Pentagon ships troops to the US to prepare for civil unrest.

[lonestarnot]

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=7ExEK5yPibLp9S0u%2BTEGbNcxiLSOJnJ6

3rd Infantry's 1st Brigade Combat Team trains for a new dwell-time mission……Helping 'people at home' may become a permanent part of the active Army

The 3rd Infantry Division's 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they're training for the same mission - with a twist - at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command , as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

HERE IS THE KEY PARAGRAPH

…..They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

T…he 1st BCT's soldiers also will learn how to use "the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded," 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

"It's a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they're fielding. They've been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we're undertaking we were the first to get it."

Don't say I didn't warn you.

link appears to be missing. Passed on from mediachannel.org

[cdb]

1. This is some scary stuff...

not like I needed more ammo for my paranoia, but WTF are they planning?

[StopTheNeoCons]

30. google this: "operation garden plot" and do it quick

[Th1onein]

71. Uh oh, we're in deep shit now....

http://www.uhuh.com/control/garden.htm

Annex A, section B of Operation Garden Plot defines tax protesters, militia groups, religious cults, and general anti-government dissenters as Disruptive Elements. This calls for the deadly force to be used against any extremist or dissident perpetrating any and all forms of civil disorder.

Under section D, a Presidential Executive Order will authorize and direct the Secretary of Defense to use the Armed Forces of the United States to restore order.

2 TAB A APPENDIX 1 TO ANNEX S USAF CIVIL DISTURBANCE PLAN 55-2 EXHIBIT POR:SGH, JCS Pub 6, Vol 5, AFR 160-5 hereby provides for America's military and the National Guard State Partnership Program to join with United Nations personal in said operations. This links selected U.S. National Guard units with the Defense Ministries of "Partnership For Peace." This was done in an effort to provide military support to civil authorities in response to civil emergencies.

Under Presidential Decision Directive No. 25, this program serves to cement people to relationships between the citizens of the United States, and the global military of the UN establishments of the emerging democracies of Central and Eastern European countries. This puts all of our National Guardsmen under the direct jurisdiction of the United Nations.

Section 3:
This plan could be implemented under any of the following situation:

(1) Spontaneous civil disturbances which involve large numbers of persons and/or which continue for a considerable period of time, may exceed the capacity of local civil law enforcement agencies to suppress. Although this type of activity can arise without warning as a result of sudden, unanticipated popular unrest (past riots), it may also result from more prolonged dissidence.

[dgibby]

36. This is very OMINOUS! K&R

I posted on the other thread about this yesterday, this needs lots of attention. Everything is in place now for a complete neocon takeover of this gov't. All that is needed is an excuse to declare martial law, cancel elections, suspend Congress. It won't take much, an economic crisis, natural disasters, attack on Iran, problems with Russia, or (God forbid) another 9/11. This is not good!:nuke:

[Billy Burnett]

2. A working link would help. Can you post one?

Thanks :hi:

[MadrasT]

14. Here you go...

http://www.newsdissector.com/blog/2008/09/18/pentagon-ships-troops-to-the-us-to-prepare-for-civil-unrest/

[lonestarnot]

43. Thanks MadrasT

[Hangingon]

56. Might as well get it from US Northern Com

http://www.northcom.mil/News/2008/091508.html

It is on the right column.

[kas125]

3. Here's a link to the article in

Army Times - http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

[Subdivisions]

4. Another thread on this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4026479&mesg_id=4026479

[babylonsister]

5. TerraTerraTerra! The question is, if it comes, who will be responsible for it? nt

[readmoreoften]

55. This isn't about fighting terrorists. It's about fighting us. "Opposition groups" are the enemy.

Per "The Young Turks" during Ike and Wall Street, Bush signed an executive order allowing federal agents to investigate anyone they believed to be involved in drugs or terrorism with no oversight whatsoever. Individual agents can now investigate anyone or any group on a whim. They can interrogate friends, neighbors, coworkers, bosses, family. They can do physical surveillance of your home. And there is no longer any oversight to the infiltration of government opposition groups. With EO51, anti-war protestors will be subject to confiscation of property (explicitly.)

