as long as we live on this one planet, our wealth is ultimately restricted by the resources that are available to us.

Following that simple logic, we should recognize that the cascade of events that have led to the "losses" incurred by these big sophisticated financial institutions are not really losses. The money did not simply disappear. It's shifted hands; a few people have become obscenely wealthy at the expense of the rest of us.


We need to acknowledge that there is no such thing as a free market. As long as dishonesty is a human characteristic, regulations are necessary to protect people who play by the rules.

We need to make the people who have become suspiciously abundantly wealthy, through cheating and stealing in the guise of complex financial transactions, accountable for their actions. If we do not do this, history will keep repeating itself.



Having said that .... I WANT REVENGE.

I WANT THE PEOPLE WHO CREATED THIS MESS VIA LAX OVERSIGHT, IGNORANCE, STUPIDITY, AND ARROGANCE -- IN THE POLITICAL AND FINANCIAL SECTOR -- CALLED OUT AND HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

I WANT BOUNTY HUNTERS TO HUNT DOWN THE LOW-LIFE SCUMS WHO MADE BILLIONS BY THEIR SHADY DEALINGS AND MANIPULATIONS OF THE MARKET, SO THEY MAY BE PROSECUTED FOR FRAUD.

I WANT THE SUPER-RICH WHO BECAME ABNORMALLY SIGNIFICANTLY RICHER IN THE PAST 5 YEARS TO BE, AT THE VERY LEAST, AUDITED BY THE MEANEST BLOOD-THIRSTY IRS AUDITORS, AND IF WARRANTED, DRAINED OF THEIR FINANCIAL ASSETS TO PAY DOWN OUR NATIONAL DEBT.

(add to our wishlist, I'm sure there's more)


I realize that many people, working stiffs like me, made irresponsible choices as they got caught up in living impossible dreams made possible by persuasive scam artists. They need to take responsibility for their actions, and start over. I've done it, and believe me, you'll emerge a better person for it. But some of them have taken so big a hit that they may never be able to recover on their own. For those people, I hope we can, as a community and country, find it in our hearts to help them get back on their feet.

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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:32 AM
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1. I still want a country that has a rule of law. If traders, speculators, CPAs, etc. made their money
without having broken the EXISTING laws, then they are off the hook (just make sure they pay their taxes).
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:34 AM
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3. agreed. nt
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An Intellectual Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:33 AM
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2. I'll take a more moderate position: just take their money!
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:35 AM
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4. Dear Wall Street
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:46 AM
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11. HA! Love it. I would add: Dear Wall Street Criminals: Where will you hide when the revolution comes?
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:56 AM
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14. Behind Armed Guards
...with more & bigger guns than the revolutionaries?

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 12:46 PM
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16. They will need a hell of a lot of them. And those guards will need to be very loyal.
They won't be the first looters to be forced to flee the country, or into bunkers.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:37 AM
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5. Awesome post. Please check out something I posted a few minutes ago
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:44 AM
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9. i like it ... sounds a lot like COMMON SENSE!
Tho' I have to admit that if I can get a car loan at a low interest rate, with the plan to keep that car for as long as it runs and do regular maintenance on it, I'd do it. My Corolla was paid off under 5 years with a low-interest loan, and it's well maintained. It will last me another 4-5 years at the very least. So paying a small amount in interest up-front for a known quantity (a brand new car with no "history") was worth it for me. But it would be nice to pay cash in full for a car, as a close friend of mine did for his Acura.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:55 AM
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13. I'm sure you're going to do well. You sound like your head is on straight. BTW, speaking of cars...
did you know that if you pay cash for a new car that you have the option of paying no collison when you insure it? Now it's risky, yes, to skip collision on your policy, especially the first couple years, but after 3 years it doesn't make a lot of sense to keep paying such exorbitant fees for collision in many cases. OTOH, if you take a loan, collision is mandatory. The other thing...if you wait and pay cash for a car, you won't be tempted to blow money on other loans for expensive items. After a 5 or 10 years, you will really start seeing a huge difference in your personal equity you can build up, and you'll be driving new vehicles and paying as you go.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:39 AM
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6. You aren't the only one
This is historic, and the rules are changing as one man sees fit. Last night I decided to go to a Seattle coffee shop for a break. I was sitting there, and I overheard a couple of guys next to me planning a murder. I’m not kidding. I listened intently to see if I could get any details. Finally, I hear Paulson’s name. I turned around and looked at the guys. One looked up and could see I was a bit startled. He laughed and joked about it, trying to explain who Paulson was and why it was the only way they could protect their money. Now the three of them were trying to explain that it was just a joke. It was pretty funny, but it was a sad commentary on how this man is destroying lives.