Fat lady singing and all that.

[lynnertic]

99. SO. who's got the goods on a video camera that uploads a direct feed

to a remote location?

I think they want our cameras and cellphones.

[dixiegrrrrl]

6. martial law, here we come

jay-sus.

You know that by now we have learned to hear past the Orwellian double speak.

"Consequence Management Response Force" ????!!!


“It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”



It is so indicative of the current regime that I cannot find any positive slant on this plan.

One step closer to my fear of elections being canceled.

[readmoreoften]

57. Martial law, here we are.

I'm in Texas. It's martial law right now. The RNC protests? Martial law. New surveillance deregulation (no controls on physical surveillance)? Martial law.

[shadowknows69]

7. This is some old bullshit here

These guys are front line Iraq troops. Stone cold killers. You CANNOT put them in a peaceful civilian setting and expect them to be able to adjust after years of being in a hot zone. They'll be on a hair trigger in whatever situation they're put into and bad things will happen.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

8. TALK ABOUT MAL-ADJUSTED PEOPLE, READ MIDDLE COLUMN

OF THIS http://www.armytimes.com/

[shadowknows69]

11. I used to drive cab on a base

A lot of these guys really hate each other back home. The rivalry between units is amazing. You wonder how any of them can fight together but they are tight with their battle buddies. I take nothing away from the bravery of our soldiers but this war is screwing them all up in record numbers and the army doesn't give them time to decompress. A ton of guys where I am get in trouble. Robberies, drugs, murder, suicides, you name it. While I was driving taxi a few times there were mysterious lock downs of the base due to a soldier going batshit and hurting someone or going awol. Couple of them took off with a humvee once.

The real interesting times will start when we finally get them home. hundreds of thousands of them are going to need help.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

12. REPUBLICANS DESTROY ALL THEY TOUCH

Robberies, drugs, murder, suicides, you name it. While I was driving taxi a few times there were mysterious lock downs of the base due to a soldier going batshit and hurting someone or going awol. Couple of them took off with a humvee once.

[shadowknows69]

13. A soldier robbed one of our cabbies at gunpoint

Unfortunately for the soldier the driver was crazier than he was and ran after him and ended up chasing him into a building and watching the exits until the cops came. Crazy fucker. I was robbed once and I played the victim and am not ashamed about it. You really don't know how you're going to react until you have that cold metal against your head. Didn't piss or shit myself at least lol.

[NeedleCast]

19. Robberies, drugs, murder, suicides,

These are problems common only to soldiers?

[shadowknows69]

23. DId I say that?

I'm saying there's an increase in soldiers committing these crimes.

[NeedleCast]

27. Evidence?

Do you have any evidence to back up that claim? Other than suicide rate, I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that criminal activity among soldiers is increasing, although I'm not discouting that it might be true.

[shadowknows69]

28. I don't have time to go clip stories from my local paper from the last 5 years sorry

I was making an observation about where I live. It's not hard to count an increase in major crimes around here because as a rule they don't happen very much.

[NeedleCast]

32. Fair Enough

and I'm not discounting your personal experience but some of that increase in major crime could be attributed to the downturn of the economy as well, don't you think?

As a veteran of combat zones myself, MY personal experience has been that most combat vets are some of the calmest people I know. If I had a choice of who I'd want around me in panic inducing situation, I'd pick combat vets every time.

[shadowknows69]

33. Make no mistake, and thank you for your service, I have nothing but respect for most troops

But I met some guys who you could just tell weren't going to be able to readjust well. Met a lot of them hung up on hard drugs too and heavy drinkers. I learned more about what combat vets go through than I ever wanted to believe me. They would open up to me a lot and tell me some nightmarish things.

[Joey Liberal]

82. I love our troops, I'm a veteran too, but

I would cut the throat of any Soldier trying to "control" me.

[Wilber_Stool]

83. I plaqyed Army at Fort Riley in Kansas

in 1970. You did not leave your barracks alone at night on payday. We had double guards stationed inside and out. We carried mattock handles for protection. It wasn't unusual to have two or three guys killed during robberies. And this was just on Custer Hill. The most deaths we ever had on a week end, iirc, was 18. Drunk driving and drunk drowning in Milford Reservoir. We made the national news that time. Vets are crazy mother fuckers.

[NeedleCast]

21. Wow...

that might be the most discrediting thing I've ever seen anyone say about members of the military who have served in combat zones.

Ex-soldiers have been put in peacful civilian settings for a long, long time. The vast majority of them never cause the blood-bath that you seem to be expecting.

[shadowknows69]

26. Hope you're right

If I offended anyone in the military on this board it was not my intention. Only my personal observations.

[WhiteTara]

9. getting ready for the theft of 2008 election?

sure is coincidental!

[Hugabear]

10. That was my first thought as well

Can't get any more obvious than that. They're planning to STEAL the election, they know that people nationwide will be PISSED and will be taking to the streets.

NOT THIS TIME.

[WhiteTara]

18. what will you do?

I am torn between taking to the streets - maybe going to Washington to take the streets or packing as fast as I can and getting the hell out of here

[Hugabear]

53. I am willing to participate in a series of nationwide strikes

Anything to help.

[WhiteTara]

87. what would you strike against?

[Hugabear]

101. Would you prefer I use the term "walk-out" as opposed to "strike"?

How about if most Americans simply walked off their job for a day.

[CrispyQ]

106. One day isn't going to do any good.

We'll never implement change by not buying or not working for one day. You can't starve the beast in a day, or even a week. You have to commit your life to it. Pay off all of your debt & don't buy anything you don't need. I'm afraid by the time enough Americans are feeling enough pain to sign up for this plan, the beast will have devoured us.

[KathieG]

52. Call me cynical, but that was my thought as well...I'm seeing so many signs of the repugs getting

their ducks in a row for a steal, and I don't like it one bit.

[dajoki]

107. Too coincidental!

Try googling "directive 51" and all this will add up. Its an executive order signed by Bush to keep "continuity of government" in case of natural disaster or terrorist attack and could even allow Bush to "call off election".

[Winterblues]

15. Helping 'people at home' may become a permanent part of the active Army

Pretty sure that was why the National Guard was created but Republicans/Bush* have pretty much destroyed that branch of service.

[Taverner]

16. Doesn't the Posse Comitus Act stop this?

[Hestia]

17. Did * put Posse comitus act null and void with Katrina? Pretty much took

over the Nat'l Guard from the govenors.

[biermeister]

24. it was overturned in the john warner defense act

[readmoreoften]

59. Oh that's long gone. It's the King's army now.

[WhiteTara]

20. Of course there is that pesky law about

the military not operating INSIDE the U.S. borders. That's what the National Guard is all about. They have really mixed up and messed up the roles of the various departments of the fed and state government.

[tuckessee]

22. Will DU'ers still support the troops.....

....when they're giving Americans the same dose of medicine they've been dosing out to Third Worlders for the last fifty years?

[NeedleCast]

37. Building dams, helping irrigate land, creating infrastructure

those bastards!

(The American solider...not just for killing people anymore).

[tuckessee]

39. Great slogan. Maybe we'll see it on billboards soon.

Of course we won't see many Iraqis, Afghanis or Vietnamese giving product endorsements.

edit - to add left out word in title

[NeedleCast]

41. You might be surprised

As someone who served in Afghanistan, I can say that there are a lot of people in that country who thanked me for various things. Plenty who cursed me too...but you can't just look at one side of the story without giving credit for the others.

I was responsible for killing some people in Afghanistan. I was also responsible for teaching some women who had been completely repressed by the Taliban how to drive. For helping several villages de-stump or stone fields with our heavy vehicles. For helping dig wells. I could tell hundreds of stories of soldiers who put themselves at personal risk to save a stranger or to help someone just because it was the right thing to do.

When you only look at one aspect of what the military does, you do it's members a disservice.