http://realestateandhousing2.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=50



And the thievery keeps going on. Executives of these financial firms are still going to receive multi-million dollar bonuses.

Paulson is evil.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:41 AM
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7. K&R
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:44 AM
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8. There won't be a single investigation or persecution. n/t
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:45 AM
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10. Revenge: Federal Prison (along side murderers and rapists) for ALL executives/ceos involved.
Life sentences - without any chance at parole.

Or nooses. Take your pick.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:47 AM
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12. In other words, it's the Accountability, Stupid.
That's all we hear about when it applies to us; accountability. Yet, when it comes to our government, which is like a deck stacked with Bush cronies, accountability goes out the window. I see the accountability comments Chimpy made ONLY APPLY TO US.

You are so right.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:59 AM
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15. There's a lot of that going around today K&R
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 01:17 PM
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17. K&R
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:30 PM
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18. Completely agree with the wishlist - am adding a special category of working stiffs
Edited on Fri Sep-19-08 02:35 PM by DeschutesRiver
those that were beyond irresponsible. Every root of this evil visited on our economy needs to be hunted down and impoverished.

I scraped, I saved, I fucking didn't do jack, but had to listen to some of my acquaintances/former friends/neighbors (both working class, middle class, and new money wealth where they stupidly think "debt" is wealth, laughs on them now) laugh at the fact that I must be broke (far from it) because I didn't have the newest truck, or toy or handbag or you name it. These morons took out loans THEY KNEW THEY COULDN'T AFFORD if even one tiny thing went wrong (actually, bunches of them did liar loans and couldn't afford half of the payments required from the get go). They used their fleeting home equity to do what? Save? Invest? Add to their homes values? College fund for their kids? Fuck no. They encumbered their very living quarters with debt obligations they couldn't pay even if the market hadn't gone down so much, for manicures, new cars yearly, meals out 3 times a day, gym club memberships, and the list goes on. Trinkets.

The good working class people I know and sprang from acted responsibly, even taking hits financially when real emergencies like medical arose. I truly hope every lasting fucking hairdresser and heavy equip operator (picked at random from examples I know personally) who thought it fun to "flip" homes without any knowledge of how to do (rather just relying on the easy credit and crap building skills of the lowest paid labor they could find, since they had no skills of their own before embarking on "flippin"), along with those working stiffs who heloced up and whose foreclosed homes are dragging all the scrimper/savers down, go to bloody hell, right along with the billionaire bastards.

I hope to see my working class folks who did all the right things, still in their homes, with enough heat to not freeze this winter, enough food to not starve, some kind of work in whatever industries are not deciminated or blown asunder, and with their good habits and attitudes intact - and able to help those even less fortunate, because that is what my kind of working stiffs do.

The other kind of stiff I hope to see out in a god damned tent, freezing their asses off, and thinking about how they can pull themselves up out of the hole they arrogantly and willingly dug, without a single handout or dime from those who didn't act foolish. I don't give anyone a pass on this stupidity, nor a ticket away from dammnation just because they aren't billionaires. They did shit that I never would do, because they were greedy and didn't care if you or I got stuck with the bill later. How could I possibly absolve this attitude, just because the person is a working stiff doing it to me and you? Nope.

But you what will happen - the good workers will get reamed far more than the bad asses. It is just how I've seen the world work, and things weren't even this dire.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 12:33 AM
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19. Justice. I want justice
I want them in jail, I want them to pay restitution. I want them to know remorse.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 04:34 AM
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20. Now, now. Suggesting the gallows for criminals will get you on a watchlist.
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