[tuckessee]

42. It's hard not to focus on one aspect....

...when that one aspect is millions of people killed for no good reason at all.

Maybe I just have too much empathy for those who die needless deaths. I should just say "f- 'em. At least the survivors got few wells dug".

[elehhhhna]

46. are you actually Elizabeth Hasselback?

LOL ya sound like her.

[GrannyK]

48. Even at the risk of being attacked I

can't help but respond to this.

We have a military industrial corporate society that glorifies war, promotes nationalism and consistently transfers wealth from the bottom to the top, even as we speak.

The "troops" are, for the most part, children, who have been programed with team mentality of "us and them" so that they and the rest of this culture will be ready and willing to pick up the sword to defend our corporate masters who are intent on exploiting which ever nations resources is wanted, at any given time and place on this planet.

Our children are taught from Kindergarten onward not to hit, and to be kind to each other. However, they are also taught consumerism, competition and the winner go the spoils. We teach them to glorify the rich and famous and denigrate the less fortunate.

Our children are raised in a basic "Christian" culture that teaches that murder is a crime, even a sin - except when Uncle Sam commands them to commit murder on a massive scale.

Then we send them to hell to kill or be killed, for extended periods of time and think they will not have suffered some sort of psychosis and disconnection from basic human decency.

I live near a large military installation. The city that grew up around that installation experiences a high crime rate, a high family violence rate and a high murder rate.

We are in fact facilitating the creation of mercenaries who will transfer from the established national military to for profit army's who will serve the highest bidder.

We live in a truly sick society. Instead of defending it we should be seeking ways to change it and heal it.

[glitch]

64. Well said and welcome to DU Granny K.

You will probably get attacked for it but now there are two of us. :hi:

[ClayZ]

91. Yay Granny K. Make it three of us!

[calimary]

92. Four. More, actually. Welcome to DU!

I, too, don't know how you can stick our precious kids in that kind of hell hole over there for extended and repeated exposures and not expect them to come home damaged.

We owe our troops, and our veterans much more than that.

[Not Sure]

88. Agreed 100 percent, GrannyK n/t

[arcadian]

103. Make that Five, GrannyK

They will have to come through me to attack you.

[readmoreoften]

60. Then bring in the peace corps or bring back the National Guard. Not the INFANTRY.

We Americans have been managing just fine without soldiers 'helping' on American soil.

[readmoreoften]

61. We already have workers who build bridges and dig wells. We're not a fucking war torn country.

Yet.

[CoffeeCat]

95. Ok, but we're talking about our military....

...controlling protestors and using weapons on them--inside our own country!

For the love of Pete...

No one is disparaging the service of our military personnel overseas.

The entire point of this thread is that the military is being trained
to use weapons on people who dare to protest our government.

You don't see a problem with that?

Your service is commendable, but it's a bit of a red herring in this
discussion.

[arcadian]

102. Get a clue.

They thanked you because they feared you. Building dams, etc? Bullshit. You and I both know that if destroying that dam was deemed essential by the Pentagon you would have blown it up the next day.

[tom_paine]

104. This is all true, and as a fellow vet I do salute you for bringing that aspect of it into

However, the problem here with Iraq that makes it impossible to even give that much consideration is the fact that the reason we are there is as false and unnecessary as those Hitler gave for invading Poland.

If you think it's hyperbole in the least, stop take a deep breath and think about it. As yourself:

Does the fact that neither Hitler's claimed Polish assault on the German radio station as well as Saddam's WMDs, never existed, speak of some sort of moral-kinship, or is it out of line to think so (you have to tell me why if you tale this position, please)?

Who's presentation was more false, Von Ribbentrop's breathless account of the phony attack on the German Radio Station, etc., or Colin Powell's breathless and cartoon-filled account of 500 liters of botulinum toxin, 200 KG of weaponized anthrax, etc.?

Or could they both be considered as equally false?

The reason I bring this up because, in Iraq at least,everything those kind soldiers rebuild, was destroyed basically by those same kind soldiers in an unjust cause that never had to happen in the first place...never had to happen at all.

Like me coming and burning someone's house down in the night. They go through months of stress, hardship, and misery as a result of my actions. Finally, the insurance company (which for the purposes of this analogy, I also own) pays them to repair their house. Then, when I stop by the shelter to drop the huddled family their check, I'm pissed they're not more grateful for my "help".

:rofl:

You see, as always, so much of what a military is doing, how it's perceived and treated at home and in the combat zone, all comes down to two things, which are usually closely related.

1) Is the cause reasonably just and based on reality (as opposed to lies/propaganda)?
2) Do the people want us there?

Now 1 and 2, in all of human history are almost always both in the negative, people being people. Notable exceptions: the American Revolution and WWII.

As we saw in WWII, when 1 and 2 are on your side, it is both powerful and empowering to liberty. But 1 and 2 are almost never on an aggressor nation's side, and Amerika since 2000 is most definitely an aggressor nation, a rouge nation.

To bring this thing full circle, it is why your point is always welcome to be remembered, otherwise we make villains of people who are largely not villains. But it is also why in this case, with 1 and 2 most definitely NOT on our side, heartwarming stories of soldiers handing out candy bars to kids or rebuilding power stations with the tiny trickle of funds that makes it through the Bushie Obstacle Course of Fraud, Bribes, and Kickbacks, are as irrelevant as stories of the Wehrmacht officers who snuck candy bars and food to starving Polish Children (I'll bet there were a few, statistically it is a certainty).

Because in both cases the kids would not have been hungry or the power station leveled had the Wehrmacht or the Amermacht not made them hungry or leveled the power station with an unjust aggression that never need have happened.

[Suspicious]

105. No one is saying

that soldiers don't put themselves at personal risk or that they're all out of control.

Unfortunately, however, I think we all know what U.S. soldiers are trained to do, whose orders they follow, and what they are capable of (I'm sure we've not been privy to much of the information regarding illegal activities committed by U.S. soldiers while serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I think we can infer somewhat based on past military conflicts and the horror stories that surfaced afterward).

Just one case in point: the two U.S. soldiers (Staff Sgt. Darris J. Dawson and Sgt. Wesley R. Durbin) killed in Iraq a week ago by a fellow soldier who opened fire on them. A quote from Dawson (to his stepmother): "Momma, I'm not so afraid of the enemy. I'm afraid of our young guys over there, because they're so jumpy and quick to shoot." Article

I sure as hell don't ever want to be on the other end of a firearm wielded by an 18 - 24-year-old kid who has just returned stateside from the bowels of Hell with a severe case of PTSD.

[catzies]

66. Will *anyone* still support the troops in your scenario?

Including DUers???

[Uncle Joe]

25. Isn't that primarily the job of the National Guard or are they all overseas in war zones?

I believe in Tinnamen Square they had to bring in Chinese Troops from outside Bejing to fire on the protesters.

[dysfunctional press]

29. american insurgents will make bigger and better ied's than the ones in iraq.

U. S. A! U. S. A! U. S. A!

[StopTheNeoCons]

31. google this: "operation garden plot" and do it quick...

[nc4bo]

76. Whoa. I'm sorry I came in here.

Already had thoughts about (God forgive me) if Obama loses the election what will happen?

If Obama wins, what will happen?

If the financial sector tanks and is DNR, what will happen?

Now I know and this makes what happened to those protesters, those subject to lock downs in their own cities and neighborhoods look like a soccer game.

Sometimes I despise this country for what it's become and I hate the ones who are responsible for doing it.

[Taverner]

34. Keep in mind the original article on mediachannel cites no sources

That doesn't mean it's not true

It just leaves this as "unsubstantiated" until the sources are up.

[tuckessee]

38. Try the Army Times.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

[Taverner]

40. Excellent! Thank you very much

That's what I wanted.

But FTR the page has gone AWOL.

[readmoreoften]

62. Direct link

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

[biermeister]

35. an oldie but a goodie

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL&hw=endgame&sn=001&sc=1000

[kittykitty]

44. Maybe the new weapons Bob Woodward alluded to in his new book.

...but he couldn't talk about them.
"It's a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they're fielding. They've been using pieces of it in Iraq,

[dgibby]

45. google:

Raytheon, active denial system, microwave weapons, DARPA. Very interesting reading-will literally make your blood boil! I can't find the link, but I have read about advanced weapons used to "cook" the target-only used in war theater. I believe I read about it in conjunction with the recent attack on Lebanon, but am not sure. Will keep digging.

[bushmeister0]

47. When the people become the enemy.

"Commander William Adama: There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."

Found this quote at a UK blog which posted this story in Jan of last year.

"An SAS unit is now for the first time permanently based in London on 24-hour standby for counter-terrorist operations, The Times has learnt.
The basing of a unit from the elite special forces regiment "in the metropolitan area" is intended to provide the police with a combat-proven ability to deal with armed terrorists in the capital.

The small unit also includes surveillance specialists and bomb-disposal experts.

Although the Metropolitan Police has its own substantial firearms capability, the fatal shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, the Brazilian electrician who was mistakenly identified as a terrorist bomber on the run, has underlined the need to have military expertise on tap."

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/01/sas_troops_stat.html

Sound familiar?

Operation Garden Plot:

"If any civil disturbance by a resistance group, religious organization, or other persons considered to be non-conformist takes place, under Appendix 3 to Annex B of Plan 55-2 hereby gives all Federal forces total power over the situation if local and state authorities cannot put down said dissenters.

Annex A, section B of Operation Garden Plot defines tax protesters, militia groups, religious cults, and general anti-government dissenters as Disruptive Elements. This calls for the deadly force to be used against any extremist or dissident perpetrating any and all forms of civil disorder."

http://www.uhuh.com/control/garden.htm

Scary stuff.

See Operation Endgame also, a dryrun for detention of masses of Americans. Ollie North's old REX-84 with lipstick.

http://www.visalaw.com/04jun3/15jun304.html

original government link has disappeared. Hmmm . . .

[TahitiNut]

49. One word: Blackwater.

:shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. EO 51... I am betting before the November Elections

DAMN THEM

[JDPriestly]

51. How to avoid this:

Get to know your neighbors. Find common ground. Agree to help each other in emergencies and situations of need. We do that in our neighborhood. We stand by each other. We will never have a situation of civil unrest because we know and trust each other.

[readmoreoften]

63. Absolutely. This is very smart advice. This coupled with the new surveillance EO means DU won't be a

place where we can comiserate on such issues as well. We need to get back to in-person communications.

[marmar]

54. To quote Shaggy from the Scooby Doo cartoons: "Zoinnkks!"

Seriously, what is up? This sounds very scary. Some unprecedented sh*t is going down......

[sakabatou]

58. Kowaii yo...

Scary...

[bluesmail]

65. Step aside. Here it comes. It's MARTIAL LAW

just in time to save the day for the neoliberals/cons! Thank God. I was getting worried.

[bluesmail]

67. Strategically, Sept 29 is a new moon.

Oct 1 is their deployment date. What can happen on a New Moon? Lots of clandestine military ops. This is looking real bad for us.

[grannie4peace]

68. that does not sound good at all

[Laelth]

69. Wow. This is news, and it's terrifying.

Thanks for posting.

:dem:

-Laelth

[sarcasmo]

70. Martial Law knocking at the door.

[autorank]

72. k*r Have these folks not heard that we're broke

The curtain is coming down on the empire of excess.

But this is critical to the maintenance of ruling class so they'll find a way to pay for it.

Good to see you!

[Name removed]

73. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[cliffordu]

74. Belize.......here I come.......

[emilyg]

75. kick

[wildbilln864]

77. we are so screwed! nt

[Duer 157099]

78. Alex Jones has been saying this sort of thing for YEARS now

and everyone likes calling him a nut.

[Joey Liberal]

79. Fuck the 1st Brigade Combat Team

If they try to control Americans, they'll wish they were back in Iraq.

[orleans]

80. where is the part that they need this for the election? n/t

[Piewhacket]

81. OK, NOW its time to PANIC.

FREEK out people.
I can't right now, I'm too freeked out.
Bush isn't planning to leave after all.

The US as a banana republic war zone. The MF are going to
start a riot, make it look like someone's (ie "our") fault, declare marshal
law and cancel elections for the duration of the 'emergency'.

Then they'll dissolve congress, suspend hapeas corpus, and start rounding
up (and murdering) the dissidents (which would include opposition members
of congress, of course). Welcome to the Fourth Reich.

Who's in charge of this insane fucking idea. Quick, arrest them. Try and hang
them as traitors for plotting the violent overthrow of the United States.
Who else is going to stop it? Reed and Pelosi?

This is too far. This is beyond frightening.

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. Habeas has been gone for a while now

and you may want to read on Executive Order 51

Wait, that will freak you even more

[Piewhacket]

98. In what respect, Charlie?

Sorry, I'm a little hard of hearing.
Did you say Executive Order 51, or Area 51?

(the order consolidates many departments FBI etc into the department
of Homeland Security (HS), in other words, the SS. point out anything
else.)

AFAIK it doesn't 'theoretically' change any substantive laws, but
the system of inter-department checks and balances that once protected
us from a police state were dismantled in the interest of
'homeland security', and it has become exceedingly easy to
abuse the police power.

sure that is frightening, and right after the election I intend to
work to 'retire' more fucked up republicans as well as some fucked-up
democrats who seem to think 'fascism' is the new 'democracy' and
'security' is the new 'liberty'. I have a feeling many folks here in
DU feel likewise.

But did you know Obama voted for the FISA bill. Most democrats didn't.
I'm still voting for Obama, the alternative is too insane to imagine,
but damn-me if I won't be calling him out later (after we make damn sure
he wins).

as for Habeas, it has not technically (according to the US Supreme Ct)
been suspended only lawlessly ignored under a discredited theory of
unitary executive. see AFAIK comment above regarding abuse.

[Spritz57]

84. Interesting how the dates coincide with General Petraeus' return to the US!

[Retrograde]

85. Isn't this the National Guard's job?

The National Guard handles crises at home and the Army fights in wars, right? At least that's how it used to be.

[Imagevision]

89. Has anyone seen the YouTube vids about Bush canceling the election?

[dgibby]

90. No, but I'd like to

This is really serious. I was active duty Navy for 22yrs, and believe me, there is no way the military could have been used like this. Look for a false flag op or just the natural reaction people would have if the market totally crashes. There are a lot of new weapons designed for crowd control and I have no doubt they will be used. To paraphrase POGO, the gov't has met the enemy and it is us. So sad and so scary!

[Subdivisions]

96. Links please? Thanks =) n/t

[liberalla]

93. Shit! these GD maniacs are preparing for something bad...

They want us to be scared and compliant. I remember reading about these changes in the definition of disruptors, and in allowing the use of our own military against us. I've seen some of those crowd control weapons on 60 Minutes... and all the other stuff they've done within our own government. All the crap they've been pulling... building up to this election of a new President. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say this is the most important election in my lifetime, and in our country's short history.


Just when it looked like democracy was dead in America, let the history books describe how her citizens overwhelmingly joined together and rose in opposition to the ruling Conservative Criminal Corporatocracy party and evicted the thieving crooks from power!

[wordpix]

94. they're preparing for the ELEC TION they're planning to steal

no doubt in my mind.

[wildbilln864]

97. again....

:kick:

[MadrasT]

100. Another kick the the weekend crew

:kick:

[eppur_se_muova]

108. 'Helping people at home'? How totally Orwellian.

"Hi, I'm from the USArmy, and I'm here to help ... DOWN ON THE GROUND!! GET YOUR FACE ON THE GROUND!! DID I TELL YOU TO MOVE, DOGSHIT? FACE ON THE GROUND!! *punch* *kick* etc etc

OK BOYS LIGHT 'IM UP!!